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PrintableTimmy84 said: Brendan said: It is. He's not short in the album department at all. He just excelled years before the album was even remotely what it is today. And he was putting them out as fast as most people put out singles.  Well he did put out 600 singles by the 1980s. 
[Edited 8/6/09 23:26pm] That's insane. People can't keep up with that shit. | |
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Timmy84 said: candy2277 said: I know all about Clinton and his group. He also had a short stint at Motown. Every artist before 1965 was doing something other than funk because it wasn't developed yet. My point was about JB. Clinton changed his style (ie look). JB was still wearing suits and processed hair.This is not a diss becuase that is the culture JB came out of. I have uncles his age and they still process their hair LOL. Put it this way JB defined the music of funk whereas Clinton and Stone gave it the culture. James was rocking the natural between 1968 and 1972. Oh plese JB is famous for his process hair. He had to have natural between 68 and 72. This is the period of the black power movement. There is no way black folks were going to listen to him if he had that do. When black folks calmed downed, he went back to his preference. Also 4 years doesn't make up for all the other years. It seems that you want attack every small point I make becuae you think I'm a JB hater, which I'm not. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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Brendan said: Timmy84 said: Well he did put out 600 singles by the 1980s.
[Edited 8/6/09 23:26pm] That's insane. People can't keep up with that shit. I was counting up all the songs that made the R&B chart between '56 and '93, it's ridiculous! | |
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candy2277 said: Timmy84 said: James was rocking the natural between 1968 and 1972. Oh plese JB is famous for his process hair. He had to have natural between 68 and 72. This is the period of the black power movement. There is no way black folks were going to listen to him if he had that do. When black folks calmed downed, he went back to his preference. Also 4 years doesn't make up for all the other years. It seems that you want attack every small point I make becuae you think I'm a JB hater, which I'm not. I'm not attacking, just stating some info. I'm doing out of love, not anger.  | |
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Anyway, it's kinda difficult to say which was "better". Because JB and his groups, Sly and his group, George and his groups, etc., were the funkiest. Everyone else came after them. | |
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Timmy84 said: candy2277 said: Oh plese JB is famous for his process hair. He had to have natural between 68 and 72. This is the period of the black power movement. There is no way black folks were going to listen to him if he had that do. When black folks calmed downed, he went back to his preference. Also 4 years doesn't make up for all the other years. It seems that you want attack every small point I make becuae you think I'm a JB hater, which I'm not. I'm not attacking, just stating some info. I'm doing out of love, not anger. Well thats good to know. I do enjoy reading your psots on this stie. You have a lot of info and very knowlegable. Lets get back to the topic of the thread and not JB vs P Funk. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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candy2277 said: Timmy84 said: I'm not attacking, just stating some info. I'm doing out of love, not anger. Well thats good to know. I do enjoy reading your psots on this stie. You have a lot of info and very knowlegable. Lets get back to the topic of the thread and not JB vs P Funk. Thanks and yeah back on topic. | |
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Timmy84 said: candy2277 said: Oh plese JB is famous for his process hair. He had to have natural between 68 and 72. This is the period of the black power movement. There is no way black folks were going to listen to him if he had that do. When black folks calmed downed, he went back to his preference. Also 4 years doesn't make up for all the other years. It seems that you want attack every small point I make becuae you think I'm a JB hater, which I'm not. I'm not attacking, just stating some info. I'm doing out of love, not anger. Well thats good to know. I do enjoy reading your psots on this stie. You have a lot of info and very knowlegable. Lets get back to the topic of the thread and not JB vs P Funk. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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candy2277 said: Timmy84 said: No, James Brown was funky before funk was established. Just because he and his band wore tailored suits by the late 1960s didn't mean they were strictly R&B. I can see why people will hail P-Funk as the greatest funk outfit but James' grooves were the start of it. Even listening to them now they're still ahead of its time as with any record from P-Funk.
