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Printableseeingvoices12 said: Timmy84 said: Plus most of those songs were unfinished recordings (In the Back, The Way You Love Me, Surprise Song was definitely a song that if he or the Jacksons really cared for it, they would've made worked, etc.) He didn't even finish "Fall Again". I don't know what songs he did finish. Most of the "unreleased material" sounds demo-ish and, as you said, random. Michael would have ideas for songs (bboy posted Michael-penned lyrics on vintage paper sheets from songs he either recorded or didn't). Most of the songs he end up putting on the "Thriller", "Bad", "Dangerous", "HIStory" and "Invincible" albums were tracks he'd be working on during previous album sessions. Like it has been reported, he didn't really record a lot of material with the guys he had worked with or was going to work on the album. Hell if he had went on the tour, we still probably wouldn't have gotten a new album because Michael would've been doing something else. He was also working on a classical instrumental album when he died and he composed some stuff but we don't even know if that's finished. I bet at least about 600 of these 1,000 songs were even finished. according to reports there are 200 New Finished tracks, who knows, till now no one knows the real numbers... Just 200? | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: Yeah fans. Remember seeing the thread about someone saying when they saw him that he was "very thin" and said he was upset that he was signed to do 50 shows, that he only wanted to do 10 and that he felt like he was pushed to the corner? That differs from others (like Kai Chase and 'em) saying that Michael was "up to do the 50 shows" though he did say "they're killing me" (which can be interpreted into something comical). From other accounts, you could say MJ was joking, but the fans that claimed they were there to see him rehearse said he wasn't feeling up to do the shows. [Edited 8/18/09 15:40pm] There were some fans at the rehearsals? Why am I never that lucky? Do you happen to know what did they base their feelings on? Did they talk to him? Did he seem not as energetic or enthusiastic to them? [Edited 8/18/09 15:43pm] They said they were concerned for Michael's well being and for the people who hung around him. From what I saw, yeah, they did talk to him and no he seemed lethargic when they saw him.  | |
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WaterInYourBath said: suga10 said: Murray speaks for the first time. A**hole.
I knew he would be afraid.....  he looks scared to death. | |
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Timmy84 said: dag said: There were some fans at the rehearsals? Why am I never that lucky? Do you happen to know what did they base their feelings on? Did they talk to him? Did he seem not as energetic or enthusiastic to them? [Edited 8/18/09 15:43pm] They said they were concerned for Michael's well being and for the people who hung around him. From what I saw, yeah, they did talk to him and no he seemed lethargic when they saw him. See, if the rehearsals were "killing him" as he said meaning they were physically too demanding and he was really tired then he may have seem lethargic being tired. But if he was lethargic because of some health problems or drug abuse, than that´s sad noone did anything. Hopefully we´ll find out about that from the autopsy results. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: They said they were concerned for Michael's well being and for the people who hung around him. From what I saw, yeah, they did talk to him and no he seemed lethargic when they saw him. See, if the rehearsals were "killing him" as he said meaning they were physically too demanding and he was really tired then he may have seem lethargic being tired. But if he was lethargic because of some health problems or drug abuse, than that´s sad noone did anything. Hopefully we´ll find out about that from the autopsy results. Either he was ill, drug-addicted or was accidentally and negligently taken away or all the above.  | |
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On the very day he died (afternoon here, it was around 10pm over here by the time any news broke) I read reports from the final rehearsal that those fans attended that hearing Human Nature was heavenly. They weren't reporting any of these concerns outside of their little group until afterwards. I never knew what to believe with that lot because it also always seemed that they'd only grow to dislike a visible MJ employee when they started blocking their stalker-ish access to him. | |
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Timmy84 said: seeingvoices12 said: according to reports there are 200 New Finished tracks, who knows, till now no one knows the real numbers... Just 200? NEW.....  MICHAEL JACKSON
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Ellie said: On the very day he died (afternoon here, it was around 10pm over here by the time any news broke) I read reports from the final rehearsal that those fans attended that hearing Human Nature was heavenly. They weren't reporting any of these concerns outside of their little group until afterwards. I never knew what to believe with that lot because it also always seemed that they'd only grow to dislike a visible MJ employee when they started blocking their stalker-ish access to him.
