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PrintableI still don't get this concept that he paid them off to keep quiet (20 million by some estimates) but they could still pursue a criminal case against him.
It doesn't need to state that they can't pursue criminal case--they would forfeit their part of the bargain if they do pursue a case against him because that would require them to 'talk' and thus lose the 20 million. It speaks volumes to the family's morals here that they would agree to shut up for money--if I was a parent of the boy, no amount of hush money would be good enough. Am I wrong in this understanding of the hush money situation though? 
Admittedly, I'm not a MJ fan so I didn't pay much attention to the case. I just remember it breaking in the news in Germany and none of us were terribly surprised  . Not by the child molestation thing so much as if anyone would get charges filed against them it was bound to be MJ, George Michael, or Eddie Murphy.
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also this
http://www.amazon.com/Mic...191&sr=8-1 I haven't read it, has anyone here? is a book where a REPORTER who talks about how full of shit the media is re: the '05 trial "As I made one of my last public comments on the case,” she remembers, “I realized that I had become one of the media bunch who had predetermined the outcome of the trial, wrongly. Many people around me were so sure of Jackson’s guilt. Many reporters had slanted TV and radio coverage to suit the prosecution, and I was one of those folks who had followed that dangerous trend.” | |
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dearmother said: also this
http://www.amazon.com/Mic...191&sr=8-1 I haven't read it, has anyone here? is a book where a REPORTER who talks about how full of shit the media is re: the '05 trial "As I made one of my last public comments on the case,” she remembers, “I realized that I had become one of the media bunch who had predetermined the outcome of the trial, wrongly. Many people around me were so sure of Jackson’s guilt. Many reporters had slanted TV and radio coverage to suit the prosecution, and I was one of those folks who had followed that dangerous trend.” No but I'll give it to her that she got the message before he died. | |
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unique said: MissChanel said: bollocks snipped
people seperate the music from the man, so it doesn't matter if he fucked young boys in his bed, people still want to listen to songs like billie jean jordys dad said recently that he thought the only way to make MJ stop sleeping with boys was to hit him in the pocket, which is why he took that action. if you read up on things you would be aware of this. this is the problem with most of your post, you simply aren't up to date with information since he died more things have came to light, such as a doctor giving him drugs to stop his sexual appetite for kids, details of MJ's male lovers, etc. as you obviously don't keep up to date with events you are unaware of this he wasn't forced to live in his own world, there are plenty of stars and rich people who socialise with other adults instead of inviting kids to thier home. in fact, the only other person i can think of who would invite under age children to share a bed with them is gary glitter who was a convited peadophile. if you think a male adult inviting kids to sleepovers is normal, then you can't expect anyone to take you seriously there was at least one juror in the court case who thought that MJ was guilty, but could not find specific evidence to find him guilty on the specific allegations. being found not guilty in a court of law does not mean someone did not commit an offence. that's a fact even if he didn't sleep with or abuse gavin did not mean he didn't do it to others why do MJ fans think anyone that says anything negative towards him, regardless of the truth, is jealous of him? who the fuck would want to be a near bankrupt dead criminal junky who slept with young boys and faced serious child abuse cases? the guy had a fucking monkey for a friend for fucks sake "people seperate the music from the man, so it doesn't matter if he fucked young boys in his bed, people still want to listen to songs like billie jean"- So? "jordys dad said recently that he thought the only way to make MJ stop sleeping with boys was to hit him in the pocket, which is why he took that action."