I still don't get why Lisa said he sucked in bed in Rolling Stone?

PLAYBOY: How would you characterize your taste in sex?

PRESLEY: Probably "porn style." [Laughs] I am a little dark on the subject. I like it rough, the way they do things in porn movies.

Timmy84 said:

That's ok. I feel bad. I always have defended Michael when people say that he wanted to be white. But sometimes I ask myself, "what is his obsession with white people?" But then again David Guest did say that he had a crush on Kelly Rowland but I chose not to believe him because he also claimed that he liked to listen to Eminem. Maybe it's true considering they were friends but eh....

So he looked at porn... what man doesn't?

The porn they DID find was all heterosexual and the prosecution trying to pass off illustration art books of children as child porn just showed how desperate and flimsy their case was.
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MattyJam said:

Yeah, and where else was he supposed to store it than in his bedroom? If anything truly inappropriate was found, he would have been in jail just for that or is keeping child pornography legal in California? They had 80 policemen raiding the ranch. This shows they were really "determined" to convict the criminal and they didn´t succee.

Here's another intelligent and thoughtful open ended piece from New York Times writer Bob Herbert. This one may be a bit too smart for some readers.

Behind the Facade

Bob Herbert

Meeting Michael Jackson in the mid-1980s was one of the creepier experiences of my life. I was an editor at The Daily News and had to present him with an award in a large room with just a handful of onlookers and a photographer at Madison Square Garden.

I wasn’t put off by the fact that Jackson, then in his mid-20s, couldn’t make small talk. Lots of people have trouble with that. There was something about his overall behavior that weirded me out. He seemed, even then, to be a person who was trying with all of his being to step outside of reality and leave it behind.

Emmanuel Lewis, the child star of the hit TV series “Webster,” was with Jackson that evening. The undersized Lewis was probably 13 at the time, but he looked much younger, maybe 7 or 8.

Jackson seemed to relate only to Lewis. He made faces at the tiny boy and giggled as Lewis hopped around and climbed over furniture, much to Jackson’s delight. I remember thinking as I left the Garden that Jackson had treated Lewis almost as a pet.

I’ve never heard any suggestion of anything improper about the relationship between Jackson and Lewis. But what I wish I had thought more about in those long-ago days of Michael-mania was the era of extreme immaturity and grotesque irresponsibility that was already well under way in America. The craziness played out on a shockingly broad front and Jackson’s life, among many others, would prove to be a shining and ultimately tragic example.

Ronald Reagan was president, making promises he couldn’t keep about taxes and deficits and allowing the readings of a West Coast astrologer to shape his public schedule. The movie “Wall Street” would soon appear, accurately reflecting the nation’s wholesale acceptance of unrestrained greed and other excesses of the rich and powerful.

In neighborhoods through much of black America, crack was taking a fearful toll. Young criminals were arming themselves with ever more powerful weapons, and prison garb was used to set fashion trends.

Motown was the label that gave us the Jackson 5. But when Michael and his brothers released their first album in 1969, the label had already reached its creative peak and most of the best work — the stunning originality of the Miracles, the Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Martha and the Vandellas, the Supremes, the Temptations, and others — had been done. Hip-hop would soon appear, and then the violence and misogyny of gangsta rap.

All kinds of restraints were coming off. It was almost as if the adults had gone into hiding. The deregulation that we were told would be great for the economy was being applied to the culture as a whole. Women could be treated as sex objects again as misogyny, hardly limited to hip-hop, went mainstream. (Have you looked at network television lately, or listened to the radio?) Astonishing numbers of men abandoned their children with impunity. Most of the nation seemed fine with the idea of going to war without a draft and without raising taxes.

In many ways we descended as a society into a fantasyland, trying to leave the limits and consequences and obligations of the real world behind. Politicians stopped talking about the poor. We built up staggering amounts of debt and called it an economic boom. We shipped jobs overseas by the millions without ever thinking seriously about how to replace them. We let New Orleans drown.

Jackson was the perfect star for the era, the embodiment of fantasy gone wild. He tried to carve himself up into another person, but, of course, there was the same Michael Jackson underneath — talented but psychologically disabled to the point where he was a danger to himself and others.

Reality is unforgiving. There is no escape. Behind the Jackson facade was the horror of child abuse. Court records and reams of well-documented media accounts contain a stream of serious allegations of child sex abuse and other inappropriate behavior with very young boys. Jackson, a multimillionaire megastar, was excused as an eccentric. Small children were delivered into his company, to spend the night in his bed, often by their parents.

One case of alleged pedophilia against Jackson, the details of which would make your hair stand on end, was settled for a reported $25 million. He beat another case in court.

