dearmother said:

Prescription drugs is a bitch. It makes street drugs look like Mary Poppins in comparison.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it's a money making thing. Nurses and Doctors get top dollar for the good pain aiding drugs being sold blackmarket...

Superstition said:

So because the father was greedy that means his son was lying. Thats makes no sense.There are ppl in this world who kill love ones for money and there are many who would have taken that 20 million. Just cause he took the money doesnt mean his son lied. There is no excuse for MJ to pay 20 million in the 1st place. MJ paying that amount is worse then the person accepting it. If your innocent why pay it? No innocent person would do that.

Also what supports the argument of his potential guilt is sleeping in bed with 13 year old boys. Its not like there 5 years old. There 13

I dont know of many 13 year old boys still sleeping in bed with there daddys, let alone someone not there dad. Tells me what Gavin said is true. If you love me you will sleep with me. 13 year old boys just dont willingly sleep in bed with grown ups. There far past that
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Dude give it a rest. It's been 2 months since his death. Let's not talk about this on his b-day.

BabyBeMine said:

Wrong.

Arvizo said that Jackson said "If you love me you'll take the bed". He gave his bed to the boy and slept on the floor. That is what was said.

Why don't you go back and read some of the facts of the cases, as its clear you have only a hazy outline of the things that were said/supposedly done.

I don't know if anyone's noticed, but recent revelations from Conrad Murray have lent added credence to at least one of Gavin Arvizo's claims. As we all know Michael was taking the highly dangerous drug Propofol. But in order to make it seem harmless he called it "milk" instead. Hmmmm, Michael comes up with an innocuos sounding euphamism for something which is actually far from innocuous. The euphamism "milk" has connotations of purity, but the thing it describes is actually far from clean. What does that remind you of? "Jesus Juice" anyone?

i infiltrated a group of mj floons yesterday in london



they werent happy when i flashed my prince symbol belt, it was like showing the batbelt to the joker



the pix are blurry iphone crap tho. i thought they would have came out better. i sould have used my still unused digital camera. i will tonight tho

there were 100 of these guys doing the thriller dance in london. there was some dude from britains got no talent there in the resturaunt. apparently they were all arguing and falling out with each other cuz people were copying the same tribute ideas. not thinking that it could be coincidence that more than 1 person would think of releasing balloons or moonwalking

AS EVER..

Your level of analysis is embarrassingly poor.

midnightmover said:

papaaisaway said:

AS EVER.....

You are embarrassingly short on details.

midnightmover said:

Actually - the "milk" reference is what a lot of doctors call Propofol. It has been often called the "milk of amnesia" by doctors because of a. its appearance and b. its effect.

sources: http://scienceblogs.com/m...mnesia.php

http://books.google.com/b...q=&f=false


Swa

Duck butter

Michael Joseph Jackson is dead

That alone should explain that the guy who had a secure 100 Mill.$ plus comeback on his hand wasn't up to reality.

There are many means besides prescription drugs that can help overcome or better integrate the past in yourself.

None seemed appropriate for him. It would have meant to take responsability.

In fact denial is most childish, just like covering your eyes and expecting not to bee seen.

End of story to me. Dr. Murray was a welcome tool, althoug know not to the most reliable tool, Just like when you buy a toolbox cheap and when you really depend on it it falls apart.

...Why are you defending the addict always, might it be the children addict or the drug addict? Are some of you co-depended? Do you know what that means?

Seriously...

I respect him for his work and will keep on doing this. Eveything else should be a good example in pychology to explore for the younger generation in school.

Now lay him to rest and let his body rott away.

And bring on some of his outtakes in a decent respectful way and select the good from the bad and let his children have their way soon without the sicko family members...they have a lot of mourning and mental health work to do to being able to live a healthy meaning mental healthy good life.

It has the nickname "milk of amnesia". That doesn't mean doctors casually refer to it as "milk" like Michael did. What a remarkable coincidence that Murray describes a tendency of Michael's that echoes one of Gavin Arvizo's claims. Frank Tyson also inadvertently corroborated Arvizo's claims about the alcohol, which Michael put in soda cans. Again, hiding something impure in a mask of innocence. An apt metaphor for your man's entire life. Like Bob Jones, who worked closely with Michael for decades said... "Michael's whole life has been about constructing an image that isn't necessarily true".