- I don't know if that is true or not, but that is HIS VERSION. Are you so naive to the point of believing that Chandler asked for money because he wanted to make the world a better place by telling a grown man to stop sleeping with children? DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT? Chandler asked for money because HE WANTED MONEY, PERIOD. He also wanted to become a film producer (in portuguese "roteirista". I'm not sure if I translated the word correctly) and he needed money. I'm going to repeat: Chandler didn't ask for money because he cared about his son. In fact, Chandler told Schwartz that he "didn't give a fuck about Jordan" and that he was "ashamed of [his] parenting skills". " this is the problem with most of your post, you simply aren't up to date with information"- And you, unique, are up to date with the WRONG information. "since he died more things have came to light, such as a doctor giving him drugs to stop his sexual appetite for kids,"- That RUMOR was started by Mirror, a TABLOID. Funnilly enough, Mirror keeps coming up with stories like that. Strange, don't you think? No other newspapers "knew" about this "story"...hummmmm....strange, once again, don't you think? Mirror must be a VERY QUICK and EFFICIENT tabloid in order to "know" these "stories", because no other newspapers knew. Ohhh...one more thing: if this "story" is true, the doctor would have been called to testify during the trial. If this story was true, the media would have exploited it during the trial. "Sources say Dr Farshchian began prescribing Depo Provera after he became concerned at Jacko’s attitude to young boys at his infamous Neverland sleepovers."- Tom Sneddon would have used this "information" during the trial. So, once again, this "story" is NOT true. " details of MJ's male lovers"- Why did this only come up after Jackson's death? Because he isn't here to defend himself and no one can defend Jackson, in this particular case, besides....Jackson himself . If this story was true, the world would have known about it while MJ was still alive. You forgot to mention the new girlfriends that Jackson supposedly had, while alive. Funny, uh? Alzheimer? "there was at least one juror in the court case who thought that MJ was guilty,"- Eleanor Cook said she had been pressured by other jury in order to say that Jackson was not guilty on a specific allegation. Funnily enough, she was paid to give the interview (in which she said that) and the interviewer promised to write a book about that, with her. She was latter successfully sued by Judge Melville and the other jury for lying. She retired and stated that "she was too old to be a jury". She also said, on Larry King, that Gavin Arvizo, the accuser, was an unbehaved young kid with serious problems". [Edited 8/16/09 11:29am] [Edited 8/16/09 11:31am] | |
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MOL said:[quote] unique said: "people seperate the music from the man, so it doesn't matter if he fucked young boys in his bed, people still want to listen to songs like billie jean"- So? so that's why people still buy his music, an answer to a previous question. just because he may have sold 15m records or whatever after he died has no bearing on whether he was guilty or not. people just want to listen to the music "jordys dad said recently that he thought the only way to make MJ stop sleeping with boys was to hit him in the pocket, which is why he took that action."- I don't know if that is true or not, but that is HIS VERSION. Are you so naive to the point of believing that Chandler asked for money because he wanted to make the world a better place by telling a grown man to stop sleeping with children? DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT? Chandler asked for money because HE WANTED MONEY, PERIOD. He also wanted to become a film producer (in portuguese "roteirista". I'm not sure if I translated the word correctly) and he needed money. I'm going to repeat: Chandler didn't ask for money because he cared about his son. In fact, Chandler told Schwartz that he "didn't give a fuck about Jordan" and that he was "ashamed of [his] parenting skills". i didn't express any opinions on the matter, i simply listed facts the fact is that MJ continued to sleep with children after paying off a family for a similar child abuse case. why? you would really have to enjoy sleeping with kids to keep on doing it after that, unless your a complete fuckwit " this is the problem with most of your post, you simply aren't up to date with information"- And you, unique, are up to date with the WRONG information.
you know that's not a factual statement. you don't know whether the information is true or not, you just have your opinion. information is information, regardless of the truth "since he died more things have came to light, such as a doctor giving him drugs to stop his sexual appetite for kids,"- That RUMOR was started by Mirror, a TABLOID. Funnilly enough, Mirror keeps coming up with stories like that. Strange, don't you think? No other newspapers "knew" about this "story"...hummmmm....strange, once again, don't you think? Mirror must be a VERY QUICK and EFFICIENT tabloid in order to "know" these "stories", because no other newspapers knew. Ohhh...one more thing: if this "story" is true, the doctor would have been called to testify during the trial. If this story was true, the media would have exploited it during the trial.
