Jordy denied it cause he, MJ and his father were in the same room and it was there little secret. But he admitted it to authorities and gave the details of what happen. Your excuse will be the GQ article BS.

Bottom line is MJ payed 20 million for those details to remain sealed. 20 MILLION

Bottom line is he has been accused 3 times and in 1993 there was a book called LOST BOYS. Only a potential pedophile would have some sh*** like that.

Dude was attracted to boys. And no i didnt make up the Brooke Shields thing. In a inetrview she said MJ was asexual. I wonder why she felt that? Maybe she tried and he wasnt interested

BabyBeMine said:

So you call out diehards for dismissing anything against MJ, and then brush of the GQ article as BS. You're just a different side to the same coin.

Bottom line: there are people who think he's guilty regardless, there are people who think he's innocent regardless, and then there are people who are in the middle, have read the facts and just come to their own conclusion. You are clearly on one of the extreme ends. Your exactly the same as the diehards, except with an opposing view.

MOL said:

and this fact ALONE makes me doubt that the accusation of 2nd molestation actually happened.

It is the FIRST accusation that troubles me.

MOL said:

I am not a so called "expert" but ANY amount of Propofol without close supervision... and I mean close could cause death. It is that serious.
You need to monitor blood pressue, heart rate, heart rhythm, oxygen levels, levels of sedation continuously. How can one person be responsible for all of that overnight? (Don't fall asleep or have to go to the bathroom!)

I can not administer this medication without at least one other critical trained medical personel. And excuse me... I work with cardiologists every day... they are not necessarily critically trained and most likely could not intubate to save their own mother's life let alone MJ. And the reason there should at least be 2 people is look at what happened? Something went wrong and the doctor had to run through the mansion trying to get someone to assist him in CPR. There should have been someone at BEDSIDE qualified and ready to administer CPR right then and there!

He should not have administered that medication in those circumstances. period not even a little bit. And MJ hired this man to do this.. then sorry, MJ was either a fool or made a deadly mistake. (you pick.)

Superstition said:

Im not saying the entire GQ article is BS. I do believe the dad was greedy but i don't believe the Jordy was drugged and rehearsed those statements he gave to police.

Well, I don't know whats true or not but I love this

BabyBeMine said:

Just as there is not 100% proof that Michael is.

Just cause someone is accused of something doesn't mean it happened. It's near impossible to prove something didn't happen, but possible to prove something did, yet it was never proven.

I mean just because Prince was accused and investigated into the passing of his child, doesn't make him a baby killer right? The pointless belief in accusations is just that pointless.

And to it, the pointless back and forth between he is and he isn't is also well played out. No one's mind is being changed, nor do I feel that anyone actually wants their mind changed. Truth be dammed.

The last I'm gonna say on this topic is reposting what I stated yesterday...

I often wonder if those who are so convinced of his guilt have ever bothered to wonder what it must have been like if Michael was actually innocent. Have you entertained the thought that maybe it was an extortion attempt, and maybe the second lot of accusations were by opportunistic people who thought with that perception out there that Michael was an easier target.

Have you for one minute wondered what it would be like to have allegations levelled against you that were not true?

I'm not asking you to change your mind, just asking you to entertain what it must have been like if at the end of the day the man was innocent.

I know as a long term fan of Michael I have certainly entertained the thought and wondered "what if he is guilty". I know that I wouldn't have supported him by buying his music after the allegations if I thought he was guilty. In fact like I would assume most objective fans have, I have trawled through the evidence for and against, read flattery and damning pieces and come to my own conclusion. I am sure I am not the only fan who has seriously considered the facts.

As has often been stated on here, the total diehard fans will not entertain the thought of him being guilty, just as many of those convinced of his guilt will not entertain the thought of him being innocent. And sadly nothing anyone can say one way or the other will convince either side of the opposing view.

To which such discussions are mute.

And with that. I'm out of this.

Swa

BabyBeMine said:

I'VE REPLIED TO THE THINGS YOU SAID MULTIPLE TIMES! Why don't you read the other people's posts?

"Bottom line is MJ payed 20 million for those details to remain sealed. 20 MILLION"
For the 1000th time: Jordie (NOT jordy) said he had NOT been abused, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH PELICANO: MJ WAS NOT THERE. Pellicano asked him if he had been abused four times. Answer? No. June Chandler told Pellicano that Evan was blackmailing her and that he was "out for cash". She was against the lawsuit and said, many times, that Jackson wasn't a child molester. When the psychiatrist asked Jordie if he had been raped, he said "No. I wasn't raped". The psychiatrist SAID THIS, on court! The kid just said he had been raped after being admnistered with Amytal Sodium and refused to testify during the trial. Jordan Chandler, now a man, sued/is suing his OWN FATHER. June Chandler amitted, ON COURT, that her son is mad at her. Read my last posts.
Tell me: why didn't the Chandlers pursue a Criminal trial? They could do that, even with the settlement. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE KID WAS DRUGGED, WHAT ABOUT EVAN CHANDLER ADMITTING THAT HE USED AMYTAL SODIUM TO REMOVE A TOOTH FROM HIS SON?

