Some even claim that there was an impersonator at the This Is It press conference.

The hands´ thing is interesting. I gotta check the pictures...

The finger thing is interesting... but I don't really see how having an impersonator go to London and announce the dates rather than Michael autimatically means Michael = not really dead, ya know?

It's official, he's this era's Elvis/Tupac.

Purpleone4Eva said:

Well, there´s a whole series of videos on youtube explaining why they believe Mike´s alive. Interesting...


Yeah, but we could have expected it. I mean it´s Michael Jackson.
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Timmy84 said:

Yeah I mean at the press conference, that was MJ , how can they say it was not MJ...some people make me wonder.

http://latimesblogs.latim...-show.html

Michael Jackson died of lethal levels of propofol, court documents show
August 24, 2009 | 12:00 pm


L.A. County coroner's officials found lethal levels of the powerful anesthetic propofol after examining Michael Jackson's body, according to a search warrant affidavit unsealed today in Houston.

According to the search warrant, Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, told LAPD detectives that he had been treating Jackson for insomnia for about six weeks. He had been giving Jackson 50 milligrams of propofol every night using an intravenous line, according to the court records.

But Murray told detectives that he feared Jackson was forming an addiction and began trying to wean the pop star off the drugs. He lowered the dosage to 25 milligrams and mixed it with two other sedatives, lorazepam and midazolam. On June 23, two days before Jackson's death, he administered those two medications and withheld the propofol.

On the morning Jackson died, Murray tried to induce sleep without using propofol, according to the affidavit. He said he gave Jackson valium at 1:30 a.m. When that didn't work, he said, he injected lorazepam intravenously at 2 a.m. At 3 a.m., when Jackson was still awake, Murray administered midazolam.

Over the next few hours, Murray said he gave Jackson various drugs. Then at 10:40 a.m., Murray administered 25 milligrams of propofol after Jackson repeatedly demanded the drug, according to the court record.

Murray has already acknowledged obtaining and administering propofol to Jackson the morning that he died. In an interview with police, Murray told them that he left Jackson alone under the influence of the medication to make telephone calls to his Houston office and family members.

When he returned, he discovered Jackson was not breathing. He performed CPR, and one of Jackson’s staff members called 911. The 50-year-old pop star was rushed to the UCLA Medical Center, where he was later declared dead. Much of the investigation has focused on propofol — a drug typically administered by anesthesiologists during surgery — and whether Murray’s decision to give it to Jackson as a sleep aid outside a hospital setting reaches a level of negligence required for an involuntary manslaughter charge.

-- Kimi Yoshino


So he gave some drugs to Mike at 3 a.m. and that propofol at 10:40 a.m. Isn´t that a bit late, wouldn´t Mike be getting up at that time? And if he did give it to him and knew how that works, how could he have gone and make a phonecall? And did he speak to someone for almost hour and half? The 911 was called around noon, right?
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dag said:

The info still sounds confusing. I can believe propofol was found, then again I'm not sure if this is official since coroners are still withholding info so I'm gonna take this as a grain of salt.

Timmy84 said:

Me too. It´s weird. I mean what was Mike doing from 3 a.m. to 10:40 a.m.when he was allegedly given the propofol. I still have hard times believe even the propofol story itself. It all sounds just ridiculous.
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dag said:

For real. If this is true, then why haven't they arrested the quack yet?

Timmy84 said:

Exactly.

dag said:

The shocking part is how long MJ was on this stuff, what did Murray say, six weeks? His dumb ass did a lot of stupid stuff.

dag said:

This is really frightening stuff! 2 the Jackson family.

Some titles of the report now have this headline: "JACKSON DIED OF PROPOFOL OVERDOSE".

Timmy84 said:

This is way too crazy. Considering Murray´s "care" of the patient, that he would give something like that and go and make a phonecall. If he was acting like this the whole six weeks, it´s a miracle Mike survived the very first night.

