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Reply #30 posted 08/07/09 10:19am

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Cinnie said:

Did anyone hear the answer about who they think the best producers are??

Yeah. And? It's exactly what I would've expected them to say.
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Reply #31 posted 08/07/09 10:25am

Cinnie

AlexdeParis said:

Cinnie said:

Did anyone hear the answer about who they think the best producers are??

Yeah. And? It's exactly what I would've expected them to say.


Well, just sayin... they are barely contemporaries if you consider Jam/Lewis were there long before Laface.
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Reply #32 posted 08/07/09 10:54am

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SoulAlive said:

daingermouz2020 said:

I'll go with LA & Babyface.

I think they have had more hits with a larger variety of artist
where Jam & Lewis who've also produced alot of folks as well have really had there biggest success with Janet Jackson. plus I think Laface records was more successful than Perspective records.So again .....LA & Face

(FACE BEING ABLE TO SING MAY HAVE GIVEN HIM AN EDGE WITH ME )



Yeah,this is a tough one but I'm gonna go with LA and Babyface.

Does anyone remember in the summer of '92 when there was a "friendly competition" thing going on with both camps? Both teams produced a movie soundtrack for films that were being released that summer: 'Boomerang' (LA and Babyface) and 'Mo Money' (Jam and Lewis).The media tried to make it a competition,lol.

Both sides used the heavy artillery.Jam and Lewis brought Janet Jackson and Luther Vandross on board for their soundtrack,but I think La and Face won this battle lol the 'Boomerang' soundtrack is superior.


The movie soundtrack is the only battle that LA and Babyface won if
you base it on chart success. I still like the Mo Money soundtrack
better. I thought it was a little more diverse with uptempo tracks
where as Boomerang was more laid back. I read an earlier comment that
L.A and face worked with more diverse artists than Jam and Lewis and
that their only meal ticket was Janet.
eek
Hello! Ever heard of the S.O.S band, Cherelle, Alexander O'Neal,
Patti LaBelle, Herb Alpert. Hardly mediocre artists. The only
artist that L.A and Face worked with consistently that compare
is Toni Braxton and Johnny Gill to an extent whom also worked
with Jam and Lewis.
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Reply #33 posted 08/07/09 11:25am

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Cinnie said:

AlexdeParis said:


Yeah. And? It's exactly what I would've expected them to say.


Well, just sayin... they are barely contemporaries if you consider Jam/Lewis were there long before Laface.

It was only a few years.
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Reply #34 posted 08/07/09 11:39am

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phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:




Yeah,this is a tough one but I'm gonna go with LA and Babyface.

Does anyone remember in the summer of '92 when there was a "friendly competition" thing going on with both camps? Both teams produced a movie soundtrack for films that were being released that summer: 'Boomerang' (LA and Babyface) and 'Mo Money' (Jam and Lewis).The media tried to make it a competition,lol.

Both sides used the heavy artillery.Jam and Lewis brought Janet Jackson and Luther Vandross on board for their soundtrack,but I think La and Face won this battle lol the 'Boomerang' soundtrack is superior.


The movie soundtrack is the only battle that LA and Babyface won if
you base it on chart success.

Well, they won the hard-fought battle of Karyn White. Her first album (LaFace) had more hits than her second (Jam & Lewis). Of course, "Romantic" was her biggest pop hit and Terry got to marry her, so it wasn't a total wash. lol

Come to think of it, they also won the battle of Boyz II Men ("End of the Road" over "On Bended Knee").

Hello! Ever heard of the S.O.S band, Cherelle, Alexander O'Neal,
Patti LaBelle, Herb Alpert. Hardly mediocre artists. The only
artist that L.A and Face worked with consistently that compare
is Toni Braxton and Johnny Gill to an extent whom also worked
with Jam and Lewis.

They may have been relatively brief supernovas, but I'd say Bobby Brown and Boyz II Men deserve a mention.
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Reply #35 posted 08/07/09 11:55am

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daingermouz2020 said:

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Depends on the genre, the artist, the song...of the 4, three had talent:
Harris, Lewis and Edmonds...Reid is the luckiest vaginal eater in the world.
He rode of off Babyface's creativity and became mega rich, and he has zero talent. He was a sub-par drumnmer and his biggest clai to fame was his womanizing, whore-mongering and cunninlingus skills...ask Shanice Wilson how she went into his office and turned it upside down - kind of like the Anita Baker vs. Sylvia Rhone catfight some years back




can you be a lot more specific ....I'd never heard any of this stuff.

