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MJ Question regards to Jordy Chandler? Iv'e been a MJ fan for years but i have always been curious about this. Ok i have read the GQ article many times and know about the greed of Evan Chandler but does that make MJ automatically innocent? Because his father was greedy, does that mean Jordy was automatically lying? There are parents in this world who would accept the 20 million and avoid a long trial and the kids probably don't want to go through the embarassement of describing all the details in a courtroom.
It seems we have assumed MJ was innocent because Jordy's father was greedy. Yea he was caught on tape saying he would take MJ down, but this still doesn't prove Jordy was lying or MJ is 100% innocent.It only proves his father was selfish and greedy. Many will say if your child was molested you take the man to court and put him in prison. Not all ppl in this world if offered 20 million would do that so be realistic. You have mothers in this world who leave 10 year olds at home while Mommy goes on a date and stays out all night so why would it be unrealistic for a kid to still be telling the truth even though his dad was Greedy? [Edited 8/12/09 14:13pm] | |
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Jordy came out after MJ's death and said the whole thing was a lie, and it was nothing more than an attempt by his father to get money.
If that's true, the question then becomes, why didn't this Evan father guy choose someone else to extort money from? Why MJ? Why then? Perhaps it's a simple case of "Why not?" by Evan Chandler. People will sell their very souls, and children, for money. If Evan truly did make the whole thing up, then it's no real surprise that he used his son to accomplish his goals. | |
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No one can give you a 100% answer because no one knows what happened besides that boy and Michael. I believe that Michael was inappropriate but innocent of child molestation. | |
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ernestsewell said: Jordy came out after MJ's death and said the whole thing was a lie, and it was nothing more than an attempt by his father to get money.
If that's true, the question then becomes, why didn't this Evan father guy choose someone else to extort money from? Why MJ? Why then? Perhaps it's a simple case of "Why not?" by Evan Chandler. People will sell their very souls, and children, for money. If Evan truly did make the whole thing up, then it's no real surprise that he used his son to accomplish his goals. According to reports, Jordan never really came out and said this. | |
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What about the 24 year old who's now a pastor who testified at the 2005 trial that MJ touched him inappropriate and he cried on the stand. The excuse was his mother accepted money from Hard Copy so that means he was automatically lying. If that's the case then why testify in the 2005 trial?
His mother barely spoke any english and was probably making minimum wage at Neverland. Of course she's gonna accept 20,000 from Hard Copy [Edited 8/12/09 11:35am] | |
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StillDirrty said: No one can give you a 100% answer because no one knows what happened besides that boy and Michael. I believe that Michael was inappropriate but innocent of child molestation.
innappriate? what do u mean by that. | |
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BabyBeMine said: What about the 24 year old who's now a pastor who testified at the 2005 trial that MJ touched him inappropriate and he cried on the stand. The excuse was his mother accepted money from Hard Copy so that means he was automatically lying. If that's the case then why testify in the 2005 trial?
His mother barely spoke any english and was probably making minimum wage at Neverland. Off course shre's gonna accept 20,000 from Hard Copy his mother had conflicting reports. she said she saw mj abusing her son and when she got on the stand she said she didn't see it at all. she denied that anything was going on until she was offered money by tabloids. | |
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I heard rumors that he hangs around MJ fans a lot.
So I guess that speaks volumes about Jordy's feelings about Michael. If someone ever did something to anybody, nobody would be a fan of that person any longer. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: BabyBeMine said: What about the 24 year old who's now a pastor who testified at the 2005 trial that MJ touched him inappropriate and he cried on the stand. The excuse was his mother accepted money from Hard Copy so that means he was automatically lying. If that's the case then why testify in the 2005 trial?
His mother barely spoke any english and was probably making minimum wage at Neverland. Off course shre's gonna accept 20,000 from Hard Copy his mother had conflicting reports. she said she saw mj abusing her son and when she got on the stand she said she didn't see it at all. she denied that anything was going on until she was offered money by tabloids. But didn't he testify at the 2005 Trial and say MJ touched him? | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: innappriate? what do u mean by that. His relationship with children was very inappropriate. It could be attributed to his Peter Pan syndrome or whatever but he needed to get psychiatric help for that. Also, the people around him should have told him that he can't act like that. Even if he had parents permission to sleep in the bed he still shouldn't do it. Same with sleeping on the floor. It might be innocent in his head but he needed to understand that people won't see it that way. | |
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BabyBeMine said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: his mother had conflicting reports. she said she saw mj abusing her son and when she got on the stand she said she didn't see it at all. she denied that anything was going on until she was offered money by tabloids. But didn't he testify at the 2005 Trial and say MJ touched him? i think so like he was inapproiately tickled and then said was like oh he never really molested me at all. sold their story to a tabloid. there's a website you can go to it's called floacist...she has lots of court documents and transcripts. it will give you more information. | |
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StillDirrty said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: innappriate? what do u mean by that. His relationship with children was very inappropriate. It could be attributed to his Peter Pan syndrome or whatever but he needed to get psychiatric help for that. Also, the people around him should have told him that he can't act like that. Even if he had parents permission to sleep in the bed he still shouldn't do it. Same with sleeping on the floor. It might be innocent in his head but he needed to understand that people won't see it that way. when you say his relationship....do u mean like sleeping in the bed, on the floor, hanging out with them all the time? | |
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Here is recent pics of him.
