I don't think it's tabloid that MJ being dropped off at Jordie Chandler's house late at night by his limousine driver and being picked up the next day sounds more like he had a attraction to Jordie which wasn't innocent. What's the excuse for this? Michael's limo driver was lying.

He said he dropped MJ off at Jordie's house at least 30 times late at night and would pick MJ up in the morning. As i said above a 35 year old man does that with a women he's attracted to, not a 13 year old boy.

Add on the accusation and details of it and most likely it was true.That just isn't normal behavior for a 35 year old man to be dropped off at a 13 year old boys house late at night and then they sleep in the same bed.

Makes my skin crawl just thinking about it
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seeingvoices12 said:

I don't like his hair that way either
But then again, MJ's hairdocs and wigs were always dreadful.



White woman pork face !!!!

BabyBeMine said:

Why don't you get your information from transcripts and facts of the case instead of forming your opinion on whether ex-employees were telling the truth or whether or not he f*cked Brooke Shields. Until then, your arguments are about as much worth as the paper the tabloids you get your information is printed on.

Imago said:

Even Prince's hair looks particularly dreadful.

Katt Williams is funny as hell. I was gonna post that if you didn't.

On topic: MJ had issues. His fame and money kept him from being treated like any other black man as it relates to his peculiar behavior, child molestation allegations, and more. Everything else has been said, I don't need to go into my personal opinion of him...no use. He was a talented dancer but a very disturbed--and disturbing soul. At least his pain is over now.

Superstition said:

Your argument would look a lot better if you at least admitted 1 thing was true. But you have the same mentality as MJ himself. It's ALL LIES

You could say MJ i think you have had more than 1 surgery. He would probably say IT's ALL LIED.

Fact is MJ was at Jordie's crib late at night and left in the morning according to the limo driver.

Question? Why is he going to a 13 year old boys house that time of night to stay there all night INSTEAD of a attractive grown women.

Your answer will probably be the limo driver lied. Whats funny is MJ is the only celebrity in history where everything is a lie from the minor things to the major things. Its all a lie.

BabyBeMine said:

What do you have against this guy. If he was a pedo....his dead, just be happy and move on. You keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

BabyBeMine said:

Ok, the limo driver dropped him off late and picked him up early.

There. And with that, I'm out!

asmith161718 said:

Hi

I tried to tell them that MJ is deceased but I don't think they believe it.

Superstition said:

30 + times. Doesn't that sound like a couple or a booty call?

BabybeMine do you have a life dude. You been arguing about this for the past 3 weeks.

uPtoWnNY said:

I wonder if he thinks same way about Michael Jackson
[Edited 9/2/09 17:58pm]

According to June Chandler, the mother of the 1993 ACCUSER Jordie Chandler.

She admitted that she has not spoken to her son (who is now 25) in eleven years, which she claims is not her choice. Chandler stated that Michael slept in the same bed as her son repeatedly in 1993 even though she had initial reservations. She testified that when she originally turned down a request to let Michael sleep in the same bed as her son, he got upset. "He was sobbing and crying, shaking and trembling," she said. "He said, 'You don't trust me? We're a family. ... (Jordan) is having fun. Why can't he sleep in my bed? There's nothing wrong. There's nothing going on."' Chandler claimed this was during a trip to Las Vegas at the Mirage hotel, which they travelled to in Las Vegas pioneer Steve Wynn's jet.

The Prosecution claim that Michael has a "pattern" of bribing his accusers and their families, Chandler stated under questioning by Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon that the day after letting her son sleep in the same bed as Michael she received a gold bracelet. As well as going to Neverland Valley ranch, Las Vegas and Disneyland, the family were also taken to Monaco for the World Music Awards. Chandler said that she was "given (Michael's) credit card" to go shopping with her daughter. She said she was also later given a ring, a pair of earrings, a necklace and a $7,000 gift certificate for a Hollywood boutique as gifts.



MJ crying cause he can't sleep with her son. Aint that some sh****t. Its the little things that make this all add up. Mike was straight up PIMPIN her son and giving her gifts to keep her distant from what was really going on.

The only DEFENSE for this is she was lying. But where is the evidence she made this up? Forget about Evan Chandler the father. What about the mother? Where is the evidence of reasonable doubt that this is a lie.
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When you look at some of the little things, it makes the bigger things seem that much more potentially truthful.

1. 35 year old man being dropped off late at night at a 13 year old boys house 30 + times and they sleep in the same bed.

2. 13 year old accusers MOTHER wants to put a stop to 35 year old man sleeping in same bed as her son and the 35 year old man starts to cry, tremble "WHY CANT HE SLEEP IN SAME BED AS ME"


35 year old man over emotional cause potentially he can no longer sleep in same bed as 13 year old. Now thats interesting

okay,
I will say this. I don't know all the intricate details of the interview, lies, and alleged pay offs.

