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Printablejiorjios said: ehuffnsd said: Xtina is different. Beautiful is solely credited to Linda Perry. It's probably her biggest hit. Isn't Genie her biggest hit? 'Beautiful' out-shined 'Genie' on all levels. Hell, even 'Lady Marmalade' out- shined 'Genie'. I love how people downplay Christina's vocal talent but overly-praise Beyonce's. In reality, they are both great vocalists, however Christina has a higher octave range than Beyonce, if you want to get technical with it. Not to mention, that 'Beautiful' and 'The Voice Within' (hell,even 'Reflection' and 'I Turn To You') have waay more substance than pretty much all of Beyonce's musical catalog...that includes her in Destiny's Child as well. Beyonce sings songs with catchy hooks and beats and that's about it...Christina outgrew that after her first album. Seriously, most people have said that Beyonce has a great voice, but the majority of her hit songs have lyrics that really don't say much, which is one of the problems I have with her. I'd rather her sing the phone book than hear her sing 'Put a Ring on it' again. If she wants credit for those simple-ass, no-brainer lyrics than more power to her, but her voice is soo much better than the shit she sings and I really think she sells herself short by performing songs with little to no real substance or depth. Just my  Prince Rogers Nelson
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estelle81 said: jiorjios said: Isn't Genie her biggest hit? 'Beautiful' out-shined 'Genie' on all levels. Hell, even 'Lady Marmalade' out- shined 'Genie'. I love how people downplay Christina's vocal talent but overly-praise Beyonce's. In reality, they are both great vocalists, however Christina has a higher octave range than Beyonce, if you want to get technical with it. Not to mention, that 'Beautiful' and 'The Voice Within' (hell,even 'Reflection' and 'I Turn To You') have waay more substance than pretty much all of Beyonce's musical catalog...that includes her in Destiny's Child as well. Beyonce sings songs with catchy hooks and beats and that's about it...Christina outgrew that after her first album. Seriously, most people have said that Beyonce has a great voice, but the majority of her hit songs have lyrics that really don't say much, which is one of the problems I have with her. I'd rather her sing the phone book than hear her sing 'Put a Ring on it' again. If she wants credit for those simple-ass, no-brainer lyrics than more power to her, but her voice is soo much better than the shit she sings and I really think she sells herself short by performing songs with little to no real substance or depth. Just my You nailed it. | |
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Calluout said: kitbradley said: When did this happen???? Do you mean Beyonce? I can't stand Bey's fake ass but it's absurd when people act like she can't sing. She has an amazing voice. Not to me she doesn't. I think she can use it to the best of her abilities, but I have never been blown away by her singing and I've seen her perform countless times. It's like there's no "there" there....a lot of vibrato and microphone echo, scales and a nice tone. I like her voice well enough, but it goes in one ear and out the other without really landing a punch...like cotton candy. But like I said, I don't really begrudge Prince working with her. For a period of time he seemed taken with her for whatever reason. I'm just thankful that that season seems to have ended and he's found other muses or whatever. "Be glad for what you had baby, what you've got..." | |