Nah...I don´t buy this story...makes no sense to me...

dag said:

Me either. The LAPD is acting this as a matter-of-factly case, I believe. If they believed it was a murder, Murray would've been arrested weeks ago. And I believe the autopsy may even say either propofol toxicity or overdose.

dag said:

Here, here! Dr. Murray's statement is suspect at best.

A better article I found at KOP board.

Southern Bound: The reader, a quieter side of Michael Jackson
http://blog.al.com/entert..._a_qu.html
Posted by John Sledge, Books Page Editor August 23, 2009 3:00 PM

Categories: Books
Michael Jackson: "I watch cartoons. I love cartoons. I play video games. Sometimes I read."
Paul Theroux: "You mean you read books?"
MJ: "Yeah. I love to read short stories and everything."
PT: "Any in particular?"
MJ: "Somerset Maugham ... Whitman. Hemingway. Twain."

Who'd a thunk it? Michael Jackson a serious reader? Paul Theroux's recollection of an old conversation published in a recent London Telegraph indicates, and a June 27 story in the L.A. Times confirms, that the King of Pop was apparently just that. Jackson certainly isn't the only popular musician known to have a literary bent -- Keith Richards is famously bookish, and in her 10,000 Maniacs days, Natalie Merchant flung paperback copies of Jack Kerouac's "On the Road" into the audience -- but he is surely the most surprising.
Or perhaps not. That Jackson was complex and troubled is common knowledge. And though California hosts legions of self-help gurus and clinics and pills of all sorts, great literature has wrestled with the conundrums of the human condition for centuries. Wherever else he may have turned for answers, it is now evident that Michael Jackson found solace in literature.

In the L.A. Times story, numerous southern California booksellers reported that Jackson was a regular customer, and a good one, often leaving with four or five volumes. Sometimes a store would get a request to close early so he could browse without being confronted by fans. He always arrived with beefy bodyguards and sometimes perused the shelves in outsized sunglasses or behind a surgical mask or under a black umbrella. He rarely spoke, but when he did, he was quiet and polite. One clerk recalled that Jackson loved poetry and another that he favored Emerson. "I think you would find a great deal of the transcendental, all-accepting philosophy in his lyrics," one of them told the Times.

Jackson liked to discuss what he had read, though the circle of trusted confidants who could keep up with him was likely small. "We talked about psychology, Freud and Jung, Hawthorne, Sociology, black history and sociology dealing with race issues," one of Jackson's attorneys, Bob Sanger, told the L.A. Weekly. Noting that Jackson was well-versed in the classic works of all those subjects, Sanger concluded, "Go down the street and try and find five people who can talk about Freud and Jung."

Theroux was surprised at how substantive his exchange with Jackson turned out to be. After being vetted for an interview by Elizabeth Taylor ("He'll talk to you if I ask him to"), Theroux was awakened by a telephone call during the wee hours from the King of Pop himself ("the voice was breathy, unbroken, boyish"). After some discussion about Jackson's close friendship with Taylor, which Theroux likens to the relationship between Wendy and Peter Pan, the talk ranged over issues of fame and family before moving to the theme of lost childhood.

Theroux quoted a line from the Irish poet George William Russell: "In the lost boyhood of Judas/ Christ was betrayed." Jackson's response was a soft "wow" and then a series of rapid-fire questions about what this meant, and what exactly was known about Judas, his childhood and his life. "I told him," Theroux explained, "that Judas had red hair, that he was the treasurer of the Apostles, that he might have been Sicarii -- a member of a radical Jewish group, that he might not have died by hanging himself but somehow exploded, all his guts flying." This was followed by another 20 minutes of "Biblical apocrypha with Michael Jackson on the lost childhood of Judas" before the star uttered another soft "wow."

So, in his quiet moments Jackson was reading long and deep, seeking inspiration and insight. Then why did those vapid tours of Neverland Ranch (both before and after his death), which highlighted the carnival rides and the zoo animals and the fountains and the floral clock and the palatial mansion and the theater, never show or even mention Jackson's personal library? According to Sanger in the L.A. Weekly, it consists of ten thousand volumes. There, I would humbly suggest, might lie more than a few answers to the many puzzles of Michael Jackson.