I do know MJ said on camera that he shared his bed with adolescent boys.

Okay... I am just imagining ANY OTHER ADULT MAN saying that about any child not related to him.

I don't know... it just seems suspect to me... and if it was not MJ... I think it would cause all of you a cause for pause.

I am just saying....

No lies here... MJ himself said... and my reaction was , and then my second reaction was "where in the hell are his handlers?? They should stop the cameras immediately and do some serious editing, RIGHT THERE!

can't we all just move along and celebrate the dead pedophile's music the way he would have wanted us to?

wow yea.... let it be, try peace

BabyBeMine said:

Nope. You are just seeing one version. June Chandler admitted to Pellicano that she didn't think Jackson was a pedophile, that Jordan loved Michael and that she told her son to go on tour with him. When Evan blackmailed June with the custody of their son, she told him, according to Rothman and Pellicano, that Jackson was "a gentleman" and that "she had never been treated so well by a man". She refused to collaborate with her ex-husband. When confronted with that fact, on court, she replied "no comment" and that "she didn't remember". WOW...she must have Alzheimer. What about June Chandler telling Jordan to go with Jackson receiving an award...and to stay in the same hotel room? Do you forgot to read this, BabyBeMine?
Evan Chandler encouraged Jordan to sleep with Jackson. In fact, he told him to build a "small house in Neverland" for the Chandler family.

"She admitted that she has not spoken to her son (who is now 25) in eleven years, which she claims is not her choice."- It's Jordan's choice. Why do you think he stopped talking to both parents? Strange, uh?

"The Prosecution claim that Michael has a "pattern" of bribing his accusers and their families, Chandler stated under questioning by Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon that the day after letting her son sleep in the same bed as Michael she received a gold bracelet."- A pattern? EHEEHEH. If he had a pattern of doing something wrong, he would have done it more than 2 times. What about 240 times [the average for a pedophile]? You are basing your posts on what Sneddon says? That's biased and unfair. June Chandler stated, on court, that Jordan seemed to like the sleepovers. Wade Robson, Brett Barnes and countless others, claim that their mother never received "presents" in order to let their sons sleep with Jackson. What about the mothers who were interviewed? What about a mother saying that she slept in the same room as Jackson and her sons and that she was never forced/bribed to let it happen? What about a mother claiming that her son INSISTED that he wanted to sleep in the same room as Jackson? DID YOU FORGET TO READ THIS?

"Chandler said that she was "given (Michael's) credit card" to go shopping with her daughter. She said she was also later given a ring, a pair of earrings, a necklace and a $7,000 gift certificate for a Hollywood boutique as gifts."- Nope. June doesn't have a daughter. Evan does. Her only child was Jordan Chandler. She said that Michael would give her gifts when she was down because of Dave Swartchz and Evan Chandler. Sneddon said that "It was suspect". Mesereau said that she couldn't prove it. When asked about the Pellicano conversation, once again, she responded "no comment". BabyBeMine: Evan Chandler first talked to a psychiatrist (who testified on court) and described him a hipothetical case of abuse. The psychiatrist, whose name I think is Katz, asked him if the "hypothetical case" had any truth behind it. Evan said "no". The same day, apparently, he talked to Michael confroting him about having stopped talking to him and telling him that he should "build a small house in Neverland" for the Chandler family. He encouraged Jordan and Michael to sleep together. WHY IS THAT? WHY AFTER TALKING ABOUT A HYPOTHETICAL CASE OF RAPE, CHANDLER ENCOURAGES JACKSON TO SLEEP WITH HIS KID? Interesting! After some time, Evan blackmailed Jackson; if he didn't buy him 4 movie scripts worth 5 millions each, something would happen. Pellicano told him that "it was extortion" and that "no money would get out of Michael's pocket". When June Chandler knew about this she, reportedly confronted Evan, who blackmailed her. And, funnily enough, she just started saying that Jackson was a big, nasty pedophile after the blackmail. What is also funny is that Jordan first told Katz that nothing had happened (in a room alone with Evan and Katz). Ohhh!!! Read "MJ conspiracy". You will see a "lovely" photo of little Jordan with some bruises and, according to the timeline, after the first session with Katz. Interesting, don't you think, BabyBeMine?

