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PrintableOldTeenager said:[quote] BoOTyLiCioUs said: kibbles said: you have the nurse claiming not to have seen anything that would indicate drug addiction. tom meseareau says the same thing, that four years ago at the trial he saw nothing, but then you have chopra saying mj was asking him for oxycontin around the same time. then the competing versions of the facts from various family members. it's all so confusing. i guess the autopsy will tell the tale.
if murray is claiming 'ignorance' about mj's unusual problems, it just makes it all the worse for him. even the chef noticed that mj had debilitated in the two months from the time she left his employ until her return. how could a doctor not notice, or have no idea, and more importantly for his defense, apparently not care? how could you be giving a 'patient' who was clearly not well anything? someone with unusual problems and you're going to compound the problems? even if he doesn't go to jail, or even to trial, he can kiss his medical license good-bye. he'll barely be able to get a job at denny's by the time this is over. 
a lot of those doctors are covering their asses. if you have noticed that one nurse has given different accounts from her original statement. i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. Yeah they haven't seen Michael in years because once they caught on to him being a junkie, he became unreachable. Michael didn't want anyone staging an intervention. He loved his drugs...  If you couldn't get him dope he didn't wanna be bothered....plain and simple.
That is why he was so tight with Elizabeth Taylor! Wait wasn't he hanging out with Liza Minnelli too? Another entertainer with prescription drug problems (not to mention alcoholism)? 
I guess the fan in me wants to believe that they turned on him (I mean they DID go to tabloid papers talking about how they were "betrayed" by Mike, lol)... | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: kibbles said: you have the nurse claiming not to have seen anything that would indicate drug addiction. tom meseareau says the same thing, that four years ago at the trial he saw nothing, but then you have chopra saying mj was asking him for oxycontin around the same time. then the competing versions of the facts from various family members. it's all so confusing. i guess the autopsy will tell the tale.
if murray is claiming 'ignorance' about mj's unusual problems, it just makes it all the worse for him. even the chef noticed that mj had debilitated in the two months from the time she left his employ until her return. how could a doctor not notice, or have no idea, and more importantly for his defense, apparently not care? how could you be giving a 'patient' who was clearly not well anything? someone with unusual problems and you're going to compound the problems? even if he doesn't go to jail, or even to trial, he can kiss his medical license good-bye. he'll barely be able to get a job at denny's by the time this is over. a lot of those doctors are covering their asses. if you have noticed that one nurse has given different accounts from her original statement. i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. no, i didn't know that. she had claimed that she drew blood and such, which i thought was odd given she's a nurse and dietician, something like that, right? maybe they do stuff like that, i don't know. but yes, you're right. oxman hasn't been around mj in at least 4 years. chopra claims that he kept tabs on mj thru nanny grace, which begs all sorts of questions for me again about intervention. according to chopra, grace would call him when mj was 'running close to the edge'. well, when was this? how often did she call you since the end of the trial? even if it happened once, did he ever alert his family to the danger, particularly katherine? what about grace herself? she claims to have loved the kids, but not enough to call their father's family or someone else to get him help? if mj was so drug addicted, wouldn't his blood have shown elevated levels of whatever he was taking, obviating the need to look further for a cause of death? even if murray had given him propofal, he would have been home free if the coroner had found a cocktail of drugs in mj's system, wouldn't he? again, all so confusing. | |
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babybugz said: Timmy84 said:  With the king armor and everything.  This was during the "Victory" era.  yeah and there was another one I saw in a people mag it look like it was during the Dangerous or the history eraCould've been. | |
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OldTeenager said:[quote] BoOTyLiCioUs said: kibbles said: you have the nurse claiming not to have seen anything that would indicate drug addiction. tom meseareau says the same thing, that four years ago at the trial he saw nothing, but then you have chopra saying mj was asking him for oxycontin around the same time. then the competing versions of the facts from various family members. it's all so confusing. i guess the autopsy will tell the tale.
if murray is claiming 'ignorance' about mj's unusual problems, it just makes it all the worse for him. even the chef noticed that mj had debilitated in the two months from the time she left his employ until her return. how could a doctor not notice, or have no idea, and more importantly for his defense, apparently not care? how could you be giving a 'patient' who was clearly not well anything? someone with unusual problems and you're going to compound the problems? even if he doesn't go to jail, or even to trial, he can kiss his medical license good-bye. he'll barely be able to get a job at denny's by the time this is over.
a lot of those doctors are covering their asses. if you have noticed that one nurse has given different accounts from her original statement. i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. Yeah they haven't seen Michael in years because once they caught on to him being a junkie, he became unreachable. Michael didn't want anyone staging an intervention. He loved his drugs... If you couldn't get him dope he didn't wanna be bothered....plain and simple.
