are you blind? why should i believe a word that quote says when he implies the first book is pornographic

Even here on the org, the MJ hardcore are more or less monopolizing the discussions (check out the sticky for evidence of that, as well as this thread).

midnightmover said:

I just asked you to back up some of the claims you were making and you couldn't (see above)


Next up, mj the alcoholic!!

unique said:

The sad thing is that the blinkered fans' viewpoint is being bolstered right now by the media and public at large. People with entirely reasonable concerns are being intimidated into silence. Even Martin Bashir is whitewashing the picture he himself painted not so long ago. See how Joan Rivers recently was going to make an MJ joke, but the horrified gasps of the people made her backtrack and turn her fire on Brooke Shields instead. Even here on the org, the MJ hardcore are more or less monopolizing the discussions (check out the sticky for evidence of that, as well as this thread). I just got an orgnote from someone who feels strongly about the issue but she's too intimidated by the mob of delusional MJ fans to actually speak about it.

midnightmover said:

[Edited 8/10/09 11:01am]

I still don't get why Lisa said he sucked in bed in Rolling Stone?

I met him at the On the Rox, the club Lou Adler & Jack Nicholson opened upstairs from the Roxy on the Sunset Strip. Michael was around 17 at the time, about 5 years older than me, & he seemed very sheltered & fearful & lonely--not at all what you'd expect a world-renowned performer to be. As I recall, he didn't even know how to drive a car.

He gave me his number, & we started talking everyday--long drawn-out conversations that sometimes got so boring I would hand over the receiver to my friend Esme Gray. Michael would just keep on, thinking he was talking to me. His usual subject was sex. At 12 I didn't have much to say about sex--all I knew was that it went on, pretty steadily, in my father's room next to mine. But Michael was intensely curious about anything * everything sexual, though in an incredibly sweet & innocent way.

He was a huge star, but it seemed he barely even dated & knew little about life. He once came to my house & asked to come upstairs b/c he'd never been in a girl's bedroom before. He sat on the bed, & we kissed very briefly, but it was terribly awkward. For all my passionate crushes on people like Dustin Hoffman, I was just 12 & not at all ready for a real-life encounter. So I said,'I can't.' Michael, who was sweating profusely, seemed as intimidated as I was. He jumped up nervously & said,'Uh, gotta go.'
That's the closest I ever got to Michael, which is why I'm amazed by his recent claim on national TV that I'd seduced him but he was too shy to carry it through. I absolutely adored Michael--as a friend--& I admire him to this day. I believe that he fell in love w/ me. I'm told that he wrote the song "She's Out of My Life" on his album Off the Wall for me. What an honor.
At the time of the supposed seduction, I was barely pubescent, & what I'd seen of sex so far was unappealling & gross. It may have been Michael's fantasy that I'd seduce him--and it's a little sad that he cast himself as failing, even in his dream--but it just didn't happen.

I see that those Cyndi Lauper threads were not garnering many replies for you Midnight, so you're back to your old tricks of once again making topics about either Michael, Janet or Madonna 'cause you know those will get the most attention . You and others need to stop acting like you're telling Jackson fans like myself things we haven't heard. You really need to get off your high horse already. You aren't any more informed or knowledgable than anyone else about Michael, so stop acting like you're giving people a "reality check" with your threads and constant assessments of Michael Jackson. You aren't saying anything that Michael Jackson fans like myself haven't been hearing for years.

I have heard IT ALL concerning those allegations. However, instead of just believing that MJ was innocent right away I decided to research about those cases myself and base my opinion on actual facts, not opinions of uninformed people. Based on what i've read about those cases I believe MJ to be innocent. Call me deluded. Call me a fanatic, but I have reasons for believing MJ to be innocent. Besides reading about those cases, I don't believe MJ fits the profile of a pedophille. Pedophille's don't molest children once every 10 years like MJ was accused of doing. Finding a pedo with only two victims is like finding a serial killer with only one body. It doesn't happen. I don't believe it and wont unless I see some concreate proof.

With this post of yours, you are preaching to the choir. People like yourself and others who believe Michael was a child molestor will continue to believe so. Now those like myself who believe him to be innocent will continue to believe that reagardless, so i'm not sure what you were trying to achieve by posting this. Reading this certainly doesn't change the mind of Jackson supporters like myself. Like I said you're preaching to the choir here with that one. People who believe he is guilty will of course agree and those who don't will disagree. A waste of time really. I usually don't reply to your threads about MJ because they are usually full of crap and just you looking for attention, but decided to this one time. I wont be back in here again though. I know this thread will reach like 10+ pages probably but I refuse to argue back and forth with you like others who constantly fall into your trap of attention seeking ways and disturbing need to constantly argue and put down others.