"MJ crying cause he can't sleep with her son. Aint that some sh****t. Its the little things that make this all add up. Mike was straight up PIMPIN her son and giving her gifts to keep her distant from what was really going on."- I WILL REPEAT THIS FOR THE 1000th time. The prosecution called 80 alleged victims. 1 of them didn't appear: Jordan. Two (Jason and Gavin) said they had been raped. Jason's mama, the maid, said "My son was tickled. I wanted money and I took it". Jason's testimony was full of innacuracies being later dismissed by the jury. The other 77 "victims" said that they WERE NEVER INVITED to sleep in Jackson's room. As Mesereau said "Women testified that they stayed in his room.And by the way, his room is a a two-story duplex, a huge duplex.
That’s what we call his room.And women stayed there, mothers stayed there, parents stayed there,kids stayed there. And any time a child came up to him and said, “we wantto play in your room,” which he has arcade games and that kind of thing,he always said, “I want your parents here right now, and I want their permission.”And the parents were free to stay. And we had parents testifying who did stay.So a lot of this was spin by the prosecution because they wanted to demonize him. They had nothing to deal with in the courtroom."

"The only DEFENSE for this is she was lying."
Listen BabyBeMine: It's her word against the defense's. Who says she is telling the truth? And you know nothing. The defense had Pellicano, Rothman, other boy's moms, et cetera, who said that Jackson didn't do what June said he did. So, the defense had a lot against June. DID YOU READ JUNE'S ANSWERS? Did you read what Pellicano said about her? June remembered talking to Pellicano, but, funnily enough, didn't remember what she had told him! She remember the things Jackson allegedly gave her, but doesn't remember the things she told both Evan and Pellicano. The only thing the prosecution could do was saying that June was "disturbed" and "shocked" and that's why she didn't remember anything. Did you forget to read this... BabyBeMine? What about Katz saying that Jordan seemed stoned? What about Katz talking about early meeting with Evan? You prefered to ignore it. You prefered to just read what the prosecution said.
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BabyBeMine said:

The chauffeur was a part of Neverland five. He was successfully sued by Michael, in 1995. BTW, the chauffer said that in Hard Copy. Besides, he also said that Jackson had raped Brett Barnes. Brett said that Jackson HADN'T raped him.


BabyBeMine...give it up.
[Edited 9/3/09 6:51am]

What about a newsman for KCBS-TV asking Evan Chandler if he had administered a drug on Jordie? Chandler claimed that he had used a drug to pull his son's tooth.
Torbiner, the man who was at the dental consultory with Evan when Jordan said he was raped, boasted that he had $100 a month in overheads and an income of $40000 a month by providing services to various dental offices around L.A. on a freelance basis. At the time of Fischer's article, he was reportedly being probed by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration for adiministreing drugs, such as Morphine and Demerol, to patients for pain unrelated to dental work. In fact, it was Torbine's nondental practice that brought him to the attention of Evan Chandler. He was introduced to Torbine by Rothman, who had hired Torbine at least eight times to apply general anesthetic during hair transplants procedures. Dr. Yarman, responsible for the hair transplants told Fischer that he was "amazed" to learn about Torbine's background. But...does it mean that Evan used sodyum amytal? Fisher went straight to the sources and asked Mark Torbine whether he used sodyum amytal during Jordan's procedure. Rather than deny it, he told Fischer, "If I used it, it was for dental purposes. But yes, I used it".


How can you say, BabyBeMine, that Jordan was raped after reading this?
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MOL said:

I never said June said MJ was a pedophile. I said she said MJ cried when she said she didnt want them sleeping in bed together and the limo driver said he dropped MJ off at Jordies crib late at night 30 + times and picked him up in the morning. Here are 2 questions



1. Why is MJ so emotional just cause he might not be able to sleep in bed with Jordie.

2. Why is he being dropped off at a 13 year old boys house late at night and spending the night in the same bed.

Thread of 23 pages to insult a dead man.....Pathetic.

I know Michael is better on the other side, he doesn't have to deal with this bullshit anymore.

seeingvoices12 said:

If he didn't want to deal with it then maybe like majority of men in this world who are straight. Have your limo driver drop u off at a ladies house 21 and over late at night and not a 13 year old boy which is ABNORMAL.

Sleep in bed with grown women and not 13 year old boys not your own which is ABNORNAL.


If Tatiana or Brooke Shields called MJ and said i want you and im wearing this and that and Jordie Chandler called MJ at the same time. Say around 10pm at night and all said come over. MJ would choose Jordie
[Edited 9/4/09 16:34pm]

I'd cry too if somebody suggested I was a pedophile who wasn't to be trusted with their kid, particularly if I had nothing but the purest love for him.

It is quite possible Michael was immature and simply loved playing with kids.

Evan's own father said Michael seemed to have no use for the mother but preferred instead to be a silly boy with him (dad) and Evan. The dad admitted to getting in on the fun of throwing water balloons and being silly with Mike and Evan.