Here's an interesting article. I don't agree with everything in it, but it has a lot to say about the fake image which you fans are still falling for. It details some of Michael's scams like his charity concerts that actually profited him, not the charities, as well as his complete neglect of his much publicised "Heal The World" charity which was a dormant organization. The quotes from Jones and Rabbi Boteach are also illuminating. And for once, that idiot J Randy Taraborelli actually makes a vaild point by pointing out that, contrary to the picture Michael paints, he actually had a happy childhood. Everyone who knew Mike says he was happy and fun-loving UNTIL he reached adolescence when he suddenly changed. Later on, he threw his father under the bus, making him into a convenient scapegoat for his own eccentricities.



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Richard Bath: Boy in the bubble


Date: 28 June 2009
By Richard Bath
'In a crowd, I'm afraid. Onstage, I feel safe. If I could, I would sleep on the stage'

HERE are two Michael Jacksons. One is Wacko Jacko, the flawed but essentially harmless idiot savant. He was a man-child who recoiled from the pressure of super-stardom, finding solace in epic shopping sprees and a fantasy recreation of the childhoodADVERTISEMENThe never had, a man only ever completely at ease with guileless children and dumb animals. All this righteous angel was missing was a halo.

Then there is the other Michael Jackson, the sinister predator whose youthful spirit was systematically crushed by his father, and who in turn dominated and abused young boys, regaining his innocence by besmirching theirs. This is the venal, narcissistic manipulator who, far from indulging in bizarre flights of fancy, threw up a carefully-crafted smokescreen of eccentricity in the certain knowledge that it would shield the real him, the self-obsessed materialist him, from view. This was the unrepentant sinner with a God-complex; a man with a cruel, dark heart.

The truth probably lies somewhere between those extremes, but only now that Jackson is dead will the clichés crumble and the wall of silence subside, allowing a more nuanced story to emerge. Only now that Jackson's highly-paid lawyers and private investigators are no longer on the case, and the confidentiality clauses in contracts no longer enforceable, will the story be told by those who knew him best. The dam has burst, we can expect a wave of testimony to follow.

"No one knows the truth," said Jackson in 1987. "No one knows what, or who, I am. And the longer it takes them to discover this, the more famous I will be."

And now a further truth needs to be known – the truth of how the world's greatest entertainer died. What should we deduce about a man whose monthly budget in 2000 included a $10,000 standing charge to a Beverly Hills pharmacy? Perhaps we had an answer of sorts on Friday when a white coffin was loaded into a Los Angeles coroner's hearse and Jackson's personal doctor was questioned about the injection of Demerol, a morphine-like drug, given shortly before the 50-year-old stopped breathing.

After a three-hour postmortem on Friday, the coroner ruled out foul play. Initial reports suggested that after the injection, the singer had collapsed and suffered cardiac arrest. The doctor had been the only person with him yet failed to sign a death certificate and promptly disappeared. He was, however, in touch with the police and coroners yesterday.

Those who surrounded Jackson are not out of the woods just yet. Tests, including a toxicology report, have been ordered and could take up to six weeks. Their results are widely expected to reveal the full extent of his epic drug-taking and colour our perception of Jackson just as details of the sad final days of Elvis, Judy Garland and Marilyn Monroe indelibly skewed our memories of them.

"When the autopsy comes, all hell's going to break loose, so thank God we're celebrating him now," said Liza Minnelli, Jackson's longstanding friend.

The results of that toxicology report are likely to throw up a dizzying degree of drug use, including several substances capable of inducing a heart attack if taken in large enough quantities. In particular, the report will reveal his use of Pethidine and Demerol, powerful medications similar to morphine, and the opiate Dilaudid, Jackson's favourite drugs in a huge cocktail of painkillers, anti-depressants and stress-curbing medication. An injection of Demerol on the morning of his death will feature prominently in the report, but Jackson also took a range of strong skin-lightening drugs, such as Solaquin Forte, Retin A and Benoquin.