I find it amusing because I think most of the U.S. thinks that the accusers were white. | |
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ernestsewell said: Jordy came out after MJ's death and said the whole thing was a lie, and it was nothing more than an attempt by his father to get money.
If that's true, the question then becomes, why didn't this Evan father guy choose someone else to extort money from? Why MJ? Why then? Perhaps it's a simple case of "Why not?" by Evan Chandler. People will sell their very souls, and children, for money. If Evan truly did make the whole thing up, then it's no real surprise that he used his son to accomplish his goals. INTERNET RUMOR! The Chandler family is under a gag order. Was Michael innocent? I dunno. How did Jordy know what Michael's penis look like? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: ernestsewell said: Jordy came out after MJ's death and said the whole thing was a lie, and it was nothing more than an attempt by his father to get money.
If that's true, the question then becomes, why didn't this Evan father guy choose someone else to extort money from? Why MJ? Why then? Perhaps it's a simple case of "Why not?" by Evan Chandler. People will sell their very souls, and children, for money. If Evan truly did make the whole thing up, then it's no real surprise that he used his son to accomplish his goals. INTERNET RUMOR! The Chandler family is under a gag order. Was Michael innocent? I dunno. How did Jordy know what Michael's penis look like? Yeah so if Jordan came out and said that then there would be a huge legal mess. Family could be charged with pejury. I heard that there were conflicting reports on Michael's penis....that the description didn't match...it was reported but few reports on it and it is barely reported. i'll see if i can find the article. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: when you say his relationship....do u mean like sleeping in the bed, on the floor, hanging out with them all the time? All of it is inappropriate. After the the whole thing with Jordan he should have just stayed away from them excepting his own children. He could stay around the kids he knew but don't continue to invite all those kids to Neverland. | |
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StillDirrty said: Here is recent pics of him.
I find it amusing because I think most of the U.S. thinks that the accusers were white. oh yeah...think they are white boys....maybe because the rumour of michael wanting to be white has been pushed for so long. the 3 boys were all hispanic. | |
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It was stated very clearly that Jordan's description did not match Michael's body part..
How could a father sell his son out for money? If it were true! ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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sag10 said: It was stated very clearly that Jordan's description did not match Michael's body part..
How could a father sell his son out for money? If it were true! I remember that. I thought one of the investigating officers at the time leaked that info. Bottom line...if you're willing to take money for an alleged crime, then probably the crime never really took place. Maybe MJ felt sorry enough for Jordy to want to pay him rather than see him humiliated and further distanced from his family through very difficult and possibly traumatizing court proceedings? I mean it never looks good when you pay somebody for something you didn't do but someone as rich as MJ at the time may have figured "give the lying bastids some cash to get them the hell outta my life!" 
Either MJ felt guilty for doing something inappropriate or felt pity and compassion for a boy victimized by his own father. I vote the latter. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: sag10 said: It was stated very clearly that Jordan's description did not match Michael's body part..
How could a father sell his son out for money? If it were true! I remember that. I thought one of the investigating officers at the time leaked that info. Bottom line...if you're willing to take money for an alleged crime, then probably the crime never really took place. Maybe MJ felt sorry enough for Jordy to want to pay him rather than see him humiliated and further distanced from his family through very difficult and possibly traumatizing court proceedings? I mean it never looks good when you pay somebody for something you didn't do but someone as rich as MJ at the time may have figured "give the lying bastids some cash to get them the hell outta my life!"