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What I don't get is this film that's supposed to be out in October centering around the final rehearsals. In the short footage that was released, MJ looked heavy footed and unfocused to me. Now, my non-fan workmates said they thought it looked OK, especially for rehearsal footage... but they've not seen a fraction of the footage of MJ that I have. He looked more sick than the 2001 MSG shows to me.
Was that footage supposed to be some kind of proof that he was healthy? Because I wasn't convinced at all. That was supposed to be the one that MJ finished and then was in good spirits, realising he could handle it? I dread to think what the rest of it is like. | |
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Ellie said: On the very day he died (afternoon here, it was around 10pm over here by the time any news broke) I read reports from the final rehearsal that those fans attended that hearing Human Nature was heavenly. They weren't reporting any of these concerns outside of their little group until afterwards. I never knew what to believe with that lot because it also always seemed that they'd only grow to dislike a visible MJ employee when they started blocking their stalker-ish access to him.
That´s weird. Anyways, HOW did they manage to get to him. That always drives me crazy. That´s jealousy speaking out of me, I know. But damn...."When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Ellie said: What I don't get is this film that's supposed to be out in October centering around the final rehearsals. In the short footage that was released, MJ looked heavy footed and unfocused to me. Now, my non-fan workmates said they thought it looked OK, especially for rehearsal footage... but they've not seen a fraction of the footage of MJ that I have. He looked more sick than the 2001 MSG shows to me.
Was that footage supposed to be some kind of proof that he was healthy? Because I wasn't convinced at all. That was supposed to be the one that MJ finished and then was in good spirits, realising he could handle it? I dread to think what the rest of it is like. That's another weird one. I do wonder if he was that well. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: Timmy84 said: Just 200? NEW..... | |
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Its possible for MJ to sing well in rehearsals, but maybe he wasn't energetic from the dancing aspect??? | |
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Ellie said: What I don't get is this film that's supposed to be out in October centering around the final rehearsals. In the short footage that was released, MJ looked heavy footed and unfocused to me. Now, my non-fan workmates said they thought it looked OK, especially for rehearsal footage... but they've not seen a fraction of the footage of MJ that I have. He looked more sick than the 2001 MSG shows to me.
Was that footage supposed to be some kind of proof that he was healthy? Because I wasn't convinced at all. That was supposed to be the one that MJ finished and then was in good spirits, realising he could handle it? I dread to think what the rest of it is like. There are 100 hours footage of rehearsals, maybe in other never-seen footages his dancing was good, because I agree with you, I think Mj look tired in the footage that has been released. MICHAEL JACKSON
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Ellie said: What I don't get is this film that's supposed to be out in October centering around the final rehearsals. In the short footage that was released, MJ looked heavy footed and unfocused to me. Now, my non-fan workmates said they thought it looked OK, especially for rehearsal footage... but they've not seen a fraction of the footage of MJ that I have. He looked more sick than the 2001 MSG shows to me.
Was that footage supposed to be some kind of proof that he was healthy? Because I wasn't convinced at all. That was supposed to be the one that MJ finished and then was in good spirits, realising he could handle it? I dread to think what the rest of it is like. YOu have some special footage we haven´t seen yet? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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suga10 said: Its possible for MJ to sing well in rehearsals, but maybe he wasn't energetic from the dancing aspect???
He was singing over the played track of "They Don't Care About Us", it almost sounded like he was singing but the back track vocal was more visible than his vocal. It reminded me of the HIStory performance of the song. | |
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Ellie said: What I don't get is this film that's supposed to be out in October centering around the final rehearsals. In the short footage that was released, MJ looked heavy footed and unfocused to me. Now, my non-fan workmates said they thought it looked OK, especially for rehearsal footage... but they've not seen a fraction of the footage of MJ that I have. He looked more sick than the 2001 MSG shows to me.
Was that footage supposed to be some kind of proof that he was healthy? Because I wasn't convinced at all. That was supposed to be the one that MJ finished and then was in good spirits, realising he could handle it? I dread to think what the rest of it is like. I felt the exact same way when I first saw it. I really don't expect the whole rehearsal film to be much better, especially if the little they have shown is supposed to exemplify his "great condition" that day.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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AEG didn't do a very good job of proving how well Michael was.