(John Sledge edits the Press-Register's Books page. He may be reached at the Press-Register, P.O. Box 2488, Mobile, AL 36652.)

dag said:

Gimmie a break here! The doc was getting paid a million dollars by MJ. He has to leave MJ to go to his office to answer phone calls. What's wrong with a cell phone? Didn't he at least have a team of nurses monitor MJ while he was away? I can see Nancy Grace now!

Smittyrock70 said:

Exactly.

Michael Jackson died of "lethal levels" of the powerful anesthetic propofol, according to a search warrant affidavit unsealed today in Houston.

The court documents quote the L.A. County coroner's office as reaching that conclusion after an autopsy of the pop star.

The documents address one of the major unanswered questions surrounding Jackson's death. But they also raise new questions about how Jackson was treated, particularly in the hours before his death.

Conrad Murray, Jackson's personal doctor, told detectives with the Los Angeles Police Department that he had been treating Jackson for insomnia for about six weeks. He had been giving Jackson 50 milligrams of propofol every night using an intravenous line, according to the court records.

But Murray told detectives that he feared Jackson was forming an addiction and began trying to wean the pop star off the drugs. He lowered the dosage to 25 milligrams and mixed it with two other sedatives, lorazepam and midazolam. On June 23, two days before Jackson's death, he administered those two medications and withheld the propofol.

On the morning Jackson died, Murray tried to induce sleep without using propofol, according to the affidavit. He said he gave Jackson valium at 1:30 a.m. When that didn't work, he said, he injected lorazepam intravenously at 2 a.m. At 3 a.m., when Jackson was still awake, Murray administered midazolam.

Over the next few hours, Murray said he gave Jackson various drugs. Then at 10:40 a.m., Murray administered 25 milligrams of propofol after Jackson repeatedly demanded the drug, according to the court records.

Although Murray acknowledged to police that he administered propofol, authorities said they could find no evidence that he had purchased, ordered or obtained the medication under his medical license or Drug Enforcement Administration tracking number. However, police detectives saw about eight bottles of propofol in the house along with other vials and pills that had been prescribed to Jackson by Dr. Murray, Dr. Arnold Klein and Dr. Allan Metzger.

Other drugs that were confiscated in the search included valium, tamsulosin, lorazepam, temazepam, clonazepam, trazodone and tizanidine. They also found propofol in Murray’s medical bag. Murray told detectives that he was not the first doctor to administer the powerful anesthetic to Jackson.

At least two unidentified doctors gave Jackson propofol in Germany. Between March and April 2009, Murray said he called Las Vegas doctor David Adams at Jackson’s request to arrange for Adams to administer propofol. Murray said he was present at a cosmetologist’s office, where Adams used propofol to sedate Jackson. Since he began treating Jackson, Murray said he repeatedly asked the pop star what other physicians were treating Jackson and what drugs they were prescribing. But Jackson declined to provide the information, Murray told authorities.

Murray said he noticed injection marks on Jackson’s hands and feet. When he asked Jackson about them, the pop star told him he had been given a “cocktail” to help him. In addition to Murray, authorities subpoenaed medical records from Dr. Arnold Klein, Dr. Allan Metzger and Dr. David Adams, the affidavit states. They also asked for medical records from Dr. David Slavitt, who conducted the independent medical examination of Jackson for Anschuntz Entertainment Group, Dr. Randy Rosen and nurse practitioner Cherilyn Lee. They also subpoenaed records from Dr. Mark Tadrissi, who stored medical records with Adams.
Jackson’s doctor told authorities he left Jackson’s bedside for no more than two minutes before returning to find the pop star not breathing. Jackson reportedly fell asleep at 10:40 a.m.

Murray said after monitoring Jackson for 10 minutes, he left to use the restroom. When he returned and saw Jackson wasn’t breathing at 11 a.m. He immediately began attempting to revive Jackson, administering CPR as well as a drug to reverse the effects of the sedative. But police are questioning that account. Cellphone records for the morning of June 25 show Murray made three separate phone calls for approximately 47 minutes beginning at 11:18 a.m.