Either MJ felt guilty for doing something inappropriate or felt pity and compassion for a boy victimized by his own father. I vote the latter. Yep, and what the hell was his father doing giving him Sodium Penththal on the dentist chair.. To force some answer. Ha Sodium is not a truth serum. I just know that if this was my child no amount of money could be given to me. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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sag10 said: DesireeNevermind said: I remember that. I thought one of the investigating officers at the time leaked that info. Bottom line...if you're willing to take money for an alleged crime, then probably the crime never really took place. Maybe MJ felt sorry enough for Jordy to want to pay him rather than see him humiliated and further distanced from his family through very difficult and possibly traumatizing court proceedings? I mean it never looks good when you pay somebody for something you didn't do but someone as rich as MJ at the time may have figured "give the lying bastids some cash to get them the hell outta my life!"
Either MJ felt guilty for doing something inappropriate or felt pity and compassion for a boy victimized by his own father. I vote the latter. Yep, and what the hell was his father doing giving him Sodium Penththal on the dentist chair.. To force some answer. Ha Sodium is not a truth serum. I just know that if this was my child no amount of money could be given to me.  [Edited 8/12/09 12:29pm] | |
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MJ fans put too much into this whole case. This is one of the reasons why Michael couldnt get on with his life. Admirers and foes were too busy going on a rampage about is he guilty or not guilty. And Michael became emphatic on trying to live up to his "heal the world" image, instead of trying to help himself. How many times can people go over the same thing. The man has a 40 year career for crying out loud.
That family did what they wanted to do. Dont put them up there like that. Let it go | |
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DesireeNevermind said: sag10 said: It was stated very clearly that Jordan's description did not match Michael's body part..
How could a father sell his son out for money? If it were true! I remember that. I thought one of the investigating officers at the time leaked that info. Bottom line...if you're willing to take money for an alleged crime, then probably the crime never really took place. Maybe MJ felt sorry enough for Jordy to want to pay him rather than see him humiliated and further distanced from his family through very difficult and possibly traumatizing court proceedings? I mean it never looks good when you pay somebody for something you didn't do but someone as rich as MJ at the time may have figured "give the lying bastids some cash to get them the hell outta my life!"
Either MJ felt guilty for doing something inappropriate or felt pity and compassion for a boy victimized by his own father. I vote the latter. This is where i disagree. Just because his father took the money does not mean his son was lying and does not make MJ innocent. Here's another question. How come Jordy completely distanced himself from his mother? He was upset that his mother put him in that position in the 1st place. so why be upset with her about that if it didnt happen? Im not saying MJ is guilty, just he isnt automatically innocent either. Nobody knows. You can make a case either way. Also factor in these things 1. MJ has been accused before 2. He prefers to hang with teen boys majority of the time 3. MJ is NEVER with a women The only women i know of were years ago. What about recently? This makes the Lisa Marie marriage more of a way to make him look good now because since then he is never seen with any women that he is actually dating or hooking up with. I always see the Tatiana and MJ pictures from 1988. Thats 21 years ago and if he was feeling her he never would have agreed to have her kicked off the tour just cause she kissed him. [Edited 8/12/09 13:46pm] | |
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You should listen to the phone tapes and read the transcripts for them BabyBeMine. It was used as part of his defense I believe. He's been with women he just kept a lot of them private for who knows what reason. | |
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BabyBeMine said: DesireeNevermind said: I remember that. I thought one of the investigating officers at the time leaked that info. Bottom line...if you're willing to take money for an alleged crime, then probably the crime never really took place. Maybe MJ felt sorry enough for Jordy to want to pay him rather than see him humiliated and further distanced from his family through very difficult and possibly traumatizing court proceedings? I mean it never looks good when you pay somebody for something you didn't do but someone as rich as MJ at the time may have figured "give the lying bastids some cash to get them the hell outta my life!"
Either MJ felt guilty for doing something inappropriate or felt pity and compassion for a boy victimized by his own father. I vote the latter. This is where i disagree. Just because his father took the money does not mean his son was lying and does not make MJ innocent. Here's another question. How come Jordy completely distanced himself from his mother? He was upset that his mother put him in that position in the 1st place. so why be upset with her about that if it didnt happen? Im not saying MJ is guilty, just he isnt automatically innocent either. Nobody knows. You can make a case either way. Also factor in these things 1. MJ has been accused before 2. He prefers to hang with teen boys majority of the time 3. MJ is NEVER with a women The only women i know of were years ago. What about recently? This makes the Lisa Marie marriage more of a way to make him look good now because since then he is never seen with any women that he is actually dating or hooking up with. I always see the Tatiana and MJ pictures from 1988. Thats 21 years ago and if he was feeling her he never would have agreed to have her kicked off the tour just cause she kissed him. [Edited 8/12/09 13:46pm] jordy also doesn't have contact his father either. hasn't talked to him since and has a restraining order against him. | |
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BabyBeMine said: DesireeNevermind said: I remember that. I thought one of the investigating officers at the time leaked that info. Bottom line...if you're willing to take money for an alleged crime, then probably the crime never really took place. Maybe MJ felt sorry enough for Jordy to want to pay him rather than see him humiliated and further distanced from his family through very difficult and possibly traumatizing court proceedings? I mean it never looks good when you pay somebody for something you didn't do but someone as rich as MJ at the time may have figured "give the lying bastids some cash to get them the hell outta my life!"