They should have released some footage from Smooth Criminal and Thriller. Why show a boring old video of They Don't Care About Us? I mean what where's the footage for this picture? 
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dag said: That´s weird. Anyways, HOW did they manage to get to him. That always drives me crazy. That´s jealousy speaking out of me, I know. But damn....When you think of how many times they met him and that he knew their names and phone numbers etc., yeah, it's something to be jealous of. But if you think about the lives outside of following MJ around, there's just not much there. Probably little money for anything other than travelling around the world for him. I know they call themselves "followers", but some were sitting outside his house all day long. Probably worked freelance jobs and things. It's quite sad because what do they live for now? I know that sounds cruel and is probably generalising a lot of them, but there's a huge difference between chatting about a celebrity you admire on the internet for an hour or so a day and actually giving up your whole life to try to meet them on a daily or weekly basis. | |
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Or the picture where he's holding the mic about to sing (least that's the way the picture looked). He might've been doing the "Jackson 5 medley" in that picture. | |
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Ellie said: dag said: That´s weird. Anyways, HOW did they manage to get to him. That always drives me crazy. That´s jealousy speaking out of me, I know. But damn....When you think of how many times they met him and that he knew their names and phone numbers etc., yeah, it's something to be jealous of. But if you think about the lives outside of following MJ around, there's just not much there. Probably little money for anything other than travelling around the world for him. I know they call themselves "followers", but some were sitting outside his house all day long. Probably worked freelance jobs and things. It's quite sad because what do they live for now? I know that sounds cruel and is probably generalising a lot of them, but there's a huge difference between chatting about a celebrity you admire on the internet for an hour or so a day and actually giving up your whole life to try to meet them on a daily or weekly basis. I call that an unhealthy obsession. I would've been lucky if a celebrity touched my hand rather than knowing their whereabouts. I have seen no other celebrity be treated like that. Sounds like invasion, I'm not trying to hate, but I don't find nothing good in it either. | |
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Timmy84 said: Or the picture where he's holding the mic about to sing (least that's the way the picture looked). He might've been doing the "Jackson 5 medley" in that picture.
Yeah and this one | |
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dag said: YOu have some special footage we haven´t seen yet? No no, I was talking about non-fan friends saying the how good he looked in the rehearsal footage when they don't have much of a point of reference of actually seeing him really on form. Half-energised rehearsal or not, I'd have expected him to be just a few notches down from the Dangerous rehearsals due to his age for there to be no real concerns. | |
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Timmy84 said: Or the picture where he's holding the mic about to sing (least that's the way the picture looked). He might've been doing the "Jackson 5 medley" in that picture.
all those footages exist, they will be in the movie MICHAEL JACKSON
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Ellie said: dag said: YOu have some special footage we haven´t seen yet? No no, I was talking about non-fan friends saying the how good he looked in the rehearsal footage when they don't have much of a point of reference of actually seeing him really on form. Half-energised rehearsal or not, I'd have expected him to be just a few notches down from the Dangerous rehearsals due to his age for there to be no real concerns. You mean the dancers and Kenny right? MJ looked very energetic on the Dangerous rehearsals.  | |
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seeingvoices12 said: Timmy84 said: Or the picture where he's holding the mic about to sing (least that's the way the picture looked). He might've been doing the "Jackson 5 medley" in that picture.
all those footages exist, they will be in the movie They could've least released snippets. We only got one piece of footage leaked, lol. | |
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Timmy84 said: I call that an unhealthy obsession. I would've been lucky if a celebrity touched my hand rather than knowing their whereabouts. I have seen no other celebrity be treated like that. Sounds like invasion, I'm not trying to hate, but I don't find nothing good in it either.I always thought that MJ was frightened of a John Lennon situation happening to him and found it hard to politely tell certain people to leave him alone. | |
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Yes he did look energetic in old rehearsal footage.
But also Mike is 50 too, so its not like he was going to be exactly like Mike from years ago. | |
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Timmy84 said: seeingvoices12 said: all those footages exist, they will be in the movie They could've least released snippets. We only got one piece of footage leaked, lol. you know that they won't miss a fuckin opportunity to cash in .... MICHAEL JACKSON
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