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bettybop said: Calluout said: Do you mean Beyonce? I can't stand Bey's fake ass but it's absurd when people act like she can't sing. She has an amazing voice. Not to me she doesn't. I think she can use it to the best of her abilities, but I have never been blown away by her singing and I've seen her perform countless times. It's like there's no "there" there....a lot of vibrato and microphone echo, scales and a nice tone. I like her voice well enough, but it goes in one ear and out the other without really landing a punch...like cotton candy. But like I said, I don't really begrudge Prince working with her. For a period of time he seemed taken with her for whatever reason. I'm just thankful that that season seems to have ended and he's found other muses or whatever.   "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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Prince made a BUSINESS move when he got down w/ her in 2004. Christina can sing but she needs to quit TRYING to PROVE that she can sing. ...Seems like she's on every awards show as the least talented member of a jazz ensemble - trying to sing difficult shit that only Ledisi among today's artists should be trying. All those females that were mentioned in this thread - Brittney, Ashlee, Nicole, whoever... PLEASE. I'm no Beyonce lover but don't group any of those girls into this conversation. ...And why on earth is the world still asleep to Goapele, Ledisi, and even Laura Izibor? | |
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Beyonce has been in the music biz since she was a teenager. She's had several hits with a group and without. Not stop touring, movies, make-up spokes model,clothing lines, perfume and etc.. To say she has not paid her her due is really silly. She has worked her ass off. There are some people on here who feels she needs to take a long,over due and much needed break. Vanity, Apolonia, Ingrid C, the girl from 3121 and that other nobody from his last cd? Please show me a video of all there awesome talent. I completely missed it. | |
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vainandy said: Calluout said:
So you think he just did it for the exposure and didn't give a damn about her quality as an artist? Hmm. Exactly. He's always preaching about the importance of "real music". Hell, I ain't never heard no real music coming from her. I think back a few years he saw potential in her, but now he realizes she's just about the 'show', glitz and being the 'it' girl in the industry. I don't think he necessarily respects her all that much these days. Change it one more time.. | |
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legendofnothing said: Beyonce has been in the music biz since she was a teenager. She's had several hits with a group and without. Not stop touring, movies, make-up spokes model,clothing lines, perfume and etc.. To say she has not paid her her due is really silly. She has worked her ass off. There are some people on here who feels she needs to take a long,over due and much needed break. Vanity, Apolonia, Ingrid C, the girl from 3121 and that other nobody from his last cd? Please show me a video of all there awesome talent. I completely missed it.
good point. If P bothered with those girls then why on earth would he NOT respect Beyonce who at least can sing and has co penned some of her songs and dances pretty good too. she has outsold all of Prince's proteges combined. I'm no super fan of Bey but to suggest that Prince doesn't respect or now or has ever respected her is kind of reaching. I think it more apt to ask whether he respects any woman. 
but uh...he still wanna knock them boots I think. [Edited 8/15/09 15:41pm] | |
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DesireeNevermind said: legendofnothing said: Beyonce has been in the music biz since she was a teenager. She's had several hits with a group and without. Not stop touring, movies, make-up spokes model,clothing lines, perfume and etc.. To say she has not paid her her due is really silly. She has worked her ass off. There are some people on here who feels she needs to take a long,over due and much needed break. Vanity, Apolonia, Ingrid C, the girl from 3121 and that other nobody from his last cd? Please show me a video of all there awesome talent. I completely missed it.
good point. If P bothered with those girls then why on earth would he NOT respect Beyonce who at least can sing and has co penned some of her songs and dances pretty good too. she has outsold all of Prince's proteges combined. I'm no super fan of Bey but to suggest that Prince doesn't respect or now or has ever respected her is kind of reaching. I think it more apt to ask whether he respects any woman.