Jackson himself made repeated attempts to kick the habit, booking into addiction clinics in London and America on several occasions. Exactly how and why Jackson became addicted to painkillers remains a subject of conjecture, with family lawyer Brian Oxman claiming that he developed the addiction after breaking a leg and vertebrae while falling from a stage. Other accounts cite the pain from an incident in 1984 when his hair caught light while filming a Pepsi commercial; his biographer and friend J Randy Taraborrelli believes he became hooked when he was accused of abusing 13-year-old Jordy Chandler in 1993.

Whatever the genesis of his addiction, there's a consensus that the pressure of preparing for his make-or-break comeback concerts at London's O2 Arena had placed an intolerable degree of stress on a constitution which had become so frail that he had only managed to attend two of the 45 rehearsals. Yet Jackson, facing bankruptcy and with the option to pull out and face ruin or proceed and risk humiliation, had little choice but to press ahead.

Jackson's relatives are pointing the finger at those around the singer, who they say "enabled" him, a term for those who help a person to continue their addiction. Brian Oxman, a Jackson family lawyer, said the family had shared their concerns about Jackson's drug use with his advisers.

"I do not know the extent of the medications that he was taking, but the reports we have been receiving in the family are that it was extensive," he said. "This is something that I feared. This family has been trying for months to take care of Michael Jackson. The people who have surrounded him have been enabling him. This is a case of abuse of medications."

The singer's extensive drug use was no secret though. According to Vanity Fair investigative reporter Maureen Orth, in the music industry Jackson had a reputation as an inveterate and hopeless user of drugs. "I had always been told he was just so medicated," a former Sony employee told her as far back as 2003, "that half the time you don't know where what he says is coming from."

Where Jackson came from was a home in Gary, Indiana, where pain and cruelty were commonplaces. His irascible father, former session guitarist and crane driver Joseph Jackson, utterly dominated his nine children, ranting at them and beating them for minor misdemeanours. Michael was so scared of his father that he sometimes fainted when he entered the room. "I remember my mother screaming, 'Joe you're going to kill them, you're going to kill them'," Jackson later recalled. "I moved so fast he couldn't catch me, but when he did, oh my goodness. It was bad. It was really bad."

Jackson claimed that his mother Katherine, a Jehovah's Witness who worked at Sears & Roebuck's department store, starved him of affection and insisted he spent all his spare time studying the Bible. According to Jackson, who started singing in public from the age of five, the combination of his father's pushiness and aggression, plus his mother's cold indifference, made for a miserable childhood.

Yet his biographer Taraborrelli, who has known Jackson since they were both children, begs to differ. "Contrary to what Michael insists today, I felt he had a relatively happy childhood," says Taraborrelli. "Michael was very happy and well adjusted and fun-loving and a practical joker who seemed to enjoy his life and career. (Yet] he has demonised his childhood and child stardom in a way that makes it seem he wishes it had never occurred."

According to insiders, Jackson didn't fight the process of becoming a star but enthusiastically embraced it. As one said: "He was building an image for himself at an age when most kids were building treehouses." As soon as he left Joe and the Jackson Five behind to pursue a solo career, the scale of his ambitions became clear. "Michael's passion for world conquest was singular," said legendary record boss Walter Yetnikoff. "I knew all about burning ambition, but Michael's drive bordered on the psychopathic. He lived, breathed, slept, dreamed and spoke of nothing but number one successes. He was possessed."

Jackson was known to insiders as an aggressive businessman with dreams of becoming an entrepreneurial mogul, a would-be visionary who compared himself to Walt Disney. As a child performer, fans would throw money onto the stage, and Jackson would stuff so much in his pockets that he had to wear his belt super-tight to keep his trousers up; as an adult he judged himself by money and pursued it relentlessly. He married Debbie Rowe, the nurse who bore his first two children, only when he was told the Saudi prince he was hoping to do business with would disapprove of children out of wedlock.