*****

Reid had a penchant for eating pussy. He was always hitting (as in making pases) to married women or women that had/have boyfriends. He broke up Pebbles happy home. Her husband, George Smith, had them followed and under survelliance. Her husband was a bigtime car dealer out in California. He used to manage some musical acts back in the day. How unprofessional.Smith had put a lot of money into L.A. and Babyface.
Shanice Wilson went into his office because she was upset over LaFace's handling of her career. After her diva meltdown on L.A, and another dude came up to the office to pop L.A. for trying his woman that worked there. security was beefed up at the complex. He has bodyguards now because of the way he has pissed on people in the business from his days with The Deele foward. Let's not forget that he and Babyface had a major falling out over cooked books (finances) back in the day. Reid also tried Face's wife.
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Reply #36 posted 08/07/09 12:00pm

Timmy84

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:




Yeah,this is a tough one but I'm gonna go with LA and Babyface.

Does anyone remember in the summer of '92 when there was a "friendly competition" thing going on with both camps? Both teams produced a movie soundtrack for films that were being released that summer: 'Boomerang' (LA and Babyface) and 'Mo Money' (Jam and Lewis).The media tried to make it a competition,lol.

Both sides used the heavy artillery.Jam and Lewis brought Janet Jackson and Luther Vandross on board for their soundtrack,but I think La and Face won this battle lol the 'Boomerang' soundtrack is superior.


The movie soundtrack is the only battle that LA and Babyface won if
you base it on chart success. I still like the Mo Money soundtrack
better. I thought it was a little more diverse with uptempo tracks
where as Boomerang was more laid back. I read an earlier comment that
L.A and face worked with more diverse artists than Jam and Lewis and
that their only meal ticket was Janet.
eek
Hello! Ever heard of the S.O.S band, Cherelle, Alexander O'Neal,
Patti LaBelle, Herb Alpert. Hardly mediocre artists. The only
artist that L.A and Face worked with consistently that compare
is Toni Braxton and Johnny Gill to an extent whom also worked
with Jam and Lewis.


Yeah and Babyface worked with the more notable artists by himself. lol
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Reply #37 posted 08/07/09 12:13pm

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I like fruit. nod


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Reply #38 posted 08/07/09 12:34pm

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AlexdeParis said:

Cinnie said:



Well, just sayin... they are barely contemporaries if you consider Jam/Lewis were there long before Laface.

It was only a few years.


Well, Jam and Lewis started in 82/83 as a production team.

Babyface had "Slow Jam" on Midnight Star's "No Parking on the Dancefloor" album in 83. The Deele's first album was in 83.

So, there is not a big difference at all.
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Reply #39 posted 08/07/09 1:29pm

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Jam/Lewis
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Reply #40 posted 08/07/09 1:33pm

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vainandy said:

Jam and Lewis by a million miles. Jam and Lewis were absolutely great in the 1980s. In the late 80s, LA and Babyface were decent but they sounded like a weaker watered down version of Jam and Lewis.

Of course in the 1990s, they were all horrible. Jam and Lewis went to shit hop and LA and Babyface went to adult contemporary.


Actually, Babyface went on to have Lionel Richie-like crossover-pop success while LA Reid became more like Clive Davis' houseboy for a little bit.....but THAT's another thread! disbelief lol
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Reply #41 posted 08/07/09 1:40pm

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Cinnie said:

1 minute mark:


It's common knowledge that Jam/Lewis were helping LA/Babyface from the very beginning. nod
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Reply #42 posted 08/07/09 4:41pm

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AlexdeParis said:[quote]

phunkdaddy said:


Well, they won the hard-fought battle of Karyn White. Her first album (LaFace) had more hits than her second (Jam & Lewis). Of course, "Romantic" was her biggest pop hit and Terry got to marry her, so it wasn't a total wash. lol

Come to think of it, they also won the battle of Boyz II Men ("End of the Road" over "On Bended Knee").

Hello! Ever heard of the S.O.S band, Cherelle, Alexander O'Neal,
Patti LaBelle, Herb Alpert. Hardly mediocre artists. The only
artist that L.A and Face worked with consistently that compare
is Toni Braxton and Johnny Gill to an extent whom also worked
with Jam and Lewis.

