Thread of 23 pages to insult a dead man.....Pathetic.

I know Michael is better on the other side, he doesn't have to deal with this bullshit anymore.

"Why believe the family is ignorant, uneducated and unable to accept their time has past? The Jacksons are not the only group who wants to get back together and the lead singer does not.

Why not believe what Rebbie said in 1992? That she had not even seen her brother Michael in 3 years. I think he treated them all like that and maybe what Jermaine said in his uncussessful song WORD TO BAD was accurate. I think he felt like that because majority of the family was probably wondering why Michael never comes around. Rebbie had not seen him in 3 years

Thats why i think the nice, shy image he displays is BS. He treats his family like crap. They supported him during the trial when they didn't have to and when they show up at his crib he has security prevent them from coming in.

MJ's family in 2005 could have been like you know you rarely even come around so handle it yourself buddy. There is a reason why Rebbie never came to the trial."

BabyBeMine: read "Jackson Family Values". The author, Jermaine's ex-wife, praises Michael but talks trash about the rest of the family. You will understand one thing: Jermaine, Randy, Latoya, Marlon, Tito, Jackie, Joe and Katherine ARE SHIT! They used to make Michael's life a living hell. Michael would pay their debts and give them money. They treated him like a piece of crap. READ IT! You will stay open-mouthed. The things they used to do to MJ! The concerts in Korea are a big example of that. Jermaine psychologically tortured Michael. I will not mention what the Jackson brother, mainly Jermaine, did to their wives. I will not mention what they used to do to Michael. I will not mention that Katherine is the devil. I will not mention that Jermaine was sooooo jealous of Michael that he did REALLY awful things. READ IT!

His family treats him like crap. I don't blame him for not wanting to be around them. Read the book, and you will see why.


"There is a reason why Rebbie never came to the trial"- LOOOLLL! She appeared in the trial! Where in the blue hell did you read that? In the day of the verdict, the entire Jackson family (read brother, sisters and parents) was present. Rebbie was there many times. Janet was the only one who, sometimes, couldn't be there. Apparently, it has something to do with having a job.

MOL said:

I actually read the book (you can find it in its entirety online), but I don't remember coming away with such a harsh assessment of the family. Jermaine's wife RARELY mentioned Michael--goodness knows she had more than enough stories about Jermaine's exploits to share.

However, I don't think there's anything sinister or unusual about Michael not being in his family's face 24/7. It happens. It's called GROWING THE FLUCK UP AND GETTING YOUR OWN LIFE.

I come from a family of 5 and can also go YEARS without seeing some of them. That doesn't mean there's been a tiff. People get busy with their own lives but I know who my siblings are and that they're there if I need them--even if it had been 3 years.

So now I guess he's a pedophile because he didn't attend weekly family dinners.

Karen71 said:

Hey! I'm defending Michael Jackson. Read my posts. I don't think he was a pedophile. In fact, I think he was a humanitarian and a very pure person!

MOL said:

I know. That was actually written in support of your post. Guess I should've made that clear.

So much bullshit my computer couldn't handle it

mrsnet said:

I saw the interview when it was playing on the first run show. I don't know the exact wording of his statement like obviously you do. I just rememeber catching my breathing and feeling very uncomfortable even though I was at home watching this on TV. My point stands... where in the hell was his handlers???

Secondly, you are wrong about Chandler's description of MJ's dick. Why would the prosecution try to have the photo submitted as evidence of how accurate Chandler's description was, unless it matched? They were very clear about that.

midnightmover said:

The two parts your leaving out and it is really the smoking gun to MJ being guilty with his "sexual actions" of the 1993 boy is Yes the Prosecution wanted those photos in! Your 100% right! But the other half is MJ & HIS Lawyers wanted them to stay out!

If they didnt match, why would MJ fight to keep them out? That would have put a solid nail in the coffin of the 1993 section of the trial. No One would have listen to another word if those photos didn't match.

Another thing The Judge looked at the evidence and didnt want it to come in because he thought it would damage this case! Basically saying if this 2003 case is weak or having problems.. AFTER The Judge seeing these photos & evidence of the photos from 1993. He was worried the jury would convict because of his past "issues". So he didnt allow them in.

There is your smoking gun!

Not to mention MJ's Phone Sex with Terry George in 1979 (before the Pepsi Burn & pain killers) & his Bed,Wine & Graphic Sex Talk with Frank Tyson in 1995.

...and of course his Pay Off of a Boy in 1990.

prodigalfan said:

The floon is being dishonest. Your memory is entirely correct. The scene the floon is referring to where he said he gave up his bed to Gavin is not the same one you are thinking of. In the scene you are thinking of, Michael not only admitted sharing his bed with boys, but he advocated it, saying it was "the most loving thing you can do, to share your bed", which begs the question, exactly what kind of "love" is it that has to involve bed-sharing? He had children of his own. Why not just give his "love" to them and have them in his bed every night? Why invite other people's children into his bed? And let's be honest here, it was only ever boys who were invited to share intimate one-on-one time with him. They tended to have a similar look too, which leads you to think he had a type. Where were the black boys? After Emanuel Lewis (who never shared his bed anyway) he never had any black boys round for milk and cookies. Didn't they deserve some of his "love" too?

BTW, just for the record, you've worked in hospitals for years. Have you ever heard a doctor use the word "milk" as a euphanism for Propofol? "This patient needs some milk" for example. Is that a regular thing?

I don't think it's tabloid that MJ being dropped off at Jordie Chandler's house late at night by his limousine driver and being picked up the next day sounds more like he had a attraction to Jordie which wasn't innocent. What's the excuse for this? Michael's limo driver was lying.