Nor was he below base hucksterism. He might have been included in the Guinness Book of Records as the pop star with the greatest number of charity involvements at 39, but tax records in the US and UK showed his Heal the World Foundation and charity Earth Care failed to make any charitable donations. A court case in 2000 also revealed that he not only charged two charity concerts he put on in 1999 in Seoul and Munich for the Nelson Mandela Foundation, Unesco, the Red Cross, and his own Heal the World Foundation a $1 million co-executive-producer fee, but also took the sponsorship money, TV and video rights. Only $100,000 went to good causes.

But if money was important to Jackson, the immortality that comes with fame was an even greater priority. The man who married Lisa-Marie Presley, sang on a record with Paul McCartney and bought The Beatles' back catalogue was obsessed with joining The King and the Fab Four to make up pop's Holy Trinity, which perhaps explains why his PR people demanded that interviewers refer to him as The King of Pop. Jackson's desire to follow Elvis and the Beatles' lead and move into film was behind his decision to pay Marlon Brando $1m for acting lessons in 2001.

Jackson, who was for many years a committed Jehovah's Witness and later flirted with the Nation of Islam, had a fully-formed God complex. On his 1984 tour, a disembodied voice told revellers to "Arise, all the world, and behold the Kingdom". Jackson himself told Oprah Winfrey that "I try to imitate Jesus".

His status as a self-proclaimed deity was at the root of some of his more nutty antics. Jackson struggled to accept any imperfections, in particular the broad nose and acne his father had relentlessly ridiculed. He also struggled with what he saw as the commercial limitations of his race – he said Elvis would never have been as popular if he'd been black – and took to referring to fellow Negroes as "spabooks". Being Michael Jackson, he could get anything he wanted, even if it meant changing race.

He chose to have his first two children, Michael Joseph Jr and Paris Michael Katherine, with his white nurse, while his third child Prince Michael II, conceived with an unknown mother, is completely white. He is such an ardent dieter that by the time he died he weighed less than nine stone.

Jackson's rejection of his race and anxiety about his appearance led to an obsession with plastic surgery. Jackson owned up to having two operations on his nose, but experts believe he had up to 50 procedures. The cartilage in his nose was completely cauterised, and as early as 1993 he was wearing a prosthesis on his nose owing to a lack of cartilage caused by extensive surgery. When ordered to remove his surgical mask in court in 2004, those around him gasped at the ravages of surgery on his nose that even thick layers of white make-up couldn't hide. On his body, he was using Benoquin to bleach his skin, although his scalp changed colour after the 1984 accident on a shoot for Pepsi when his hair caught fire.

It was, says his former head of publicity Bob Jones, his addiction to plastic surgery that led to his more outlandish, publicity-seeking excesses. Pretending to sleep in a hyperbaric oxygen tent to help him live to 150, offering to buy the Elephant Man John Merrick's bones, wearing a surgical mask, allowing Bubbles his chimp to sleep in a crib in his room, hanging his nine-month baby over a balcony, dressing his children in burkas, showing up in court dressed in pyjamas or a tuxedo – these were all, according to Jones, the ways in which Jackson tried to draw attention away from his rapidly changing appearance. "Michael Jackson's whole life has been about constructing an image that isn't necessarily true," says Jones.

In reality, Jackson was sick, suffering from body dysmorphic disorder, the psychological syndrome where sufferers become obsessed with how they look, to the point where they lose perception of how they are perceived by others. It didn't help that Jackson was so used to the adulation of his public that he was effectively divorced from real life, a prisoner of his own celebrity.

He was so used to being accompanied by a phalanx of bodyguards and flunkies that he trembled if he had to open his own front door. He compared himself to "a haemophiliac who can't afford to be scratched in any way".

"I hate to admit it, but I feel strange around everyday people," he said. "See, my whole life has been onstage, and the impression I get of people is applause, standing ovations and running after you. In a crowd, I'm afraid. Onstage, I feel safe. If I could, I'd sleep on the stage."