He called Jackson’s personal assistant to request that they send security upstairs. After a few minutes without a response, Murray told authorities he ran downstairs to the kitchen. He asked the chef to send Jackson’s eldest son, Prince Jackson, upstairs. Murray said he continued CPR and waited for the arrival of paramedics.

Murray has already acknowledged obtaining and administering propofol to Jackson the morning that the pop star died. In an interview with police, Murray told them that he had left Jackson alone under the influence of the medication to make telephone calls to his Houston office and family members.

When he returned, he discovered Jackson was not breathing. He performed CPR, and one of Jackson’s staff members called 911. The 50-year-old pop star was rushed to UCLA Medical Center, where he was later declared dead. Much of the investigation has focused on propofol -- a drug typically administered by anesthesiologists during surgery -- and whether Murray’s decision to give it to Jackson as a sleep aid outside a hospital setting reaches a level of negligence required for an involuntary manslaughter charge.

ehuffnsd said:

Good. He leaves him for just "two minutes" finds him not breathing and than goes on to make some phonecalls for 47 minutes.....He even went to the restroom...so did he find him not breathing after returning from those phonecalls or after returning from restroom? .....are they kidding me or what?..
Why did he go himself to get Prince, why didn´t he send the security and continue the CPR?
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I know, he waits an hour? Come on now...

Now not only are they confirming homicide but the LAPD is still seeking a manslaughter charge. This doesn't make sense.

This dude wasn't a doc, he was a drug dealer.

Timmy84 said:

This article makes NO sense whatsoever.

"with all the confusion, don´t it make you wanna scream?"

yes, there are pieces that don't fit here.

all night, you're giving mj drug after drug, and you state that nothing was working and mj demanded propofol. aside from the fact that you're the doctor and you tell the patient, not the other way around, is it possible that mj would have been that alert to be requesting anything? i mean, these sound like really powerful drugs, and even if he didn't have agood night's sleep, wouldn't he have been sufficiently 'out of it'?

and why would you be administering propofal at 10 in the morning; he was supposed to be up and on his way to start his day by that time. if he was up, you might as well let him stay up at that point, right?

and as others have pointed out, why would you leave the room of an unconscious man to make a phone call? especially knowing you have pumped this frail man with enough drugs to put down a horse? i would have been over him like a white on rice.

and why are you calling security, the chef and poor little prince when you should have been calling the paramedics?

he's either lying thru his teeth or he's really, really dumb...likely both.
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dag said:

My sister-in-law is registered nurse and normally nurses not doctors administer Diprovan (25 mg!) under controlled environment, definitely not at the singer's house.

like i said in another MJ thread...Conrad was doping up MJ in a futile attempt to undope him. Sounds incredibly stupid on his part. If MJ were some out of control drug addict then he needed to be hospitilized and looked after by a team of specialist who could wean him off all drugs without his life being in absolute danger. This fucker needs to be in prison along with all his cohorts.

dag said:

Exactly.

I said in another board that in a way, the investigation into Michael's death is like the investigation into Marvin's. They also claimed because Marvin was "paranoid" and a "drug addict" that when he attacked his dad that his dad "had to shoot him" because he had stomped him. But Marvin's dad didn't have a gun on him when he was attacked. So a few minutes go by and Marvin, Sr. calmly walks in to shoot his son in front of his mother? And they left him off because of a brain tumor and injuries? Marvin's dad was a MURDERER.

Now they're saying that because Michael was BEGGING for this shit that apparently he demanded all these drugs to get him to sleep and this dude is on the cell phone AFTER he noticed MJ was unconscious then waits until an hour to call 911? And police are not looking to charge him with murder even though the coroner confirmed a homicide? Are you kidding me?

Timmy84 said:

timmy, I just can't believe that someone like MJ being killed by an irresponsible reckless bastard I can't believe he was killed.

Timmy84 said:

co-sign

I am speechless right now and really don´t understand anything at all. I can´t wait to see how this all ends up, but I hope the people responsible will get what they deserve.