if the story was not known at the time of the trial it couldn't have been used. it appears that this information has only come to light, so obviously couldn't have been used in the trial there have been plenty of stories in the history of journalism that one publication has printed that others haven't, so just because others haven't reported on something does not confirm or deny the story. you have no evidence to confirm whether it's a rumour or true "Sources say Dr Farshchian began prescribing Depo Provera after he became concerned at Jacko’s attitude to young boys at his infamous Neverland sleepovers."- Tom Sneddon would have used this "information" during the trial. So, once again, this "story" is NOT true. the problem with what you say is that you jump to conclusions and post your own opinions as facts. obviously if the information was not available at the time it couldn't be used " details of MJ's male lovers"- Why did this only come up after Jackson's death? Because he isn't here to defend himself and no one can defend Jackson, in this particular case, besides....Jackson himself . If this story was true, the world would have known about it while MJ was still alive. You forgot to mention the new girlfriends that Jackson supposedly had, while alive. Funny, uh? Alzheimer? george michael kept in the closet for a long time, as have many other stars. if he was gay, why would he want to defend himself? presumably the other story relates to the suggestion that he was going to marry his longtime nanny, who wasn't exactly a girlfriend "there was at least one juror in the court case who thought that MJ was guilty,"- Eleanor Cook said she had been pressured by other jury in order to say that Jackson was not guilty on a specific allegation. Funnily enough, she was paid to give the interview (in which she said that) and the interviewer promised to write a book about that, with her. She was latter successfully sued by Judge Melville and the other jury for lying. She retired and stated that "she was too old to be a jury". She also said, on Larry King, that Gavin Arvizo, the accuser, was an unbehaved young kid with serious problems".
i wasn't even referring to her. there was another male juror that was conviced MJ did it but he believed he was under clear orders only to make a decision based on specifics part of the problem with the last case was it appeared that almost everyone who had anything to do with it had a personal agenda and was a liar, from the accusers to the accused. it's no wonder he wasn't found guilty. whilst he may or not have abused gavin, it doesn't mean he didn't do it with others, but regardless of that, what the fuck was he doing sleeping with a teenage boy, particularly after the chandlers case, and go on television to tell people it's natural? | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: The only reason any person entertained any of his antics with the kids is because he is Michael Jackson. Any average joe who engaged in the same behavior would have been met with pitcforks and fire.
Your so right! I loved his music
but Jacko was acting real strange up until his death. A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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midnightmover said: An intelligent and honest blog I found online. The shameful thing is that this even needs to be said.
----- Michael Jackson Pedophile Reality Check: Is It Mean to Suspect that Michael Jackson Might Have Been a Pedophile? The short answer is no, it’s not mean or irrational. Under normal circumstances nobody gets to do what Michael Jackson did (bring unrelated children into his bedroom overnight). No adult man gets to do that without suspicion cast upon him by other adults. It’s simply not sane to give adult males that kind of latitude with the most vulnerable among us. And for Jackson to engage in that behavior—bringing children into his bedroom overnight—and then act put-upon by the public for being suspicious that he was a pedophile is outrageous. An analogy: Every weekend a suburban woman goes to a street corner known to be frequented by prostitutes. She gets picked up by cruising men who drive her to nearby motels. Before they return her to the same street corner, they give her money. She tells people that she never has sex with the men. Never touches them. Never blows them. Never lets them put their hands on her. She just talks to them. They simply drive around. She feels compassion for the men. They’re lonely. She tells them about Jesus. She wants to help them. She doesn’t understand why all those around her suspect she’s a whore. Jackson engaged in equally outrageous (and suspicion generating) actions—many of them characteristic of pedophiles—and then he is shocked—shocked!—that people might suspect that he is, well, a pedophile. And the power disparity between Jackson and the children who visited his bedroom for “sleep-overs” is enormous. A wealthy man in his forties was bringing children unrelated to him into his bedroom alone overnight. A person needs to absorb the import of that before suggesting that the suspicion directed toward Jackson is unreasonable and based on animus. Furthermore, to treat pedophile-suspicion directed toward Michael Jackson as a form of persecution is to tell people it is wrong to speak plainly about what is evident. Jackson lived his life in ways characteristic of a pedophile. It doesn’t mean that he was one. It means that there is a real probability that he was one. No adult male gets to bring unrelated children into his bedroom alone overnight without suspicion being rendered by other adults. It would be a monstrous dereliction of duty toward the children involved not to cast that suspicion. And it would be Orwellian not to speak to others plainly about it. I understand “innocent until proven guilty.” But I sure the hell wouldn’t have had him anywhere near my children. And the children that he did bring around him were oftentimes hugely vulnerable (cancer patients; boys of poor single mothers). An adult single male obsessed with Peter Pan and decorating his bedroom with children’s toys was bringing kids into his bedroom for “sleep-overs.” That