James Brown started off as a rhytmn and blues artist in the mid 50s. In 1965, he revolutionized music with "Papa's Got a Brand new Bag". This was considered to be the first of what we identify today as funk. So, yes he started funk but he didn't start his career that way. I didn't say whether P Funk was better than JB but that I understood that poster's point in favoring P Funk if you do it by the culture. Funk like hip hop today was rooted in a culture. Many of youth in the 70s had a certain way of talking and dressing and P Funk was the model for that. JB was still rooted in the old school R&B culture (circa late 50s and 60s). Outta Sight (1964) was the first Funk tune, Papa's bag was the follow-up.. Also, I'd say that Funk street style of the 1970s was more unfluenced by the sounds and looks of Blaxploitation than by P-Funk. There weren't too many people running around in space suits and wearing dipers, as far as I know. | |
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Timmy84 said: Considering the choices:
(in no particular order) 1.) Sly & the Family Stone 2.) The Isley Brothers 3.) Parliament-Funkadelic 4.) The JB's 5.) Bootsy's Rubber Band 6.) The Ohio Players 7.) Zapp 8.) The Gap Band 9.) The Funk Brothers 10.) The Meters 11.) Slave 12.) One Way 13.) Skyy 14.) Klymaxx 15.) Labelle 16.) Kool & the Gang 17.) Rufus and Chaka Khan 18.) Graham Central Station 19.) Mother's Finest 20.) The Dap Kings 21.) Fishbone 22.) The Brothers Johnson 23.) Cameo 24.) Con Funk Shun 25.) Lakeside 26.) The Time 27.) The Family Stand 28.) Mandrill 29.) Fatback 30.) The Jacksons (post-Motown/Philly Soul) [Edited 8/6/09 21:20pm] You forgot Chic!!! | |
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candy2277 said: LittleBLUECorvette said: You do releazie P-Funk started out as a doo-wop group the same yeasr JB released "Please, Please, Please" right. Also, they were doin' there Tempt thing by the mid 60's. It wasn't until the late 60s when they changed their style. And P-Funk of the mid 70s, is JB from the whole 60s to the early 70s, influencing youth young around America. I know all about Clinton and his group. He also had a short stint at Motown. Every artist before 1965 was doing something other than funk because it wasn't developed yet. My point was about JB. Clinton changed his style (ie look). JB was still wearing suits and processed hair.This is not a diss becuase that is the culture JB came out of. I have uncles his age and they still process their hair LOL. Put it this way JB defined the music of funk whereas Clinton and Stone gave it the culture. The roots of Funk was all about wearing suits and having a clean-cut, understated image on stage. Brown wasn't the only one, look at Dyke & The Blazers. Many modern Funk bands today that play the late 1960s Funk sound (like the Dap-Kings) wear suits. I really don't think that you can say that P-Funk = Funk culture. P-Funk was a powerful movement, but P-Funk was a genre of its own. There are many fantastic Funk acts in the mid-1970s that did not cover the P-Funk sound. I live and breathe Funk, but I don't even like P-Funk. Sly Stone was more popular with white folks in the late 1960s / early 1970s. | |
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Timmy84 said: candy2277 said: I know all about Clinton and his group. He also had a short stint at Motown. Every artist before 1965 was doing something other than funk because it wasn't developed yet. My point was about JB. Clinton changed his style (ie look). JB was still wearing suits and processed hair.This is not a diss becuase that is the culture JB came out of. I have uncles his age and they still process their hair LOL. Put it this way JB defined the music of funk whereas Clinton and Stone gave it the culture. James was rocking the natural between 1968 and 1972. Good point!  | |
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Hidden strength Mass production ADC band Mandrill Blackbyrds La Carnival The Amnesty | |
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Can't believe nobody mentioned these guys:
Or these guys: or these: What about these? And them: And let's take it back a little bit ... | |
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Timmy84 said: Brendan said: It is. He's not short in the album department at all. He just excelled years before the album was even remotely what it is today. And he was putting them out as fast as most people put out singles. Well he did put out 600 singles by the 1980s.
[Edited 8/6/09 23:26pm] 600? Naw, that's a gross overstatement. By the 1985, Brown had released exactly 207 singles under his name, uncluding promos and some re-issues. There were 292 singles released as James Brown productions and/or by his associated artists. But even though they were either financed by him and/or had his name on the label, he didn't actually perform on most of them and didn't produce most of them. So let's keep it real here ... 600 is a bit much, even for James Brown. | |
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candy2277 said: Well I'm going to bring up something that most people on here will probably not consider to be in this category but what about the Stax house band that backed up Otis Redding, Sam and Dave, Carla Thomas, etc. Some of this music is pretty funky. Booker T and the MGs "Green Onions" is funky.
I think that the first set of the Bar-Keys are very well in the Funk category and deserve to be on that list. | |
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MrSoulpower said: Timmy84 said: Well he did put out 600 singles by the 1980s.