That withdrawal from the real world saw him sucked into a fantasy world of his own making. Neverland, the Peter Pan-themed ranch in California with its own zoo which cost $4m a year to run, was its most obvious manifestation, but there were darker themes in the background, such as Jackson's addiction to prescription drugs and his heavy drinking. He had, said his former publicist Michael Levine, "a deep militancy to refuse reality at all costs".

The most troubling manifestation of that was his ongoing determination to have relationships with pretty young boys, relations which seem likely to have been sexually predatory in nature. Even after a scare in 1993, when he paid $28m to the parents of Jordy Chandler after they brought charges of child sexual abuse against him after the 13-year-old proved he could accurately describe Jackson's "mottled" genitalia (Jackson tried everything to stop this examination, even striking the examining doctor), he still continued to sleep in the same bed as young boys. Until they reached puberty, that is, at which stage they were jettisoned from his inner circle.

That arrogant recklessness, or perhaps compulsion, was to be his undoing in 2003 when he agreed to an extended interview with English journalist Martin Bashir, recommended to him by illusionist Uri Geller, one of his motley collection of friends. More than 15 million people watched and heard 12-year-old cancer sufferer Gavin Arvizo tell Bashir that: "There was one night I asked him if I could stay in the bedroom and he let me stay in the bedroom. And I said, 'Michael, you can sleep on the bed' and he said, 'no, no, you sleep in the bed'."

Despite Jackson's protestations that "it's not sexual, we're going to sleep, I tuck them in, it's very charming, it's very sweet", the damage was done. The police officers who had been frustrated by the Jordy pay-off a decade earlier swooped and Jackson found himself in court accused of seducing minors. This time the revelations were even more embarrassing, with phrases like "Jesus Juice" (alcohol) and "Duck Butter" (sperm) becoming part of the tabloid lexicon. For once Jackson couldn't pay off the parents, yet his highly paid legal team sowed enough doubts that, against all the odds, Jackson was acquitted.

The verdict was the final straw for many long-time friends, including his former mentor Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. "I saw a man with the potential for great goodness, but he alienated me utterly with his selfishness," he said. "I have no reason to believe that Michael Jackson is a paedophile. I do have every reason to believe, however, that he has led a decadent existence which has utterly alienated him from his fan base and the people who once supported and respected him. His is a putrid existence."

A control freak who tapped phones at a Neverland ranch ringed with armed guards, who made staff sign confidentiality agreements and would pursue them aggressively if they broke them, Jackson was ready to use less legal methods too. Boteach would be less than impressed had he known about Jackson's relationship with private investigator Anthony Pellicano, "the sin-eater of Hollywood" and a man who was once arrested by the FBI for possession of explosives and intimidation.

Just before the trial was due to take place, Jordy Chandler was almost run over. After missing him the first time the driver turned around and tried again. His father was threatened, received a dead rat in a box and had his office ransacked. Chandler's lawyer received death threats and had pornographic graffiti sprayed on his office shortly before they accepted Jackson's offer to settle.

Those who didn't settle fared much worse. Victor Gutierrez, a Chilean journalist who claims to have seen a tape of Jackson having sex with minors and who wrote a scrupulously detailed book about the Chandler case, says he was visited by Pellicano, who told him "consider yourself dead". When Gutierrez was beaten up in the street by three men, Pellicano was on hand, drawing up in his black Lexus and laughing at the bleeding Chilean. There have been plenty of death threats since then.

Perhaps because he endured so much ridicule, Jackson became good at hating. When Sony Music boss Tommy Mottola refused to spend any more money promoting HIStory, the album which cost more to produce than it raised from sales, Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton marched on Sony and accused Mottola – then married to mixed-race artist Mariah Carey and close friend of countless rappers – of racism.

The singer had a list of 25 key enemies, including David Geffen and Stephen Spielberg, who featured in a trip to a Malian witch-doctor called Baba in Switzerland in 2000, when for $150,000 Baba promised they would die within the week, and sacrificed 42 cows to ensure it happened. That wasn't Jackson's only brush with voodoo: he had already undergone a bath in sheeps' blood and paid mysterious Egyptian woman Samia $1 million to ease his chronic debts of $250m.