They may have been relatively brief supernovas, but I'd say Bobby Brown and Boyz II Men deserve a mention.


All of this is true but i really was referring to artists that they worked
with consistently. Like Jam/Lewis producing 4-5 Janet albums, 4 S.O.S band
albums, 3 Cherrelle albums, 3 Alex O'Neal albums.
LA/Face did well in that regard with Toni Braxton. L.A face had lots
of hits i'm not taking that from them. I'm basically talking about
artists that were their own baby. Unfortunately for L.A/Face they
only got to do one album with Damien Dane. They had potential.
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Reply #43 posted 08/07/09 5:02pm

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phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:


They may have been relatively brief supernovas, but I'd say Bobby Brown and Boyz II Men deserve a mention.


All of this is true but i really was referring to artists that they worked
with consistently. Like Jam/Lewis producing 4-5 Janet albums, 4 S.O.S band
albums, 3 Cherrelle albums, 3 Alex O'Neal albums.
LA/Face did well in that regard with Toni Braxton. L.A face had lots
of hits i'm not taking that from them. I'm basically talking about
artists that were their own baby. Unfortunately for L.A/Face they
only got to do one album with Damien Dane. They had potential.

But they weren't together long enough to work with artists for 3 albums. lol
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Reply #44 posted 08/07/09 5:12pm

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AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:



All of this is true but i really was referring to artists that they worked
with consistently. Like Jam/Lewis producing 4-5 Janet albums, 4 S.O.S band
albums, 3 Cherrelle albums, 3 Alex O'Neal albums.
LA/Face did well in that regard with Toni Braxton. L.A face had lots
of hits i'm not taking that from them. I'm basically talking about
artists that were their own baby. Unfortunately for L.A/Face they
only got to do one album with Damien Dane. They had potential.

But they weren't together long enough to work with artists for 3 albums. lol


That's because Babyface became bigger than L.A. and didn't need him. razz
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Reply #45 posted 08/08/09 7:12am

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Hmmmm....hard to pick....I'm still undecided. Jam/Lewis had the slighty better uptempo stuff, while Babyface had the slighty better ballad material.
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Reply #46 posted 08/08/09 7:39am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

The Time >> The Deele

there it is!

interesting nod I prefer The Time.
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Reply #47 posted 08/08/09 7:39am

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JackieBlue said:

Jam & Lewis all day.

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Reply #48 posted 08/08/09 8:09am

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ok jam and lewis were more musical babyface was more electronic they ushered in2 the new era of garabge music. i liked both cuz they both worked wit some of the best i looked 2 both when i wanted what i was in the mood 4 at that time so i look 2 both as the best
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Reply #49 posted 08/08/09 9:08am

Cinnie

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ok jam and lewis were more musical babyface was more electronic they ushered in2 the new era of garabge music. i liked both cuz they both worked wit some of the best i looked 2 both when i wanted what i was in the mood 4 at that time so i look 2 both as the best


You know, that's basically it for me. Even Teddy Riley was more "musical" to me, but Babyface and L.A. Reid has a lot of plastic hits.
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Reply #50 posted 08/08/09 9:56am

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Tough one here. I know LA Reid is a great business man, just not sure how much he contributed creatively. A tie?
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Reply #51 posted 08/11/09 10:18am

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daingermouz2020 said:





can you be a lot more specific ....I'd never heard any of this stuff.

*****

Reid had a penchant for eating pussy. He was always hitting (as in making pases) to married women or women that had/have boyfriends. He broke up Pebbles happy home. Her husband, George Smith, had them followed and under survelliance. Her husband was a bigtime car dealer out in California. He used to manage some musical acts back in the day. How unprofessional.Smith had put a lot of money into L.A. and Babyface.
Shanice Wilson went into his office because she was upset over LaFace's handling of her career. After her diva meltdown on L.A, and another dude came up to the office to pop L.A. for trying his woman that worked there. security was beefed up at the complex. He has bodyguards now because of the way he has pissed on people in the business from his days with The Deele foward. Let's not forget that he and Babyface had a major falling out over cooked books (finances) back in the day. Reid also tried Face's wife.
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INTERESTING! If anything should ever happen to this guy ( I hope it doesn't for the record) The list of suspects will be off the charts. eek
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Reply #52 posted 08/11/09 4:14pm

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daingermouz2020 said:

RnBAmbassador said:


*****

Reid had a penchant for eating pussy. He was always hitting (as in making pases) to married women or women that had/have boyfriends. He broke up Pebbles happy home. Her husband, George Smith, had them followed and under survelliance. Her husband was a bigtime car dealer out in California. He used to manage some musical acts back in the day. How unprofessional.Smith had put a lot of money into L.A. and Babyface.
Shanice Wilson went into his office because she was upset over LaFace's handling of her career. After her diva meltdown on L.A, and another dude came up to the office to pop L.A. for trying his woman that worked there. security was beefed up at the complex. He has bodyguards now because of the way he has pissed on people in the business from his days with The Deele foward. Let's not forget that he and Babyface had a major falling out over cooked books (finances) back in the day. Reid also tried Face's wife.
[Edited 8/7/09 11:58am]



INTERESTING! If anything should ever happen to this guy ( I hope it doesn't for the record) The list of suspects will be off the charts. eek


I'm surprised that I haven't heard of a book coming out on Mr. Reid, lol.
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Reply #53 posted 08/11/09 9:01pm

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Jam and Lewis by a million miles. Jam and Lewis were absolutely great in the 1980s. In the late 80s, LA and Babyface were decent but they sounded like a weaker watered down version of Jam and Lewis.

Of course in the 1990s, they were all horrible. Jam and Lewis went to shit hop and LA and Babyface went to adult contemporary.
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Reply #54 posted 08/12/09 1:01am

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Growing up in Atlanta in the eighties and early nineties, I heard a LOT from LaFace and loved a lot of what I heard.

BUT...

I have said it before and I will say it again - if all that Jam and Lewis had ever worked on was Control and Rhythm Nation, I would still sing their praises over any of the competition.


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Reply #55 posted 08/12/09 2:38am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

The Time >> The Deele

there it is!


Jam & Lewis for me although I do like Face
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Reply #56 posted 08/12/09 2:53am

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SoulAlive said:

Does anyone remember in the summer of '92 when there was a "friendly competition" thing going on with both camps? Both teams produced a movie soundtrack for films that were being released that summer: 'Boomerang' (LA and Babyface) and 'Mo Money' (Jam and Lewis).The media tried to make it a competition,lol.

Both sides used the heavy artillery.Jam and Lewis brought Janet Jackson and Luther Vandross on board for their soundtrack,but I think La and Face won this battle lol the 'Boomerang' soundtrack is superior.

I remember indeeed. Bought both soundtracks and remember being so disappointed with the Mo Money soundtrack - it was like Jam and Lewis had turned up their trademark sounds and production effects to 11 and it was just noise, the melodies suffered. The version of Best Things In Life was not as good as the single version IMHO. Boomerang was the better film and soundtrack. End Of The Road was a mega-hit, Toni Braxton was introduced to the world and it had that lovely PM Dawn track (I think it was I'd Die without You - was that the one that sampled Father Figure by George Michael).

Overall though I think I prefer Jam and Lewis career wise.
Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad.
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Reply #57 posted 08/12/09 3:04am

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Jam & Lewis win the Christmas albums battle too. Alexander O'Neal's joint is standard in my casa like what I imagine Bing Crosby's was in the 50's. ...Plus the Sounds of Blackness song It's Christmas Time is Jam & Lewis.

Food for thought...

Some great Jam-Lewis tracks

Tell Me (if you still care) - S.o.S. Band
Feels So Right - Janet
Better Than Making Love - Chante Moore
Love's Still Alright - Chante Moore
Can You Stand the Rain? - New Edition
Come Back to Me - Janet
Lonely - Janet
Encore - Cheryl Lynn
Boys to Men - New Edition
Truth Hurts - Usher
Alright - Janet
When We Ooo - Janet
Crucial - New Edition
Pure Gold - Earth Wind & Fire
Human - The Human League
Saturday Love - Cherrelle & Alex
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Reply #58 posted 08/12/09 4:39am

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Janet is FINALLY getting back together with Jam/Lewis. She should never have left them; they are the only producers she’s had any real success with. clapping
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Reply #59 posted 08/12/09 4:50am

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I think LAFACE produced more artist WHOM CAN ACTUALLY SING than Jam & Lewis.
though they both did Johnny Gill.

Face did Whitney Houston, Tevin Campbell. Just those two alone were beast on the mike (Tevin still is)
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