should set off five alarm predator worries in any sane parent who is not stupid or tempted by greed. And Jackson showed zero evidence of having any serious impulse control. The older I get, the less patience I have for bullshitters. Michael Jackson was, in my view, a huge bullshitter who got away with spectacular amounts of bullshit. It’s like Rush Limbaugh, G. Beck, and Jimmy Swaggart. Everyday, bullshitters look at their bank accounts and say, “How stupid people are!” This, in my view, was what Jackson was doing. He was using his fame and wealth and “mystery power” to get away with things. It’s an old game. If you dress like a glitzy version of Captain Crunch (as Chris Rock noted that Jackson did), or put on the clothing of a priest, or have money, then you can cast spells on people and get away with stuff. Jackson was a spell-caster. Below is a video of reporter Martin Bashir speaking of Jackson. Bashir illustrates the problem. Note Bashir’s rhetorical tone-down of what it means to be a single man bringing young boys into his bedroom for “sleep-overs,” and his logically fallacious “I never saw anything” obscurantism. His emotional solemnity is also cloying. It’s all slight of hand and euphemism. Of course he wouldn’t have seen anything. It means nothing. I have a great deal of contempt for people who use language in ways that distort, rather than clarify, an issue. It’s like using “enhanced interrogation” for “torture.” Michael Jackson was suspected of being a pedophile because he brought vulnerable children into his orbit and took them into his bedroom overnight alone. At least Bashir, as a journalist, could describe things accurately. But, of course, he doesn’t. But the rest of us should. Jackson lived his life in ways characteristic of a pedophile. It doesn’t mean that he was one. It means that there is a real probability that he was one. No adult male gets to bring unrelated children into his bedroom alone overnight without suspicion being rendered by other adults. It would be a monstrous dereliction of duty toward the children involved not to cast that suspicion. And it would be Orwellian not to speak to others plainly about it.  A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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MOL said: MissChanel...you are my idol!!!
You can't be serious, on this org internet bullshit! Your praising someone for bashing other people for their opinions....  A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. | |
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some pretty educated psychologists have said that he actually doesn't fit the profile of pedophile | |
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Countthedays said: MOL said: MissChanel...you are my idol!!!
You can't be serious, on this org internet bullshit! Your praising someone for bashing other people for their opinions.... MissChanel did her homework! Instead of believing every lie that's printed in the tabloids,she seems like she really took the time to research this stuff.I'm not saying anything about MJ's guilt or innocence,but I like how MissChanel puts it all in perspective.She's given some new insight. | |
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dearmother said: cdcgold said: the sad thing is all these haters are on the families side. but what they fail to realize is if that family had a chance to scam and lie on them too they would. Just like they did jay leno, jc pennys and THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
[Edited 8/16/09 10:03am] YUP, I can understand being skeptical regarding the Chandler allegations b/c it was settled out of court but the allegations in '05 were a complete joke. if everyone would just shut up for a minute and read the actual transcripts they'd see that. Exactly! In the last book on Michael Jackson, Taborelli said that by the time the mother testified that she feared MJ would abduct the family and take them up into a hot air balloon he felt as though he'd been duped. Many others in the courtroom echoed that sentiment. He also pointed out that initially the family denied all allegations of abuse before changing their minds. It's understandable that a victim would do this, but it was strange that the ENTIRE FAMILY would suddenly remember the abuse at the same time. NO ONE found that family credible. Log off long enough to read the transcripts. Then come back with your own verdict. | |
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unique said:  Now of all of MJ's kids... this little fella not only looks bi-racial... but he actually looks like a Jackson. The other 2 look mixed... but not with African American... maybe something else but not mixed with AA and not 100% white. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: unique said: Now of all of MJ's kids... this little fella not only looks bi-racial... but he actually looks like a Jackson. The other 2 look mixed... but not with African American... maybe something else but not mixed with AA and not 100% white. what the fuck! how did the thread go from the low life accusers to blanket? | |
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dearmother said: some pretty educated psychologists have said that he actually doesn't fit the profile of pedophile
he doesn't fit the profile of a normal person either though. and just because someone does not fit a specific criminal profile does not mean they aren't capable of comitting a crime i'm sure phil spector and oj simpson didn't fit the profile of a murderer people aren't convicted based on whether they fit a profile or not | |
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cdcgold said: prodigalfan said: Now of all of MJ's kids... this little fella not only looks bi-racial... but he actually looks like a Jackson. The other 2 look mixed... but not with African American... maybe something else but not mixed with AA and not 100% white. what the fuck! how did the thread go from the low life accusers to blanket? read the thread. ALL OF IT! Then you will have your answer  "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Pedophile Michael Jackson Left a Witness - Breaking Story!