The Michael-mania that has erupted since Jackson’s death — not just an appreciation of his music, but a giddy celebration of his life — is yet another spasm of the culture opting for fantasy over reality. We don’t want to look under the rock that was Jackson’s real life.

As with so many other things, we don’t want to know.

I think most sane people do believe he was a pedofile.

laurarichardson said:

What a crock of shit.

In the real world outside of internet message boards, I don't know a single person who believes MJ was a paedophile.

But then you can't even spell the word...

Paedophile is the correct English spelling you fool.

The fact that you think you have a more educated opinion because you have a family member who is a social worker is hilarious.
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MattyJam said:

I think it's called a typo, it happens. At that, you couldn't argue you point without name calling? Really smart.




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Ok lets ignore the public personality, the music industry public relations on the man. Lets ignore the songs and dance moves you might like.

I saw this on another message board and it made me go wow! Really think about this. Cast your mind back to all the different interviews Michael Jackson did about Neverland & sharing his bed with boys. I guess you can go to the transcripts - but im kinda lazy at the moment But we know what he said about Neverland being about wonder, about being a child. Really everything said it was basically a "holy ground" for everything childlike. Now add Michael saying its ok for boys to sleep with him in his bedroom.Of course he says nothing happened. But really the Public TV image of Neverland was described by Michael as everything innocent. Watch the old interviews and when your watching all these interviews think about this.

Here is a list I saw on another messageboard: A list of XXX Material found in Michael Jackson's Master Bedroom & Master Bathroom. They were out in the open & or in boxes right next to his bed. But most of this was easy to view.

Remember Michael's TV Interviews on the subject when your reading this list! Remember everything in the wide open of Neverland is childlike and loving everything basically sweet & god like to help children. Then Michael in these interviews slips in sleeping in his Bedroom. Michael knowing children will be in his bedroom keeps it as "Adult" as you possibly can? He keeps Porn laying around knowing he is inviting underage boys to sleep there? He knows the Public Image of Neverland is what everyone see's on the 2600 ranch. All the interviews, Everything you see for as far as the eye can see is 100% loving & pure. But as soon as you get to his Bedroom and place he publically invites boys to just ask to stay with him. Because he wont say no. He has XXX Porn everywhere?

Here is the list and really think about what he was up to with inviting boys into his bedroom. You see Disney & Park Rides & Toys & Candy everywhere - then you walk into his bedroom and you see this:


1) ITEM #301: (5) DVD media covers,the covers indicated the

contents were films from the Hustler 'Barely Legal' series.
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2) ITEM number #302: was described as a pornographic magazine located

within the master bathroom at the Neverland Ranch residence.I

found it to be a periodical entitled, 'The Best of Club'.
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3) ITEM #303: (3) Books that contained nude photographs,
found in the master bedroom within the Neverland Ranch...

The first book was... titled Scenes D'Interieur...The book
consisted of a compilation of photographs of nude and/or semi-nude
women, in sexually explicit poses.

The second book was...Camp Cove - Photos Sydney Men... the book
was a compilation of naked and semi-naked men...

The third book was...titled Dressup: Playacts and Fantasies of
Childhood. ...This book appeared to be a compilation of photographs
that appeared to depict either pre-teen or early teen age
individuals. Some of the pictured children were nude and/or
semi-nude.
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4) ITEM #304: (2) pornographic magazines and (2) nude art books found in the master
bathroom at the Neverland Ranch. The Gynoids appeared to
have a fetish (bondage, sadomasochism, piercings, etc.) related theme.
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5) ITEM #305: a photograph of Macauley Culkin, which was
located in the master bathroom.
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6) ITEM #306: a pornographic magazine located within a metal
brief case in the master bathroom.
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7) ITEM #307: a book, which contained nude photographs of
men,found in the master bathroom,titled Bidgood, a compilation
of photographs of nude and semi-nude men.
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this stuff jumbled together. MJ kept a letter from a teacher asking
to bring kids to Neverland alongside his porn! Along with a syringe
and another fan letter>


8) ITEM #309: a black leather bag, which contained
pornographic magazines and pornographic DVDs.

...Within a separate compartment within this front portion of the
briefcase...a 5cc syringe (no needle).

...On the reverse side of the briefcase was a compartment that
contained miscellaneous loose papers and envelopes.

...There was a postcard depicting young boys (clothed) lined up at a
urinal.

...The main compartment contained miscellaneous paperwork,
pornographic periodicals...and two DVD cases that appeared to
contain pornographic material...the first DVD was titled Michael
Ryan's Believe It Or Not...the second DVD was titled Sloppy Dogs
Presents: **** Me, I'm A Bad Girl.