[Edited 8/6/09 23:26pm] 600? Naw, that's a gross overstatement. By the 1985, Brown had released exactly 207 singles under his name, uncluding promos and some re-issues. There were 292 singles released as James Brown productions and/or by his associated artists. But even though they were either financed by him and/or had his name on the label, he didn't actually perform on most of them and didn't produce most of them. So let's keep it real here ... 600 is a bit much, even for James Brown. I was trying to make a funny when I said 600, I know it was about 300. | |
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Timmy84 said: MrSoulpower said: 600? Naw, that's a gross overstatement. By the 1985, Brown had released exactly 207 singles under his name, uncluding promos and some re-issues. There were 292 singles released as James Brown productions and/or by his associated artists. But even though they were either financed by him and/or had his name on the label, he didn't actually perform on most of them and didn't produce most of them. So let's keep it real here ... 600 is a bit much, even for James Brown. I was trying to make a funny when I said 600, I know it was about 300. Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. | |
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MrSoulpower said: Timmy84 said: I was trying to make a funny when I said 600, I know it was about 300. Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I was about to say now you know better than to think I would believe he really did release 600 songs.  It's like an exaggeration. Some people will state "man been around for 100 years" and he been around for 60. | |
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Timmy84 said: vainandy said: I think "Mighty Mighty" is very funky but I'm not going to list Earth, Wind, and Fire because I don't want Greycap to come in here and beat my ass. Graycap will get mad if he sees someone listing EWF! I don't know why tho. Lol.....mad? It just makes me laugh. When u say EW&F...is FUNK the 1st thing that comes 2 your mind? | |
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MrSoulpower said: Can't believe nobody mentioned these guys:
 THANKS for posting this. I never heard of The Counts, but this cut is already on repeat!![Edited 8/7/09 21:13pm] perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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candy2277 said: LittleBLUECorvette said: EWF are Funk. They don't Funk all the time (just like Isley, ect) but they Funk. I agree. People need to check out their early albums (cds now LOL). My father has a 3 album set that was released as one album in the early 70s. I used to play it on our family record player. It is so funky. Two funk jams from that album are "Fan the Fire" and "Help Somebody". It also has a great slow jam "Think About Lovin You". There are other great songs as well. Most people tend to associate them with their late 70s and early 80s disco period but they did and can funk. E,W,&F softened a bit i think when disco and David Foster entered the picture. But Africano Power (live), Shining Star, On Your Face, Saturday Night, - even Serpentine Fire is plenty funky for me. | |
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You all know I can't resist a list thread.
No way could I say these rankings are anything scientific but for the sake of all the time I spend talking music - this is right in my sweet spot. 1. The JB's 2. Parliament/Funkadelic 3. Sly & the Family Stone 4. Slave 5. Prince 6. Mint Condition 7. The Time 8. Earth, Wind & Fire 9. Graham Central Station 10. Stevie Wonder (one man band) 11. ConFunkShun 12. Cameo 13. Rufus w/ Chaka Khan 14. The Clarke-Duke Project 15. Lakeside 16. The Gap Band 17. Bootsy's Rubber Band 18. Rick James & the Stone City Band 19. The Brothers Johnson 20. Tony! Toni! Tone'! 21. The Ohio Players 22. The Dazz Band 23. Zapp / Roger 24. Brick 25. The Deele 26. One Way 27. Raydio 28. Chuck Brown & the Soul Searchers 29. Kool & the Gang 30. Tom Browne [Edited 8/8/09 3:24am] ...took out Jamaica Boys and LA. Connection. ...J-Boys was sick tho! Marcus Miller, and Lenny White with Mark Stevens on vocals. I think Mark is Chaka's brother. [Edited 8/8/09 5:00am] | |
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I'll add Kleeer, Mtume and Pleasure, but actually wanna know how "greatest" is measured ? (catalogue/chart hits/endurance/influence-innovation/performance/personal preference-taste)
I could name another list of groups who had released incredible albums, though their catalogue is limited or sometimes they even had just one album released. Despite that fact, do those brief-appeared groups count too ? [Edited 8/8/09 3:57am] | |
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Shango said: I'll add Kleeer, Mtume and Pleasure, but actually wanna know how "greatest" is measured ? (catalogue/chart hits/endurance/influence-innovation/performance/personal preference-taste)
I could name another list of groups who had released incredible albums, though their catalogue is limited or sometimes they even had just one album released. Despite that fact, do those brief-appeared groups count too ? [Edited 8/8/09 3:57am] Ya, I hear ya. I need to re-think. LA.Connection was one album. Jamaica Boys did two I think. I should remove them... I will edit. | |
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bobsteezy said:[quote] Shango said: Ya, I hear ya. I need to re-think. LA.Connection was one album. Jamaica Boys did two I think. I should remove them... I will edit. Naw naw, you don't have to if ya feel they should deserve their nomination 
Man, those 2 bands and their releases are TIGHT ! And Lenny + Marcus from the Jamaica Boys have such a rich catalogue before the JB's. This collabo was the cream on top lol. I think The Reddings released a great mix of funk albums. Dexter Redding is solid power on that bass. | |
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Timmy scratch in Commodores, Dennis Coffey, Johnny "Guitar" Watson, maybe George Duke? | |
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TD3 said: Dennis Coffey, Johnny "Guitar" Watson, maybe George Duke?
Maybe their bands, Watsonian Institute and the George Duke Band (mid-to late 70's ?) lol. Did Dennis have his own band ? | |
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Graycap23 said: Timmy84 said: Graycap will get mad if he sees someone listing EWF! I don't know why tho. Lol.....mad? It just makes me laugh. When u say EW&F...is FUNK the 1st thing that comes 2 your mind? No, Philip Bailey's falsetto is. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Timmy84 said: vainandy said: Wait just a damn minute....how in the hell did I forget The Commodores? I guess I forgot them because Lionel Richie lost his damn mind and stopped making funk.
 You can always put in quotations (pre-cheese Lionel Richie). (when Walter Orange was on lead vocals instead of Lionel Richie) is EXACTLY how I would say it! | |
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