Have a great time debating now about the same shit over and over again and not getting anywhere. No one's mind will change as always, but have fun.

suga10 said:

Well plenty of girls have tried to play him imo. Brooke claiming they were just friends which I don't believe. Why would he propose to her several times then? & it never seemed like he thought that was their relationship. Anyways, Tatum did it as well."From Tatum O'Neal's book "A Paper Life":


She doesn't look 12 to me.

midnightmover said:

u mean you got an orgnote from OldTeenager? How is joking about pedophillia and/or sexual assault/rape ok or funny ever? Answer that question for me. Midnight mover, there are a lot of people that believe michael is innocent that aren't fans. There are actually people who intially thoght Michael was guilty and then looked back at the cases and now believe he is innocent.

im through with this, midnight movers just trolling. good job.

dearmother said:

you believe that is "evidence" of porn, my house must be loaded with porn

didn't they date when michael was 21 and she was 16?

Timmy84 said:

Yes he sensationalizes certain parts and he takes other people's quotes a lot.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

That sentence alone shows how low your IQ is.
That statement alone shows how low your IQ is. What did I say to make you think OldTeenager sent the orgnote? I clearly said they "felt strongly about the issue"? No one who felt strongly about the issue would ever joke about it.

StillDirrty said:

I heard that too. Then again, who knows? Maybe it is true. I'm just saying, you know...

PLAYBOY: You're saying that Michael Jackson is seductive?

PRESLEY: He's not sexually seductive, but there is something riveting about him. He doesn't let people see who he is. When he does, it's hard to shake. I got caught up and thought I was in love with the man. I don't know what else to say.

dearmother said:

You are being highly disingenuous. Firstly, that is not the same edition Mike had. The publsihers changed the cover after it was revealed the book was found in MJ's house. Secondly, that is NOT THE BOOK that showed the sexual acts. I explained this clearly yet you are pretending not to have heard me.

suga10 said:

Well plenty of girls have tried to play him imo. Brooke claiming they were just friends which I don't believe. Why would he propose to her several times then? & it never seemed like he thought that was their relationship. Anyways, Tatum did it as well."From Tatum O'Neal's book "A Paper Life":


She doesn't look 12 to me.

phunkdaddy said:

yeah tatum just doesnt want to sound like a slut, she was doing drugs at a young age too.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I don't know the details all I know is that she was OBVIOUSLY lying.

midnightmover said:

I have a college degree. no need to be senile. I was referring to your comment about Joan Rivers making a pervert joke. I'm just saying there is so many people concerned about this issue yet many continute to make jokes about the issue when it comes to mj, r kelly or catholic priesets. it is disgusting and not a laughing matter.

It could be true.

I just don't don't get what she says sometimes

http://www.lisamarieonlin...layboy.php

StillDirrty said:

that's what i'm trying to point out, they are seperate things and you can be one or the other OR both

in the case of MJ it seems he WAS both

and regarding the women he's "been with", not one single person has ever confirmed that MJ has had sex with them, apart from the psycho woman who calls herself billie jean and claims the kids are hers. he was married twice and his last wife said they not only didn't have sex, but never ever slept in the same bed. lisa marie has never confirmed they had sex, she was always very subtle about it. people have suggested he had sex with brooke sheilds, but that was later denied by her

even so, there are plenty openly gay males who have had sex with women for various reasons, usually before they have openly came out, or they have tried to cover up the homosexuality. there are plenty of married men with kids who are gay, i've known at least two who didn't come out until they were in thier forties and worked with and knew more gay people to make them feel there was no shame in coming out

if he was asexual as some have suggested, why would he have pornography in his house, especially when most visitors who are not there to perform a service (ie. a job) are kids?

there could be a number of reasons why MJ's gay lovers haven't came forward. they could be married or end up in a bad situation if it was to come out, they may simply want to avoid the media circus. some obviously love and cherish the attention the media brings, but some hate it

and as for those who don't believe and trust certain forms of media they call "tabloid", it was that form of media that broke the story of his death first, and likewise most of the news stories that have been proven as true. the "real" news outlets are less interested in celebrities, which is why they don't report on the stories in the same way. if you deny tabloid reports you are denying a large part of news. all forms of media can print things which aren't true, but most people can tell the smoke from the fire

dearmother said:

Michael Jackson was crazy about that slut too...
It's a phone conversation going around with him admitting
the he was in love with her and she used him for material things.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

When did I ever say it was a laughing matter?

OldTeenager said:

I told y'all imo he loves the white girls. To me that is his sexual preference.

midnightmover said:

reread what i wrote. I know it is hard to understand because of the sand in your head but REREAD WHAT I WROTE.