unique said:

That's why 'fan' is short for 'fanatic'. And you'll always have that hardcore base who'll support a star no matter what. Look at Elvis fans - no different.

suga10 said:

Plenty of people. It's called girl talk. She didn't tell Randy himself that. & I never heard about Lisa saying that. The only thing she said was that she felt that he used her and that she fell in love with him. How could she be head over heels in love if the sex wasn't good? No girl is going to be sprung over a guy who is not bringing it to the table. & towards the end they stopped having sex but that's because the marriage was falling apart. Short interview post marriage. She was embarrassed about the marriage afterward but she never denied at the time being in love with him.

& I must add this:Here they are post-marriage while he was married to Debbie. They were STILL seeing each other.

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StillDirrty said:

Yes, they definitely seem to have something going on even after their divorce.

However, the way Lisa talked about him on Larry King during the 2005 trial definitely exposed her true character.

She was nothing but an opportunist who latched onto him when he was considered "well respected" by the public, and then she kicked him to the curb when he was no longer as well respected anymore.




Then she calls him an amazing person in her blog on the day of his death??


That lady confuses me so much
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Yes, they definitely seem to have something going on even after their divorce.

However, the way Lisa talked about him on Larry King during the 2005 trial definitely exposed her true character.

She was nothing but an opportunist who latched onto him when he was considered "well respected" by the public, and then she kicked him to the curb when he was no longer as well respected anymore.




Then she calls him an amazing person in her blog on the day of his death??


That lady confuses me so much

Then again, that came from Taraborelli so you can believe anything... the "oh he's so amazing in bed" thing...

Did they make love? Lisa, say her friends, is a woman who enjoys physical intimacy and would not become involved in a relationship that was not sexual. She was aware that her mother and father had stopped being intimate shortly after she was conceived. In truth, Lisa and Michael had an intense and active sex life which came as a surprise to many people. According to all available evidence, it was the first time he had ever experienced such chemistry with a woman, or with anyone, for that matter. His associates say the early stages of the romance impacted his personality in positive ways in terms of his self-confidence and self-image.' Apparently, Michael Jackson is a ***** in bed,' said Lisa's friend Monica Pastelle. 'Lisa said he was amazing, and she's been around. Everyone was saying "No way, Lisa. It can't be true. Michael Jackson? Are we talking about the Michael Jackson, the one with the glove?" However, she wasn't joking, and it wasn't long before she didn't think it was funny, either.'

Who knows why it became so intense for Michael with Lisa. However, it was this surprising-some may think of it as astonishing-sexual component that most cemented the relationship between Michael and Lisa.

The 'first time' for them was in Florida, during a weekend stay at the Donald Trump's Mar-A-Lago estate in Palm Beach. Donald recalls seeing Michael and Lisa walking hand in hand on his estate, seeming lost in a mutual dream. In a photograph taken that day, Lisa was elegantly dressed in a severely tailored, black silk dress that fell in fluid lines around her shapely figure. Michael was wearing a sharp, black suit, scarlet- colored shirt and a matching tie. At one point, he dropped to one knee and kissed her hand. She urged him to is feet; the two embrace. Michael gazed at her intensely, mesmerized by her face. They kissed. He pulled from his vest pocket a small, wrapped box. When she opened it, Lisa's face lit up. Pearls.

'It was romantic,' Donald Trump recalled, 'Later, I asked Michael how things were going and he said "Great. I just got to kiss the most beautiful girl in the world. I hope I'm worthy of her. I think I might marry her."

'They made love at the Trump estate,' said another one of Lisa's confidantes. 'She said it was intense, it took her breath away. I have no idea what they were doing, or what he was doing to her, but since she gravitates toward the unconventional, she was out of her mind over this guy. Maybe it's hard for some to believe,' she concluded 'but true, just the same'

Timmy84 said:

I didn't listen to all the phone tapes but apparently MJ acknowledges the book and he didn't think that it was bad. It's supposed to be the most credible of all the books.