...a letter from a student Councilor/Teacher...wrote of a
desire to bring a group of children to California for the purposes
of meeting with Michael Jackson.

...a greeting card from Erma J. Lardydell...the writer indicated she
sang with Michael Jackson and provided the name of her son, Prince
Alba, who was thirteen years of age...

...The final items within this compartment were the May 2002 issue
of Gallery and the September 2002 issue of Gallery.
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9) ITEM #313: a book that contained nude photographs. This item
was located in the master bathroom...This book was titled Naked As A
Jaybird...some of the pictures depicted sexually explicit activities.
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10) ITEM #505: This item was described as being three books
with photographs of nude and partially clothed children. This item
was found in the downstairs cellar area of the video/arcade area.
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11) ITEM #508...a book depicting nude children...titled The Fourth
Sex, Adolescent Extremes...some of the pictures depicted individuals
wearing no clothing, or in a state of partial dress...
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12) ITEM #509:a book...titled Cronos...the book appeared to be a
compilation of numerous photographs depicting men, women, and
children of both sexes...the majority of the photographs depicted
the subjects completely unclothed, including the male and female
children...
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13) ITEM #510: (2) bags of miscellaneous underclothes and
bloodied bed linen...located in the upstairs library room of the
video/arcade area. The Disneyland bag contained a red Prada brand,
long-sleeve shirt...I also found the bag to contain a white cotton
sheet with reddish brown stains on it, which I believed were
consistent with blood staining. The Garden City Hotel bag had a
white Harbor Bay long-sleeved cotton shirt; a folded cotton bed
sheet...and numerous pairs of size 30 cotton briefs...in total,
there were nine pair of men's cotton brief underwear. Some of the
briefs had discolorations and/or stains, but all pairs appeared to
have been washed.
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14) ITEM #514: the glass vial...seemed to contain remnants of a
substance...submitted to the California...Crime Laboratory...
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15) ITEM #515: medicine bottles, found in the upstairs library
room of the video arcade area...four prescription bottles...

...the first bottle indicated the prescription was prescribed to a
subject named Michael Armstrong...the prescription was for Percocet...

...the second bottle...to Peter Midani...it should be noted this
address was also associated with a
Grace Rwarambu (the nanny) ...the location is actually a television
production company...prescribing physician was a Dr.
Klein...contained Prednisone...

...the third bottle prescribed to 'M.M.'...contents were...'Erytab'...

...the fourth bottle indicated the intended recipient of the
prescription was Frank Tyson...Dr. Arnold Klein...Beverly
Hills...prescribed this medication...The prescription was for
Alprazolam ...
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16) ITEM #518: prescription paperwork...a prescription for Frank
Tyson...for Alprazolam...prescribing physician was Dr. William
VanValin...a prescription for a Manuel Rivera...for Xanax...the
prescribing physician was a Dr. William VanValin.
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17) ITEM #349: paperwork found within the master
bathroom...letter is addressed to 'Dearest MJ'...the letter
indicated it was from Dr. Farshchian...The letter pertains to a
'program' for outpatient detoxification...
=====


18) ITEM #1001: Barely Legal magazine...found in the
museum/office area...
=====


19) ITEM #1002: a magazine, found in the museum/office area...the
December 2002 issue of 'Naughty Neighbors'...
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20) ITEMS #1003 through 1008: were the beefcake, semi-nude
shots of MJ's nephews, some featuring MJ posed alongside his
nephew(s).
=====


21) ITEM #365: (2) hardbound books...'Robert Maxwell
Photographs'...'The Christy Report Exploring The Outer Edges of the
Sexual Experience'...
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22) ITEM #366: several books and magazines...located within the
master bedroom/den area...

... (5) copies of 'The Nudist'...contained nude photographs of men,
women, and children...

... (19) copies of 'The Nudist, Sunshine and Health'...contained
photographs of nude men, women, and children...

... (1) magazine titled 'Solair Universelle Day Nudisme'...contained
photographs of nude men, women, and children...

...(1) magazine titled 'American Sunbather'...contained photographs of
nude men, women, and children...

... (3) issues of 'Eden'...contained photographs of nude men,
women, and children...

...a softcover book...titled Man, a Sexual Study of Man...depicted
naked males engaged in sexually explicit activities including oral
copulation and anal sex...

...a softcover book...titled Taormina Wilhelm Von Gloeden...a
compilation of photographs, which depicted both adult and juvenile
males, who were posed in the nude...