Either MJ felt guilty for doing something inappropriate or felt pity and compassion for a boy victimized by his own father. I vote the latter. This is where i disagree. Just because his father took the money does not mean his son was lying and does not make MJ innocent. Here's another question. How come Jordy completely distanced himself from his mother? He was upset that his mother put him in that position in the 1st place. so why be upset with her about that if it didnt happen? Im not saying MJ is guilty, just he isnt automatically innocent either. Nobody knows. You can make a case either way. Also factor in these things 1. MJ has been accused before 2. He prefers to hang with teen boys majority of the time 3. MJ is NEVER with a women The only women i know of were years ago. What about recently? This makes the Lisa Marie marriage more of a way to make him look good now because since then he is never seen with any women that he is actually dating or hooking up with. I always see the Tatiana and MJ pictures from 1988. Thats 21 years ago and if he was feeling her he never would have agreed to have her kicked off the tour just cause she kissed him. [Edited 8/12/09 13:46pm] google floacist...she has a blog of transcripts on documents on this. it will answer ur questions better. there are pedos out there who have wifes or gfs or around women but still abuse | |
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If Evan truly believed Jordy was abused then what was all that stuff about Evan doing that hypnosis shit to his son in his dental surgery? | |
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MattyJam said: If Evan truly believed Jordy was abused then what was all that stuff about Evan doing that hypnosis shit to his son in his dental surgery?
Is it a fact that his son was under the drug? Just like you can say its not proven MJ was guilty, you cant say its proven that the drug story was fact. Ex employees that worked for MJ such as the security guard who said he witnessed MJ touch Jordy inappropriate, just because he sold his story doesnt make him a liar. If i was offered 20,000 for my story id accept the money to. Doesn't mean im lying. When you have high powered lawyers you can make a truthful person look like he's lying. A kid can get up on the witness stand and be telling the truth about being molested but a grfeat lawyer can catch him in inconsistencies and create that reasonable doubt. [Edited 8/12/09 14:13pm] | |
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BabyBeMine said: MattyJam said: If Evan truly believed Jordy was abused then what was all that stuff about Evan doing that hypnosis shit to his son in his dental surgery?
Is it a fact that his son was under the drug? Just like you can say its not proven MJ was guilty, you cant say its proven that the drug story was fact. Ex employees that worked for MJ such as the security guard who said he witnessed MJ touch Jordy inappropriate, just because he sold his story doesnt make him a liar. If i was offered 20,000 for my story id accept the money to. Doesn't mean im lying. When you have high powered lawyers you can make a truthful person look like he's lying. A kid can get up on the witness stand and be telling the truth about being molested but a grfeat lawyer can catch him in inconsistencies and create that reasonable doubt. [Edited 8/12/09 14:13pm] I don't think we'll ever truly know what is fact and what has been fabricated, on either side. But I will say this, you do seriously compramise your credibility when you sell your story to a tabloid. Does it mean it automatically must be bs? Of course not. But many people who sell stories to tabloids are shameless opportunists motivated by money and little else.... | |
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MattyJam said: BabyBeMine said: Is it a fact that his son was under the drug? Just like you can say its not proven MJ was guilty, you cant say its proven that the drug story was fact. Ex employees that worked for MJ such as the security guard who said he witnessed MJ touch Jordy inappropriate, just because he sold his story doesnt make him a liar. If i was offered 20,000 for my story id accept the money to. Doesn't mean im lying. When you have high powered lawyers you can make a truthful person look like he's lying. A kid can get up on the witness stand and be telling the truth about being molested but a grfeat lawyer can catch him in inconsistencies and create that reasonable doubt. [Edited 8/12/09 14:13pm] I don't think we'll ever truly know what is fact and what has been fabricated, on either side. But I will say this, you do seriously compramise your credibility when you sell your story to a tabloid. Does it mean it automatically must be bs? Of course not. But many people who sell stories to tabloids are shameless opportunists motivated by money and little else.... Not really. It depends on how you look at it. Your a security guard probably not making a lot of money and you get offered a lot of money for your story. Many ppl of low income would accept that. | |
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