Presley knows that the world has never thought about her in quite the same way since her second marriage, her 1994 union with Michael Jackson. She is infuriated by this and by the notion that she wanted anything else out of it other than those things most people hope for in a marriage. "All I did get out of it was a shit storm," she says. "And I got out of it. Now people go, 'You seem somewhat sane, you seem pretty together -- what the hell was that all about?' It put a stigma on me. A 'What the hell was she thinking?' stigma."
She says that Jackson first tried to get in touch with her when she was a teenager. She got a message through her lawyer -- "He wants to meet you; he thinks you're very pretty" -- but she blew it off: "I was completely in love with Danny, and I thought he was weird, and I had no interest in meeting him."
A few years later a friend called and said that Jackson wanted to hear a demo she had made. She wasn't interested in being on his label but was persuaded it would at least be good manners to take the meeting. They were introduced at the friend's house, and that is how it started.
"He was very real with me off the bat. He immediately went into this whole explanation of what he knew people thought of him and what the truth was."
Which was persuasive?
"Yeah. You get sucked into the 'you poor, misunderstood person, you.' I'm a sucker for that. Then we sat down to talk, and he was so not what I thought he was. He was very real -- he was cursing, he was funny, and I was like, 'Wow. . . .' I fell into that 'You have this whole Howard Hughes thing that goes on in the press, and you're not anything like that.' "
But why wouldn't he want people to know that?
"I don't know. I think it worked for him to manipulate that image for a little while. The hyperbaric chamber thing and all that monkey shit and the elephant shit. It made him mysterious, and I think he thought that was cool. But then it backfired, like it always does.
"I was always saying, 'People wouldn't think I was so crazy if they saw who the hell you really are: that you sit around and you drink and you curse and you're fucking funny, and you have a bad mouth, and you don't have that high voice all the time. I don't know why you think that works for you, because it doesn't anymore.' "
After that first conversation, they were friends who talked. Then the child-abuse accusations surfaced, and Michael Jackson's world exploded. "That whole shit hit the fan," Presley recalls, "and he was quick to call me and tell me what his side of the story was, so it looked like an extortion situation. I believed him, because he was so convincing." She frowns wryly. "I don't know. . . . I just believed everything he said, for some reason. It's very strange, because there's not a lot of people who he'll allow to see who he really is -- there's probably only five or six people, not including kids, who have seen who he really is. But when you do . . . " She smiles. "He didn't get where he is because he's an idiot. You see a real person who's very much the opposite of what he was presenting." Jackson was under attack, and it brought out Presley's protectiveness. "I got into this whole 'I'm going to save you' thing," she says. "I thought all that stuff he was doing -- philanthropy and the children thing and all this stuff -- was awesome, and maybe we could save the world together." She pauses. "OK. Hello. I was delusionary. I got some romantic idea in my head that I could save him and we could save the world."
At this point she was still married, and they were yet to become girlfriend and boyfriend. "He called me a lot," she says. "Confided in me a lot. Which could be very manipulative -- I don't know. I hung out with him more, and I made the mistake of saying I was not happy in my marriage, and the courting started. And I left [my marriage] probably quicker than I would have, and that was probably one of the bigger mistakes of my whole life.""That is the case. Like I said, I got caught up in this thing of 'it was all a show.' That was my first experience with being accused of that, which was shocking for me."
But, to be clear, is it fair to say that in private you were doing all the things that married people do: kissing, going to bed together, having sex?
"Yeah. That was part of it, for a while. And then it became the Def Con 2. It just got really ugly at the end."
Before that, when it was good, was it your understanding that that was what he wanted?
A pause. "I don't know what he wanted anymore. I know that it looks very timely for him, in retrospect -- the record was coming out, that other shit was happening, and I was too caught up in . . . " She stops, and recasts the thought. "I can tell you my intentions; I can't tell you what his were."

the edition he's referring to is before the lmp stuff, i believe the tapes were recorded in the early 90s
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Timmy84 said:

I didn't listen to all the phone tapes but apparently MJ acknowledges the book and he didn't think that it was bad. It's supposed to be the most credible of all the books.

StillDirrty said:

the edition he's referring to is before the lmp stuff, i believe the tapes were recorded in the early 90s
[Edited 8/10/09 11:05am]

uPtoWnNY said:

i think elvis fans are different in that they know he had his flaws, but they just take everything with a sense of humour, the fat old guys dressing up in the jumpsuits with shades etc. they might love the guy, and he might be the only guy that another guy would ever fuck, but even the craziest fans are more crazy than obssessed. they don't deny themselves that anything they read about him isn't true. the old elvis isn't dead thing is just a joke like beatles fans thinking paul was dead on the cover of abbey road

even prince has shaken off most of the crazy nutjobs, and the thing is when prince does something wrong, the fans will be the first to let the world know about it. he gets little to no support for any of his stupid shit. it seems the bigger the fan, the bigger the abuse prince gets back, as this site testifies

The point of this thread?
And why is one individual trying to be a prosecutor
and convict MJ?
Ah it's football season.

Yeah that was the edition. He also wrote a scathing book on Diana Ross around the same time frame and some facts could've been embellished in that story as well. Because he didn't get much contact with Diana or Michael after 1985.