That is why he was so tight with Elizabeth Taylor! I didn't notice how some of his best friends were addicts too until his death  | |
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kibbles said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: a lot of those doctors are covering their asses. if you have noticed that one nurse has given different accounts from her original statement. i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. no, i didn't know that. she had claimed that she drew blood and such, which i thought was odd given she's a nurse and dietician, something like that, right? maybe they do stuff like that, i don't know. but yes, you're right. oxman hasn't been around mj in at least 4 years. chopra claims that he kept tabs on mj thru nanny grace, which begs all sorts of questions for me again about intervention. according to chopra, grace would call him when mj was 'running close to the edge'. well, when was this? how often did she call you since the end of the trial? even if it happened once, did he ever alert his family to the danger, particularly katherine? what about grace herself? she claims to have loved the kids, but not enough to call their father's family or someone else to get him help? if mj was so drug addicted, wouldn't his blood have shown elevated levels of whatever he was taking, obviating the need to look further for a cause of death? even if murray had given him propofal, he would have been home free if the coroner had found a cocktail of drugs in mj's system, wouldn't he? again, all so confusing. Don't forget his own family. | |
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eh everyone in hollywoods had a drug problem at some point, he just loved the divas | |
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Timmy84 said: OldTeenager said: i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. Yeah they haven't seen Michael in years because once they caught on to him being a junkie, he became unreachable. Michael didn't want anyone staging an intervention. He loved his drugs... If you couldn't get him dope he didn't wanna be bothered....plain and simple.
That is why he was so tight with Elizabeth Taylor! Wait wasn't he hanging out with Liza Minnelli too? Another entertainer with prescription drug problems (not to mention alcoholism)?
I guess the fan in me wants to believe that they turned on him (I mean they DID go to tabloid papers talking about how they were "betrayed" by Mike, lol)... Jacko hung with her too, she was his boozing buddy! Nobody betrayed Jacko he just wanted the meddling friends to mind their business, or he got ghosted. Druggies hang with their own kind. Who wants to hang with someone fucking up their high, talking about an intervention? I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault! | |
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Timmy84 said: babybugz said: that's a nice cover .. isn't there a picture of Adult michael sitiing like that too it's two pics I saw With the king armor and everything. This was during the "Victory" era. there onr of micel sittn like that m 1997 the shoot he did when prince was born anyways this is some good photoshop "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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OldTeenager said:[quote] BoOTyLiCioUs said: kibbles said: you have the nurse claiming not to have seen anything that would indicate drug addiction. tom meseareau says the same thing, that four years ago at the trial he saw nothing, but then you have chopra saying mj was asking him for oxycontin around the same time. then the competing versions of the facts from various family members. it's all so confusing. i guess the autopsy will tell the tale.
if murray is claiming 'ignorance' about mj's unusual problems, it just makes it all the worse for him. even the chef noticed that mj had debilitated in the two months from the time she left his employ until her return. how could a doctor not notice, or have no idea, and more importantly for his defense, apparently not care? how could you be giving a 'patient' who was clearly not well anything? someone with unusual problems and you're going to compound the problems? even if he doesn't go to jail, or even to trial, he can kiss his medical license good-bye. he'll barely be able to get a job at denny's by the time this is over.
a lot of those doctors are covering their asses. if you have noticed that one nurse has given different accounts from her original statement. i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. i'm well aware of Michael's drug problem but does anyone find it strange that the people who are speaking out about his drug use haven't seen him or talked to him for years such as Uri Gellar since 03...Michael was using them then or brian oxman who hasn't worked for the family in awhile. Yeah they haven't seen Michael in years because once they caught on to him being a junkie, he became unreachable. Michael didn't want anyone staging an intervention. He loved his drugs... If you couldn't get him dope he didn't wanna be bothered....plain and simple.
That is why he was so tight with Elizabeth Taylor! glad you know everything there is to Michael Jackson!   | |
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mimi07 said: Timmy84 said: With the king armor and everything. This was during the "Victory" era. there onr of micel sittn like that m 1997 the shoot he did when prince was born anyways this is some good photoshop I loved that pic of him and little MJ, Jr. | |
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According to Friedman on showbizz411, Nanny Grace is shady as hell. But anyways what about Mark Lester who claimed to be such close friends with Michael? Did he do anything to help? & those pics of their last Xmas I believe that Star Wars actress was in it so he was hanging out with non junkies. | |
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 I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault! | |
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StillDirrty said: According to Friedman on showbizz411, Nanny Grace is shady as hell. But anyways what about Mark Lester who claimed to be such close friends with Michael? Did he do anything to help? & those pics of their last Xmas I believe that Star Wars actress was in it so he was hanging out with non junkies.