"Bottom line is he has been accused 3 times and in 1993 there was a book called LOST BOYS."
"3. Book of Naked boys in his room called the LOST BOYS. Please THAT AINT ART"- THE UGLIEST LIE! 70 policemen raided Neverland and found NOTHING! NOTHING! There was a book that had one pic of twins (boy and girl) naked hugging. JUST THAT! There were no books of naked boys. There were no photos of naked boys. Read court transcripts. Sneddon said that nothing "suspicious, including physical evidence" was found at Neverland. Where did the whole "there were photos of naked kids" came from? THERE WERE NO PHOTOS/BOOKS WITH NAKED KIDS.

" I wonder why she felt that? Maybe she tried and he wasnt interested"- So? You accuse him of being a pedophile based on that? Interesting!


Read my posts! You keep using the same arguments over and over and I've answered those "arguments" many times. Are you mentally handicapped or do you prefer to ignore my posts? Ohhhhh!!! I've reached one conclusion: you like attention.

Imago said:

This isn't even humour. It's a guy, awfully dressed, insulting someone.

I'm so glad Prince was just a normal pervert like the rest of us.

Imago said:

How can this be considered pure comedy, its pathetic, he should jump of a cliff,he disgusts me, God with that god awful striaght hair...what a loser.

It's Katt Williams style of humor. Man how did we go from pryor to this shit. It's not even funny....it's just insults.Anyways I hear the dude has some serous mental issues too.

voyevoda said:

Co-sign

Imago said:

Co-sign. That crazy little pimp had me dying with his Michael rant.

MOL said:

Why dont we just agree to disagree because you are taking this way to personal as if MJ is your relative or somethking. The dude was just a freaking singer. He aint nobody's relative on here. I think he was guilty and you dont.

Crying to June Chandler cause he couldn't sleep in the same bed as her son. Why get so emotional over that? Crying cause Jordie said he didnt like being kissed like that. You see the pattern

Of course Jordie said no 1st, cause Michael told him to keep it a secret and manipulated him. You see Jordie if you tell anyone then i can get in big trouble. Now you wouldn't want that would you. Do you want me to go to jail?

Many kids who are molested deny it 1st. Once Jordie did open up he gave up all the exact details of what happened. No drug made him release all thise details from MJ was cool at 1st when they were in the same bed, to gradual hugging, then kissing to then them taking a bath together and it gets much worse after that. No drug made him invent all of that
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MOL said:

It was pretty funny to me.

You wanna see funny MJ jokes listen to chris rock. I love MJ but that joke he did about the 60 minute interview was hilarious. I hear Jermaine found him in a club and nearly kicked his ass. Katt williams is just a little to retarded for me. He reminds me of lil wayne for some reason.. Plus how you gonna make fun of someone for being crazy when you had some mental issues yourself.
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I sorta like Katt Williams, but he curses too damn much and it takes away from the comedy. He makes Eddie Murphy's language look like children's hour.

And what the hell is "vill a largo", Katt?

prodigalfan said:

Dude is a straight up bitch. I don't find sex crimes jokes funny at all. Anyone who jokes and/or finds that shit funny is mentally ill.

Imago said:

I don't understand it either. I found it strange that after the settlement happened they took the money and ran.

BabyBeMine said:

you've been reading "Michael Jackson: Unauthorized", huh?

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

The joke is not about sex crimes Silly. The joke is about how ridiculous it is that MJ was found not guilty.

I also find it strange that MJ had his home a place that catered to little boys instead of women.

Do YOU find that strange?

FFS.

It's just a comedy bit. It doesn't hold weight one way or the other. It's comedy. It doesn't matter if he was guilty or innocent, its an easy target for a joke.

Wrong thread, oops, lol.
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Superstition said:

and I think it was funny as hell. Regardless of whether Katt is crazy as cat shyt or not. That concert/video is the funniest I have seen in a long time.

I wish he wouldn't cuss so much because I would play this for a lot of people.

the skit about smoking weed and doing dumb shyt had me rolling!

From the LA Times from 1993


one of Jackson's chauffeurs said he had taken the entertainer to the boy's house at least 30 times, leaving him off at night and picking him up the following day. Although Jackson never has denied spending nights with the boy, Feldman later said the chauffeur's comments, made under oath, corroborated his client's story.


Most 35 year old men do that for a women, not a 13 year old boy. You see it's the little things that i look at and when you combine it with the accusations it all comes together.

prodigalfan said:

I thought it just catered to kids in general. Michael was just a big kid.
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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

True. When he first moved into Neverland he said it was for the children. I mean the name "Neverland" says it all. Michael never exactly hid this, it wasn't like he was being a playa by day and a Pedo by night. Everything was about children in the first place, infact for an alleged Pedophille I think he was a little too open about his fondness; aren't Pedo suppose to blend in with everyday people and try and hid their fondness for children?

BabyBeMine said:

It's over. Michael Jackson is dead and can no longer defend himself. If you fell strongly about the crime of child molestation I suggest you do something about it in your community.

Hi guys. This is my first post. I've watch this site for years and have been a fan of Prince since 1984.

Factually, this thread reads more like the "Michael Jackson Tabloid Fodder Reality Check".

And just for the record, Michael Jackson did not agree to pay the Chandlers any amount of money. The Insurance Company paid the claim against Jackson's will. Fact.

Read Aphrodite Jones' account. The Vanity Fair article is pretty accurate too. Also, court transcripts lay it out in black and white, and those are publicly available.
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