But Brooke says that he proposed to her several times. & on those phone tapes he says that Tatum had "his nose wide open & he knew that she was playing him."

Oops, sorry I misread your post but I still doubt he had a preference.

Half of the time Diana wouldn't even put Michael on the phone when Katherine called. I believed some hanky panky was going on. Mrs. Katherine didn't like it. Diana was putting it on Michael he probably didn't know if he was cumin or going! It took him a while to get over her. I would have put it on his ass too, she was doing her job!

You really believed Diana molested Michael? Remember he was 11 when he and Marlon (apparently) were living with her. I doubt that seriously. Plus she was in a strange relationship with Berry Gordy (they were still fucking at the time).
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You can never believe what anybody says, even MJ has said things he later admitted were made up (like his relationship with Tatum). Just when you think you know the facts, you're thrown another curve. No one knows what's a lie or what's the truth, that's why people think Mike is a liar to this day for whatever reason. Everybody's lying or making it up, lol.

After hearing so many things a few days after his death, I kept asking "who was Michael Jackson, really?"

Well on the tapes it was very strange. Because he said something like he thought they were together or maybe it was just in his head. & then just the other day on MJJC they were saying that Remember the Time is about Diana not Debbie. So who knows what really happened there.

that's what i'm trying to point out, they are seperate things and you can be one or the other OR both

in the case of MJ it seems he WAS both

and regarding the women he's "been with", not one single person has ever confirmed that MJ has had sex with them, apart from the psycho woman who calls herself billie jean and claims the kids are hers. he was married twice and his last wife said they not only didn't have sex, but never ever slept in the same bed. lisa marie has never confirmed they had sex, she was always very subtle about it. people have suggested he had sex with brooke sheilds, but that was later denied by her

even so, there are plenty openly gay males who have had sex with women for various reasons, usually before they have openly came out, or they have tried to cover up the homosexuality. there are plenty of married men with kids who are gay, i've known at least two who didn't come out until they were in thier forties and worked with and knew more gay people to make them feel there was no shame in coming out

if he was asexual as some have suggested, why would he have pornography in his house, especially when most visitors who are not there to perform a service (ie. a job) are kids?

there could be a number of reasons why MJ's gay lovers haven't came forward. they could be married or end up in a bad situation if it was to come out, they may simply want to avoid the media circus. some obviously love and cherish the attention the media brings, but some hate it

and as for those who don't believe and trust certain forms of media they call "tabloid", it was that form of media that broke the story of his death first, and likewise most of the news stories that have been proven as true. the "real" news outlets are less interested in celebrities, which is why they don't report on the stories in the same way. if you deny tabloid reports you are denying a large part of news. all forms of media can print things which aren't true, but most people can tell the smoke from the fire

I doubt "Remember the Time" was about anybody.

in taraborrelli's book he says that diana made some rude comment about "muscles" saying she didnt know if the lyrics were made for her or him...does anyone know about that if it's true?

Well on the tapes it was very strange. Because he said something like he thought they were together or maybe it was just in his head. & then just the other day on MJJC they were saying that Remember the Time is about Diana not Debbie. So who knows what really happened there.

I think Randy made that up. I never seen any account of Diana even saying this. If Diana thought the song was weird, she wouldn't have ever agreed to do it. And the way that song was done, it sounds so much like what Janet did later (with the fingerclaps, the doo-wop backgrounds and the breathy singing by Diana, Janet emulated all of that! ).

Diana was obviously a big influence on Janet's career partially due to MJ's ties with her.
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isn't that the problem with most child abuse cases? there is no definitive proof? it's the word of a child against the word of an adult? an adult who may have money for good lawyers and be able to play mental tricks on kids to keep them quiet?

did MJ hide his homosexuality as he was convinced the world would turn against him if he came out as the person he really was? was the world in love with who the thought MJ was, instead of the real MJ?

I think Randy made that up. I never seen any account of Diana even saying this. If Diana thought the song was weird, she wouldn't have ever agreed to do it. And the way that song was done, it sounds so much like what Janet did later (with the fingerclaps, the doo-wop backgrounds and the breathy singing by Diana, Janet emulated all of that! ).

Diana was obviously a big influence on Janet's career partially due to MJ's ties with her.
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PRESLEY: Here's the thing: For awhile, Michael was like the Wizard of Oz, the man behind the curtain. At one time he was really good at manipulating a Howard Hughes type of image: "He's mysterious, fascinating." He became this freak. And now he can't get out from under it. When you're the king of your own palace, there are no morals or ethics or integrity. Everyone will kiss your ass and then give you the push that knocks you over.

And Joe Jackson was sure jealous, according the the Jacksons movie.

Even if there is no evidence such as physical, you can still tell by the child's behavior. For example, when I was sexually abused as child, my dad said he noticed in pictures and in general that i didn't smile like i used to. I also noticed during the time i was being abused, i became overweight and over ate. I was very healthy before the abuse happened. So with Gavin as being a cancer victim, even if something had happened between them, his health would of gotten worse and he wouldn't of been cured of cancer.

I think the media misquoted Brooke. Also why all of a sudden was Brooke saying he proposed when she dissed similar rumors when he was alive? Something just don't add up at all.

He never actually formally proposed to me, though. He would sort of say, "Why don't we adopt a child together? The way your heart works is what I want in my life," and I said to him, "You're always going to have my heart, we don't need to adopt a baby, and I think it's wonderful that you want to have children, adopt a child." I wanted to fall in love and get married and have my own babies, and I said, "I don't think that you need to necessarily do that...so he would reach out to someone like me and say, "How can we make a difference, it's easier to adopt a child if you're two people." He never said, formally, "Will you marry me," it was never that for me, he never was that definitive, but I think he was a guy who kept searching for happiness."

Also if MJ was really afraid of his dad or would vomit in his presence, you think he wouldn't have had the balls to fire him as his manager after turning 21? And then have private arguments with him (as he said in the alleged phone calls?). This coming from a man who when he was 16 actually told to Berry Gordy's FACE that he wanted himself and his brothers to have the control to write and produce their own recordings in Motown? He rebelled like Marvin, Stevie and, later, Diana did. When Berry rejected, Michael left. Michael and Berry didn't have any contact until Motown 25 where they buried the hatchet.