So, a tortured soul driven by his demons to the drugs that claimed his life? According to some of those who knew him, his freaky preoccupations should fool no one. It is, they say, all about the fame and fortune.

"Michael Jackson is about as crazy as Colin Powell," says Scottish photographer Harry Benson, who has worked extensively with Jackson. "He knows everything he is doing. He holds his baby over the balcony and everybody goes crazy, but he's in every newspaper around the world."

midnightmover said:

I think even you would have to admit it's not a huge stretch to go from calling what is called in the industry "milk of amnesia" to shortening it to "milk". Come on now.

I'm not saying MJ didn't call it milk, but to say it was him masking a sinister side is a bit of a long bow.

As for your article it is hardly unbiased and actually omits a lot of facts surrounding its statements that would make them less sensationalist, case in point the whole issue of Victor Gutierrez and the supposed tape fails to mention that Jackson successfully sued the "journalist" and won for defamation, with no such tape ever being in existence.

The whole issue of did he or didn't he will go on with both sides being convinced one way or the other. Even those who would have seen a guilty verdict as being "proof", also won't see the "not guilty" verdict as being just.

At the end of the day what's the point. The guy is dead. Nothing will change that. So believe what you want to if that makes you happier.

Swa

midnightmover said:

Digging a bit deep there, aren't we? Especially when you pretty much ignored what the other poster mentioned, about the drug being nicknamed "milk of amnesia".

OK OK We get it. Michael jackson was the Devil. If you hate him so much why don't you just move on.

Also, that article posted about the "two sides of Jackson" or whatever is crap.

First, many facts are wrong (i.e Mottola wasn't married to Carey at the time Jackson was protesting, and it was because of the Invincible album, not HIstory) and some of it is tabloid crap (like the witch doctor stuff... pure bunk).

The rest is actual quotes padded out with speculation and untrue crap.

Who remembers the typical line of Gavin was out for money - its all about money... well where is his lawsuit? I guess he wasn't out for money after all, huh.

I guess it wasn't about the money.

So what was it for then? We heard from MJ public relation firms & online nut jobs who are basically republicans with their talking points. Well that "MJ talking point" wasn't true.

Outside of that I think we all now have seen the white washing of this sick disgusting man's personal life since his death by the media, which shocks me. We only had 3 sexual abuse crimes, 2 pay offs, 2 phone sex/in bed graphic sex talks with 2 other boys. we have a bunch of other boys sleeping in bed with him & adult XXX material: gay, straight & right on the line to child porn all over his bedroom. The exact area he promotes in interviews for boys to ask him to sleep with him. You know who remembers in the Prime Time Live interview when MJ said if I tell the public I love Charlie Chaplin, ill be swarmed with Charlie Chaplin Material! But for some reason he decided to tell the public - I'm into children and if you meet me and your a boy ask me if you can sleep in my bed with me, because I wont turn you down. Dude tell the public about Charlie Chaplin.

But for some reason the media has decided to ignore it all as they try to make this pervert a saint? Well it kinda does make sense they did ignore his actual stealing of the moonwalk which brought his solo career to another level. Pretty strange how the media ignores he stole from jackie wilson, james brown & electric boogaloo. But they have no problem saying usher, justin, chris brown and others where "influence/stole" from him.

A pretty lucky guy if you ask me, he steals allot, can't perform live for 2 decades and has sexual contact in different ways with 5 different boys. But the media ignores all of it now after his death?

Very lucky man! Because behind the curtain was all smoke & mirror with his "talent". His personal life image was held together moment by moment by a string.

But you wouldnt know any of that if you watch the TV Guide Channel.

I do have to say I do love that they are showing that funny/awful movie with Flex something playing MJ Is there anything better then the guy playing Joe Jackson.

And after 20 pages what have we learned boys and girls?

1. No one's mind has been changed on either side.

2. Michael Jackson is still deceased.

In other news, MJ was on the grassy knoll when JFK was shot.

Superstition said:

I admit i was wrong about that line. Just double checked the video youtube. But im not wrong about MJ potentially being guilty.