...a softcover book...titled The Golden Age Of Neglect...the sexual
behavior depicted in this book contained photography which depicted
both male and female subjects, in various stages of undress,
including full nudity. Some of the photographs depicted sexually
explicit activity, including oral sex, masturbation, and digital
penetration...the subjects appear to be within the age range of late
adolescence to early adults...

... hard cover book...titled Before the Hand of Man...a
compilation of photographs which depict nude males...

hard cover book...titled Bob and Rod...a compilation of
photographs of two adult males, who for the most part, were pictured
in full and partial nudity...



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midnightmover said:

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A lot of this article was on point with the exception of the following

"Hip-hop would soon appear, and then the violence and misogyny of gangsta rap."

Hip-hop did not appear on the national scence until 1979 about 10 years after the so-called fall of Motown.

That being said I like to remember Mike for his great singing and wonderful performances. I think that is what most people remember and I think most sane people do believe he was a pedofile or was going to do something to some child at some point and time. I don't think anyone is celebrating that and people overlook it because at the end of the day Mike was never found guilty of anything.

We do have innocent until proven guility in the USA and the standard is not any different for Mike then any other citizen.

TD3 said:

a lot of people can't argue their point on this thread without namecalling....look at midnightmover and OldTeenager.

Paedophile is the correct English spelling you fool.

The fact that you think you have a more educated opinion because you have a family member who is a social worker is hilarious.
[Edited 8/11/09 9:01am]

Paedophile is the correct English spelling you fool.

The fact that you think you have a more educated opinion because you have a family member who is a social worker is hilarious.
[Edited 8/11/09 9:01am]

MattyJam said:

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I am not English and I do not live in England. I used a online dictionary to check your spelling and I found it was wrong. End of the coversation about the spelling.

I know a hell of lot more about this topice than you do because you can't even spot the signs of this sickness.

The people in my family have masters degrees in Social Work and have interviewed and assisted with prosecuting these asshole for over the last 20 years. What knowledge do you have that goes beyond 20 years of hearing the details about these jerks.

MattyJam said:

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I am not English and I do not live in England. I used a online dictionary to check your spelling and I found it was wrong. End of the coversation about the spelling.

I know a hell of lot more about this topice than you do because you can't even spot the signs of this sickness.

The people in my family have masters degrees in Social Work and have interviewed and assisted with prosecuting these asshole for over the last 20 years. What knowledge do you have that goes beyond 20 years of hearing the details about these jerks.

laurarichardson said:

nope. After OJ, it went all down hill for this statement. Especially for minority celebs, once you are accused then you must be guilty no matter what the evidence is. There is no need to insult others and be senile. there are lots of sane people out there that don't believe that Michael is a pedophile. And lots of the people who believe he is base a lot of their information on tabloids, unfounded and incorrect information. There are varying opinions on this case/mj in general and just because someone has a different view then you doesn't make them insane. learn to respect other's opinions and don't be so self righteous.
[Edited 8/11/09 9:35am]

laurarichardson said:

what is your job. Do u have a degree in this field?

laurarichardson said:

I have a bachelor's degree in Criminology as well as took numerous psychology classes such as psychology of sex and abnormal psychology plus I was sexually abused as a child so I know a lot of information on this subject.
[Edited 8/11/09 11:03am]

laurarichardson said:

I have a bachelor's degree in Criminology as well as took numerous psychology classes such as psychology of sex and abnormal psychology plus I was sexually abused as a child so I know a lot of information on this subject.
[Edited 8/11/09 11:03am]

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

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You know I can't respect anyone who thinks that only insane people on the internet think Mike Jackson was a pedophile. Matty Jam started the whole question of sanity not me.

In addition apparently the law enforcement authorities believe these allegations as well not once but twice but I guess they are all crazy as well.

I loved Mike as an entertainer but he had serious problems and to delude yourself about this fact is insane and if I want to state that and think that I can. I don't really need the permission of crazy ass MJ fans to express my thoughts.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

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Can you fucking read? Did I not say I have family members who have
degrees in Social Work and have worked on sex abuse cases over the last 20 years. I live with these people and have heard it all.

You had another poster on this thread who told you they were a social worker but you onion heads don't fucking want to listen. It kind of makes you all a little suspect that you feel so sorry for these creeps that you are willing to discount anything anyone with any knowledge has to say about it.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

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Can you fucking read? Did I not say I have family members who have
degrees in Social Work and have worked on sex abuse cases over the last 20 years. I live with these people and have heard it all.

You had another poster on this thread who told you they were a social worker but you onion heads don't fucking want to listen. It kind of makes you all a little suspect that you feel so sorry for these creeps that you are willing to discount anything anyone with any knowledge has to say about it.