I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault! | |
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Talking loud - but ain't saying nothing.
Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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OldTeenager said: Pedophile Michael Jackson Left a Witness - Breaking Story!
So why did this woman not testify in the molestation trial if she really thought MJ was a threat to cildren? Why did she stay an employee at his home if she knew he was harming kids. This lady is full of shit. Then she sells her story to a UK tabloid. [Edited 8/18/09 20:54pm] | |
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I love Michael Jackson music and I think he was a true genius. But his obsession with kids was a weird. Why did he like being around kids so much? it ruined his whole legacy. | |
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Countthedays said: MOL said: MissChanel...you are my idol!!!
You can't be serious, on this org internet bullshit! Your praising someone for bashing other people for their opinions.... "Be glad for what you had baby, what you've got..." | |
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A lot people who don't follow Prince either think that he's gay or are surprised when they find out that he somehow isn't. | |
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StillDirrty said: A lot people who don't follow Prince either think that he's gay or are surprised when they find out that he somehow isn't.
It was about Prince being a has-been, gay, not as popular as Britney lol etc. It was just a nice-nasty way to slam Prince. LOL! Whatever....a transparent agenda. "Be glad for what you had baby, what you've got..." | |
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Michael Jackson 'gay lover' comes out
Friday, August 21 2009, 12:03 BST By David Balls, Music Reporter Michael Jackson 'gay lover' comes out WENN A man claiming to be Michael Jackson's gay lover has spoken about their relationship. Jason Pfeiffer, who worked for Jackson's dermatologist Arnold Klein, alleges that the pair enjoyed a number of romantic dates in the final months before the late King of Pop's death in June. The 35-year-old heavyweight reportedly spent Christmas with Jackson, who he described as his "soulmate", his three children and house guest Carrie Fisher. "I guess our first date, if you can call it that, was in my car," he told Woman's Day. "We went for a drive and were talking and having fun, but Michael had his minders who were 'nosey', as Michael put it. We had to make sure we were not caught, and although the date was short, we had a great time. "I thought nobody else knew about us but I have since discovered that others did surmise the truth." Jackson biographer Ian Halperin recently claimed that Jackson enjoyed two relationships with men whom he met for sexual liaisons in a motel. http://www.digitalspy.co....s-out.html | |
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Imago said: I still don't get this concept that he paid them off to keep quiet (20 million by some estimates) but they could still pursue a criminal case against him.
It doesn't need to state that they can't pursue criminal case--they would forfeit their part of the bargain if they do pursue a case against him because that would require them to 'talk' and thus lose the 20 million. It speaks volumes to the family's morals here that they would agree to shut up for money--if I was a parent of the boy, no amount of hush money would be good enough. Am I wrong in this understanding of the hush money situation though?