but uh...he still wanna knock them boots I think. [Edited 8/15/09 15:41pm] Yeah...I know, right....lol...Besides Shelia E, Beyonce is one of the few women that Prince has worked with who has talent... I laugh when I read folks on the Org starting threads like this.....It's as if they forget who Prince is..... | |
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bobsteezy said: Jumpin in
Prince made a BUSINESS move when he got down w/ her in 2004. Christina can sing but she needs to quit TRYING to PROVE that she can sing. ...Seems like she's on every awards show as the least talented member of a jazz ensemble - trying to sing difficult shit that only Ledisi among today's artists should be trying. All those females that were mentioned in this thread - Brittney, Ashlee, Nicole, whoever... PLEASE. I'm no Beyonce lover but don't group any of those girls into this conversation. ...And why on earth is the world still asleep to Goapele, Ledisi, and even Laura Izibor? I love all three especially Gi-Gi... the answer is a combo of things that might need its own thread.(they keep their clothes on)..I was just listening to Laura the other day and hope she gets as many ears as possible. | |
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lastdecember said: WHY would PRINCE care about Beyonce writing songs or not, i mean this is a man that Worked with the talents of Vanity and Apollonia (the latter whom had never been behind a microphone till 1984), this is also a man that said Ingrid Chavez was one of the most talented singers he had come across?? I mean come on now
exactly, i dont know why prince fans swear he is the authority on talent and integrity in music, its obvious by looking at the female 'singers' prince has put out that he values tits&ass over talent. | |
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lowkey said: lastdecember said: WHY would PRINCE care about Beyonce writing songs or not, i mean this is a man that Worked with the talents of Vanity and Apollonia (the latter whom had never been behind a microphone till 1984), this is also a man that said Ingrid Chavez was one of the most talented singers he had come across?? I mean come on now
exactly, i dont know why prince fans swear he is the authority on talent and integrity in music, its obvious by looking at the female 'singers' prince has put out that he values tits&ass over talent. you forgot to add "blind devotion". I think his proteges honestly think he's going to make them bigger than Madonna between two slices of bread. | |
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babynoz said: TonyVanDam said: 1. I never brought another Prince album since 3121.  But you're more than welcome to tell me what it feels like to waste your money on Planet Earth & Elixer like you have this decade. 
2. As good as Beyonce is (and I say "good" loosely), anyone (including yourself) that dares to put her in the same sentence as Tina Turner, Patti LeBelle, Aretha Franklin, OR Chaka Khan really and truly needs to be ashame of themselves. Seriously!
3. As for Beyonce being the best of her generation of female artists, you AND BlaqueKnight are both correct. Why? Because Beyonce does NOT have any real rivals in her generation. ---Christina can compete in singing, but not dancing. ---Britney can't sing at all and her dancing ability has decline. ---Rhianna is basically a poor man's Beyonce. Sad but true. ---Shakira can compete in dancing, but she sing like a lamb! 
---Nicole is more sucessful as leader of the PCD than as a solo artist. ---Jessica is more successful at reality TV than her music. ---Ashlee can't lip-synch worth a damn, never mind sing!
---Miley couldn't get anywhere close to Beyonce-type success until her Disney-pop days are finally over (and yes, she can't sing neither). People and critics alike can make every positive and/or negative comment about Whitney/Mariah/Madonna/Janet all they want. At least those 4 artists know among themselves that they are great rivals within their generation. Beyonce doesn't have that kind of situation within her younger generation AND that is a great reason why I should NEVER be force to give her too much credit to begin with. End of. What's up with you going all the way to west hell and back and rambling all over the place...did you even read what I said??? First of all, neither 3121 or Planet Earth are protege albums so that statement is irrelevant to this thread. Pay attention this time. I did NOT say anything about Beyonce out-singing Patti, Mavis or Chaka. What I said was that she can out-sing the PROTEGES that Prince has released albums for such as Carmen, Vanity or Ingrid. PRO-TE-GES...get it? 2. Show me where the hell I said anything about Beyonce being the best of her generation??? I said that she was popular and that she can sing...that's the only credit I gave her, period. I have no idea why you're pulling all these other names out of your ass that I never mentioned. Try responding to what is actually written and stop trying to get creative with other people's words. It's like THIS: when you use your freedom of speech to take a cheap shot at me, expect a cheap shot to be fired right back at you. 
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Agree, she would be nowhere without them. Can you imagine where she would be now professionally, what kind of job she would be doing today, if her daddy hadn't been there?...
Calluout said: Flowerpower said: I don't know about Beyonce, she just doesn't have "It" for me. I mean I just don't see a coolness factor for her like I see in Madonna, Debbie Harry,
Donna Summer, Grace Jones, Vanity , Kelis. I try but she just too clean for me. [Edited 8/9/09 19:53pm] That;s because all the women you mentioned are individual, innovators, and controlled their careers. Bey is just her daddy and Jayz puppet, and that's why I have never been able to connect with her as an artist. | |
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