Not that I know of @ Mark. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: i have a question for those who remember the thriller megamania...is this as big as it was or bigger?
i was a teenager when thriller was released. i had just gotten my walkman with my first paycheck. when i placed the cassette on the counter, the cashier at the record store said, this is a really good album. i used to listen to it every night while i was doing my science homework - and i got a 'c' in science as a result! i was hoping that i would see thriller nominated for some grammys the following spring, but it had been released too late. however, only a few short weeks later, motown 25 came on. i lied to my employer so i could leave an hour early from work. we didn't have a vcr - too expensive back then. when the jacksons came on, it was all over. they were so exciting doing a medley of the j5 hits. but then it was just mj. i swear my stomach did flip when i saw that moonwalk. omg! it was just so...i don't know. all i can say is my jaw dropped. the next day, it was all anybody could talk about. i wasn't aware of the whole mtv thing, but i can tell you, after motown 25 he probably really didn't need them as much as they needed him. over the next year, it was crazy. yes, thriller mania was crazy, beyond crazy. still, even then, his family was causing trouble, the media got in their shots, there were all sorts of questionable business people around him, and jessie jackson was there.
but yes, i will never forget thriller. like prince said, it was a moment in time never to be replicated. his death is just as big, in a morbid kind of way. [Edited 8/13/09 20:21pm] | |
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OldTeenager said: HELL NAW!!!!  | |
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OldTeenager said: Aw hell naw, lol | |
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OK, I'm not making this shit up but, uh, remember that African tribe that "crowned" MJ as "the prince of the Ivory Coast", well they found another Jackson.
Not Jermaine, not Tito, not even Papa Joe but... JESSE JACKSON! 
I just saw it on The Telegraph, I'll show the picture. | |
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Timmy
Have you seen this picture
Conrad partying it up TMZ has to post this  | |
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what about the allegations in 93? I was about 7-8 when they came out. I just remember a bit of it on the tv. How was the reaction? People very surprised or not? Did people have an opinion-mainly guilty or not? | |
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Copycat said: Yes, MJ was a junkie who placed his life in the hands of a financially-strapped, unethical doctor who was fully aware that you can't use an addictive pre-surgical drug like Propofol as a sleep aid.
When your stomach is growling sometimes it over-rules logic. The financially-strapped doctor felt like if he didn't enable Michael he would have a conscious at night, but would have still been broke.  
I don't think he was trying to kill him, he just wanted to get paid. I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault! | |
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OldTeenager said: Copycat said: Yes, MJ was a junkie who placed his life in the hands of a financially-strapped, unethical doctor who was fully aware that you can't use an addictive pre-surgical drug like Propofol as a sleep aid.
When your stomach is growling sometimes it over-rules logic. The financially-strapped doctor felt like if he didn't enable Michael he would have a conscious at night, but would have still been broke.
I don't think he was trying to kill him, he just wanted to get paid. negligent homicide | |
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Oh yeah, I remember two weeks Geraldo's bro talked to some strip club owner in LA where Murray was at. Strip club employee saw Murray hitting on some girl and talking shit about Michael. [Edited 8/13/09 20:44pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: mimi07 said: they aid he ha a cell phont but DID NOT KNOW THE ADDRESS!!!!! then he said there were no land lines BULLSHIT.... he could've came up with something better than that He's a perjured, dumbass, illiterate fart knocker.  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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suga10 said: Timmy
Have you seen this picture
Conrad partying it up TMZ has to post this Yes I saw it. I don't know if it was TMZ or the Sun but I saw this posted earlier on another part of MJ tribute thread, lol. | |
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suga10 said: Timmy
Have you seen this picture
Conrad partying it up TMZ has to post this  "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: what about the allegations in 93? I was about 7-8 when they came out. I just remember a bit of it on the tv. How was the reaction? People very surprised or not? Did people have an opinion-mainly guilty or not?
Shock is the only word to come up when we heard the allegations. I was 9 but I remembered the hysteria. | |
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ehuffnsd said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: yeah but still malpractice not disagreeing with you, but you need to remember Michael is not a victim in this. there are only 3 ends to drug addiction. Jails, institution and death. Addicts abuse drugs because they WANT TO! They can seek help. People actually kick the habit but ONLY if they want to. Real addicts make excuses.... I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault! | |
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suga10 said: http://www.tmz.com/
Dr. Conrad Murray: I Had No Idea ...
Posted Aug 13th 2009 6:00PM by TMZ Staff Dr. Conrad Murray says he didn't have a clue about Michael Jackson's "very unusual problems" when he signed on to be his doc. Murray, through his lawyer's publicist, told CNN Dr. Murray didn't know what drugs Jackson was taking or whether he was addicted when he accepted the gig. And get this ... the publicist says Dr. Murray had no way of knowing, other than accepting Jackson at his word, if he was taking drugs. Remember, we broke the story that dozens of injection sites were found on Jackson's body, including multiple sites on his neck. [Edited 8/13/09 19:08pm] What the hell are these "very unusual problems" they keep referring to? The last time I looked,insomnia wasn't an unusual problem. Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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how is dr murray going to live after this..
knowing he killed the king of pop around the world, he's gonna have to have security guards on watch 24/7 if he's in a prison cell with someone he'd better watch out  | |
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