It wasn't hush money. What the money did was settle this family's particular dispute against Jackson. The department went ahead with their own criminal investigation to see if they could get him for molesting other children, and the family was allowed to be witness to the prosecution in a separate case. The family refused. So theoretically, they could have taken Jackson's money AND still help authorities if he was in fact guilty of anything. They declined. And, after interviewing around 200 other people... the authorities still had no case and dropped the investigation. I personally believe the allegations, and the original article in here, are a farce. [Edited 8/21/09 6:35am] | |
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unique said: Michael Jackson 'gay lover' comes out
Friday, August 21 2009, 12:03 BST By David Balls, Music Reporter Michael Jackson 'gay lover' comes out WENN A man claiming to be Michael Jackson's gay lover has spoken about their relationship. Jason Pfeiffer, who worked for Jackson's dermatologist Arnold Klein, alleges that the pair enjoyed a number of romantic dates in the final months before the late King of Pop's death in June. The 35-year-old heavyweight reportedly spent Christmas with Jackson, who he described as his "soulmate", his three children and house guest Carrie Fisher. "I guess our first date, if you can call it that, was in my car," he told Woman's Day. "We went for a drive and were talking and having fun, but Michael had his minders who were 'nosey', as Michael put it. We had to make sure we were not caught, and although the date was short, we had a great time. "I thought nobody else knew about us but I have since discovered that others did surmise the truth." Jackson biographer Ian Halperin recently claimed that Jackson enjoyed two relationships with men whom he met for sexual liaisons in a motel. http://www.digitalspy.co....s-out.html More tabloid bullshit since MJ's death,a few women have also come forward,claiming that they were involved with him.You gotta take this stuff with a grain of salt.Alot of people are gonna come out and say alot of ridiculous things,just to get some instant fame and money,lol.You know how it goes: "I knew Michael,so I'll lie and say that we were more than friends",lol.
Jason Pheiffer,center,claims that he was Michael's lover  [Edited 8/21/09 7:04am] | |
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OldTeenager said: Pedophile Michael Jackson Left a Witness - Breaking Story!
Nonsense. What self respecting adult would allow this 2 happened and say nothing? I don't believe a word of this. | |
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SoulAlive said: unique said: Michael Jackson 'gay lover' comes out
Friday, August 21 2009, 12:03 BST By David Balls, Music Reporter Michael Jackson 'gay lover' comes out WENN A man claiming to be Michael Jackson's gay lover has spoken about their relationship. Jason Pfeiffer, who worked for Jackson's dermatologist Arnold Klein, alleges that the pair enjoyed a number of romantic dates in the final months before the late King of Pop's death in June. The 35-year-old heavyweight reportedly spent Christmas with Jackson, who he described as his "soulmate", his three children and house guest Carrie Fisher. "I guess our first date, if you can call it that, was in my car," he told Woman's Day. "We went for a drive and were talking and having fun, but Michael had his minders who were 'nosey', as Michael put it. We had to make sure we were not caught, and although the date was short, we had a great time. "I thought nobody else knew about us but I have since discovered that others did surmise the truth." Jackson biographer Ian Halperin recently claimed that Jackson enjoyed two relationships with men whom he met for sexual liaisons in a motel. http://www.digitalspy.co....s-out.html More tabloid bullshit since MJ's death,a few women have also come forward,claiming that they were involved with him.You gotta take this stuff with a grain of salt.Alot of people are gonna come out and say alot of ridiculous things,just to get some instant fame and money,lol.You know how it goes: "I knew Michael,so I'll lie and say that we were more than friends",lol.
Jason Pheiffer,center,claims that he was Michael's lover
[Edited 8/21/09 7:04am] it doesn't sound that unreleastic to me, he obviously has a thing for doctors/dentists and their assistants and family, there's a photo there with MJ right beside him, and no-one else beside MJ, and he looks just MJ's type | |
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Michael had a thing for the DRUGS the doctors could give him. & how do you know what is MJ's type? | |
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Teddy says Mike loved women.
 "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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meanwhile theres TAPES LEAKED OUT ALL OVER THE INTERNET OF MJ MAKIN OUT WITH A 21 YEAR OLD GIRL | |
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