1. 20 Million payout. No excuse can work for this. Why pay that amount? Are you scared the information will be released and the exact details. A couple of years back Smoking Gun got a hold of the details and now you can understand why he wanted the details sealed. Jordy just shut up and go away.

2. Sleeping in same bed with Teen boys not your own. I dont know of many teen boys who sleep in bed with there dads at 13 years old.

3. Accused 3 times of Molestation. Jordy, Maids son and 2003

4. Prefers to be with kids than a grown women


There is a lot of smoke here.

babynoz said:

I really don't see the point of people still trying to convince others that he is a Pedo after he is dead. Unless new evidence comes out those people who think he was a Pedo will continue to do so and those that don't will continue to do so. The guy is dead and no amount of arguments will change that.
[Edited 8/30/09 10:53am]

The idea that people being a bit critical about MJ as 'a person' are 'haters' is nonsense of course.

As a human he made a mess of his own life, its easy to blame family members, accountants and doctors, but ultimately it were his own choices.

People like DesireeNevermind still like to threat him as some 9 yo in the body of an adult man, while it doesnt make sense. Just because he did present himself to the outside world as some disney-figure, doesnt mean he was human underneath.

Offering little boys 'Jesus Juice', begging for 'milk' from his doctors, that guy was simply a twisted fucker unwilling to understand it isn't normal to share your bed with underaged boys.

A guy who was also a drug-addict, by his own choice, its easy to blame your fame, your wealth or the people trying to take advantage of you. His burning hair during the pepsi-commercial is no ground for it, no excuse whatsoever. That is simply your fairytale-thinking.

MJ was a man with a lot of issues. It was reflected in the detoriating quality of his music. It was reflected in the gossip-press and lawsuits. MJ is no genious saint, but a twisted fucker that took advantage of kids and thought he could stand above it, just by having lots of money and taking lots of drugs.

To blame his doctor or family for his own mistakes is sickening, he could have chosen otherwise.
There are a lot of 'normal' people who get through childabuse, or a bad childhood, and grow beyond it. Michael Jackson just kept whining, playing the victim, an annoying addict with pedophelic tendencies...

am I missing something? I see several sites have reported (June 09) that Jordie Chandler HAS come forward to reveal that IT WAS ALL A LIE.

Red said:

That "statement" hasn't been verified at all. It is potentially false and made up.

The reason Jodie wouldn't make a statement one way or the other is that if he did come out and say "it was a lie" then he, his father, his father's lawyers etc would all be up for fraud and also be open to be sued for the monies and damages. The confidentiality agreement is still binding beyond either parties death.

Swa

I'm not sure about that. Michael settled out of court and this may mean that Chandler's can't be touched now. 'Course I'm no lawyer.

Red said:

Well regardless if they can or can't, Jordan hasn't confirmed that he denied MJ ever touching him. Oh well.

BabyBeMine said:

You've already said all this stuff multiple times, and people have responded multiple times, so you've made your point clear. All I can say is that you should probably read up on the case further. If you think he's guilty, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but you should probably make sure your opinion is well formed, because you have proven you believe a lot of the misinformation. For instance, that 20 million dollar "payout" was not payed by Jackson himself. In fact, it was protested by Jackson.

The irrational MJ-fams keep twisting and turning themselves to the point it becomes painfull and laughable.

Just because you like his music and career doesn't mean you should ignore the fact he was a fucked up individual (like it was the case with James Brown and Rick James).

Whats the use of that?

You want to keep seeing him as some fairytale-like creature, that was always the victim of the big, bad world around him? How naive you can react?

Or, maybe you should get a bit more realistic, and admit that he was a guy with a lot of psychological issues, including phedophelic tendencies and an addiction to different kinds of drugs?
[Edited 8/30/09 17:22pm]

Riverpoet31 said:

I'm actually one of the fans who do realize that the man had alot of problems including a drug addiction but he's gone now and I choose to remember him for the postive (the music)but it's not a Revelation the man had problems. beating a dead horse lol
[Edited 8/30/09 18:17pm]

babybugz said:

AGREED