He said he dropped MJ off at Jordie's house at least 30 times late at night and would pick MJ up in the morning. As i said above a 35 year old man does that with a women he's attracted to, not a 13 year old boy.

Add on the accusation and details of it and most likely it was true.That just isn't normal behavior for a 35 year old man to be dropped off at a 13 year old boys house late at night and then they sleep in the same bed.

Makes my skin crawl just thinking about it
[Edited 9/2/09 9:30am]

BabybeMine do you have a life dude. You been arguing about this for the past 3 weeks.

prodigalfan said:

The floon is being dishonest. Your memory is entirely correct. The scene the floon is referring to where he said he gave up his bed to Gavin is not the same one you are thinking of. In the scene you are thinking of, Michael not only admitted sharing his bed with boys, but he advocated it, saying it was "the most loving thing you can do, to share your bed", which begs the question, exactly what kind of "love" is it that has to involve bed-sharing? He had children of his own. Why not just give his "love" to them and have them in his bed every night? Why invite other people's children into his bed? And let's be honest here, it was only ever boys who were invited to share intimate one-on-one time with him. They tended to have a similar look too, which leads you to think he had a type. Where were the black boys? After Emanuel Lewis (who never shared his bed anyway) he never had any black boys round for milk and cookies. Didn't they deserve some of his "love" too?

BTW, just for the record, you've worked in hospitals for years. Have you ever heard a doctor use the word "milk" as a euphanism for Propofol? "This patient needs some milk" for example. Is that a regular thing?

MOL

Question? What is your opinion of Michael's 1996 work with his Newphew's 3 T and the pedophile looking photoshoot cover they did for there album with MJ's nephew looking like a little biat*****. What's the excuse? It was art, OR it wasn't Michael's decision.

Look, any straight male artist would be like hell to the naw i ain't participating in some sh** like that. Remember when MJ wanted Prince to duet on the Bad song. Prince was like you aint singing YOUR BUTT IS MINE to me and i sure aint singing it to you. As a artist you dont have to necessarily agree to do something,. Its obvious MJ must have thought that cover shoot was normal. Maybe cause he likes it.

And that WHY video. OMG they look like a bunch of drag queens with all that feminine makeup.

MOL

Question? What is your opinion of Michael's 1996 work with his Newphew's 3 T and the pedophile looking photoshoot cover they did for there album with MJ's nephew looking like a little biat*****. What's the excuse? It was art, OR it wasn't Michael's decision.

dirtyman2005

The 1996 3 T photo shoot pics is very pedophilish. Im sure he didn't molest his nephews cause that would cause a mess in the family. But i bet he has a copy of those pics and stared at it every night.

Only a pedophile would agree to some pics like that. No current male singer would agree to some sh** like that.

MJ probably thought it was art. His excuse to get a free pedophile pass like his 1993 book "THE LOST BOYS" It was art. A sneaky way and excuse for him to keep it. Only pedophiles have books like that. PERIOD

Just before the trial was due to take place, Jordy Chandler was almost run over. After missing him the first time the driver turned around and tried again. His father was threatened, received a dead rat in a box and had his office ransacked. Chandler's lawyer received death threats and had pornographic graffiti sprayed on his office shortly before they accepted Jackson's offer to settle.

Those who didn't settle fared much worse. Victor Gutierrez, a Chilean journalist who claims to have seen a tape of Jackson having sex with minors and who wrote a scrupulously detailed book about the Chandler case, says he was visited by Pellicano, who told him "consider yourself dead". When Gutierrez was beaten up in the street by three men, Pellicano was on hand, drawing up in his black Lexus and laughing at the bleeding Chilean. There have been plenty of death threats since then.

Perhaps because he endured so much ridicule, Jackson became good at hating. When Sony Music boss Tommy Mottola refused to spend any more money promoting HIStory, the album which cost more to produce than it raised from sales, Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton marched on Sony and accused Mottola – then married to mixed-race artist Mariah Carey and close friend of countless rappers – of racism.

The singer had a list of 25 key enemies, including David Geffen and Stephen Spielberg, who featured in a trip to a Malian witch-doctor called Baba in Switzerland in 2000, when for $150,000 Baba promised they would die within the week, and sacrificed 42 cows to ensure it happened. That wasn't Jackson's only brush with voodoo: he had already undergone a bath in sheeps' blood and paid mysterious Egyptian woman Samia $1 million to ease his chronic debts of $250m.

So, a tortured soul driven by his demons to the drugs that claimed his life? According to some of those who knew him, his freaky preoccupations should fool no one. It is, they say, all about the fame and fortune.

"Michael Jackson is about as crazy as Colin Powell," says Scottish photographer Harry Benson, who has worked extensively with Jackson. "He knows everything he is doing. He holds his baby over the balcony and everybody goes crazy, but he's in every newspaper around the world."

BabyBeMine said:

So "only" a pedophile would agree to pictures like that?

Dude, get a fucking life!!

Are you that obsessed with MJ because your just jealous that Michael was/is loved by so many people? Or are you jelous that you didn't get molested by MJ? Is that why you're mad? 'cause you didn't get your little booty massaged? Just say it!!!!

I'm sure we can make arrangements to have your pedophilic fantasies come true...

It's not about obsession. Im now simply responding to your post. It's ok to have two different opinions. I dont take what you say personel. If your going to take what i say personel then your the one who will be miserable cause you will be fighting a bunch of ppl in this world who believe MJ is a pedophile. Im not the only one. I actually used to defend MJ but when i have to make 20 excuses then there must be some fire there. The everything is a lie excuse is weak. When MJ says IT's ALL LIES to everything that's a bunch of BS.

And that pic of 3 T is real and YES there isnt 1 male current artist who would take a pic like that at 37 years old with teenagers. Name One