The family said that Michael (practically) lived with the boy in his mother's house for a month, leaving in the morning when Jordie went to school and returning shortly after he got home. The mother assumed he liked living with a nice, normal family instead of being The King of Pop all the time.

Turning that into him being dropped off in the night for a booty call is ridiculous.

It's amazing how quick people are to judge and sentence a man without knowing half the facts. Soundbites won't do.

Did you know Jordie's father NEVER reported this alleged abuse to police? According to the book written by his brother (with his permission and participation), this was nothing more than a nasty custody battle Michael found himself in. Yes, he should've backed off, said that's your son, he should spend time with you instead of traveling the globe with me, but he was self-centered and clueless about a father's love.

Long story short, Jordie's dad concocts the abuse allegation as a way to rip Michael out of his son's life. He talked to a counselor presenting a hypothetical scenario about a 30something yo sleeping with a 12/13 yo. After more angst, wrangling, and dead ends (inc. trying to negotiate a movie deal with Jackson) he picked up the phone one day and gave the counselor Michael and Jordie's names, knowing the counselor was required to report it.

Then do you know what he did?

He sat at home waiting for social services or someone to act.

NOW, if you thought someone had been raping your child, would you shake the molestor's hand before sitting down to negotiate a settlement with him?

Wouldn't you go directly to the police instead of manipulating a report in that way?

He was and IS full of it.

One more thing: Guess what happened to Dr. Chandler after Jordie received the $20+ million settlement?

Thinking the good doc was into money, people sued him LEFT AND RIGHT...At least one claiming that she suddenly remembered being sexually abused by him while under anaesthesia.

So you see, people DO make up outrageous claims when they think there's an endless pot of gold to dig from.

prodigalfan said:

nope he said 'shared' as in giving up your bed. You obviously did not see the entire show and repeated sound bites from the media. In Bashirs doc. he was actually sleeping on the floor. He said, "let the guests have the bed. I sleep on the floor." And he never said 'adolescent boys' specifically. He said 'anybody' which includes adults, girls, etc.

seeingvoices12 said:

It's just that they cannot tolerate the outpouring of love Mike's receiving on a global scale. And they're scared that this adoration will last for a long long time. And it will. He will always be celebrated. Jealousy is a Biatch.

mrsnet said:

I saw the interview when it was playing on the first run show. I don't know the exact wording of his statement like obviously you do. I just rememeber catching my breathing and feeling very uncomfortable even though I was at home watching this on TV. My point stands... where in the hell was his handlers???

BabyBeMine said:

You clearly didn't read my posts. I've already given you the answer to those questions!!!

BUT I'M GOING TO ANSWER AGAIN:
"1. Why is MJ so emotional just cause he might not be able to sleep in bed with Jordie."- First: June insisted that Jordie went on tour with Michael...and didn't mind the two sharing a bed! Is this normal? No. Was Michael normal? Hell no! Does this mean he was a paedophile? No way. All the parents (thirty two) testified that they had never seen Michael crying or buying them stuff in order to sleep with their kids. The kids were the ones who wanted to sleep with MJ and the parents were invited to sleep with him as well. For the 10000th time:"As Mesereau said "Women testified that they stayed in his room.And by the way, his room is a a two-story duplex, a huge duplex.
That’s what we call his room.And women stayed there, mothers stayed there, parents stayed there,kids stayed there. And any time a child came up to him and said, “we wantto play in your room,” which he has arcade games and that kind of thing,he always said, “I want your parents here right now, and I want their permission.”And the parents were free to stay. And we had parents testifying who did stay.So a lot of this was spin by the prosecution because they wanted to demonize him. They had nothing to deal with in the courtroom."


"2. Why is he being dropped off at a 13 year old boys house late at night and spending the night in the same bed."- I'VE ANSWERED THIS. The chauffeur was a part of Neverland five. He was successfully sued by Michael, in 1995, for saying shit like that. BTW, the chauffer said that in Hard Copy. Besides, he also said that Jackson had raped Brett Barnes. Brett said that Jackson HADN'T raped him. The chauffer, who said that, was sued for lying! SUCCESSFULY SUED. ON COURT, he changed this story and said that he would drive Chandler to Jackson's house everyday and that the two would make out in his car. When asked why hand't he told the police about that, he answered: "No one would believe me." (5 other witnesses said the same). When asked why had his story changed, he said that he had been offered a certain (don't rememeber how much) amount of money in order to do so.

THAT STORY WAS MADE UP BY THE CHAUFFER! HE BASICALLY ADMITTED THAT, ON COURT!



READ MY POSTS!
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