ViintageJunkiie said:

But even with that, it reminds me of when artists used to do one-nighters (as the Jackson 5 probably did in the very early days).

klick2me said:

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Have any of you read the Rolling Stone interview. Everyone in the article is stating that Mike said more than once he wanted to beat P's record.

laurarichardson said:

Thank u! I forgot about that write up. Did you see the video of the writer of that article? Enjoy!

Klick
http://www.rollingstone.c...r/29263623
[Edited 8/4/09 20:58pm]

klick2me said:

This just makes him seem out of touch to me. It's not that 50's too old--hell, I think Tina Turner could have done 50 shows.

But, MJ missed almost all of his rehearsals, was said to not be in great health, and required narcotics to sleep? There's no way he could have done 50 shows.

He needed a comeback--that's for sure. But he needed more time.



Of course, if he were healthy enough, he probably would have sold out all 50 shows.

Imago said:

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He was out of touch and it is really sad. He was so competitive and I doubt P was think about him in a competive way over the last few years.

laurarichardson said:

Well, I'm sure Prince is probably pondering how lotusflow3r can't compete with the record sales of a dead man.

I don't think Prince ever thought of MJ as a 'peer' in the regular sense. Indeed, I would imagine Prince thinking he is in a league all his own. But it would be nice if he felt a bit of competitiveness in him musically, cause his stuff has sounded a bit uninspired.
I was relieved when I liked Lotusflow3r and MPLsound straight away.

GAWT DAYUM!!

if he wanted to beat Prince's 21 shows then he could have signed up for, hmmmm....22! not 50. He probably felt competitive in the sense where they told him "oh you can outsell Prince and all PLUS get out of debt, blah blah blah"

We all know MJ had a competitor's spirit, but to think this was his prime motivation...puhleeze. Try a 500 million dollar debt....

Which sounds better to say in public though?
Imma leave the horse be now.

Michael was competitive with Prince and had alot of respect for him

I am starting to think that these "opposing views" of MJ during his last days really aren't opposing at all. Both are probably true: MJ would rather not have tried to tour at all but felt pressured because of his debts and whatnot. Then having agreed to do the shows, he decided to go "big," as it seemed to be his way. Beating Prince's record, being in the Guinness Book of Records etc. were good motivational tools for him....ways to feel psyched about the whole ordeal.

As I saw Dileo on Larry King tonight, I started thinking about how lucky they were to have each other as contemporaries (and how lucky we are/were). As Dileo babbled on, my mind wandered off. Because Prince & MJ are/were like night and day, I had fun wondering what they really felt about each other's work. Like, what was MJ's fave song by Prince and vice versa. And, then I tried to think of one of their songs that the other could do justice. It was hard. I can almost hear MJ singing on "I Wanna Be Your Lover," in a "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough," type of way, but the emotion? With lyrics like "I wanna be the only one you cum for....."? LOL! No way! Way too squishy for MJ! I have an even harder time thinking of Prince doing a MJ song, as MJ's songs seem so dense and tightly produced/structured. Not a lot of room for Prince to get Princey lol (I know Prince recently covered a few Jackson songs in concert, but I mean recorded as their own...you know, in fantasyland.)

Obviously, I need to go to bed. If you'll excuse me...

Imago said:

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Well P was never in Mike legue when it came to record sales. He just was never clean cut enough or mainstream for a lot of people. However, music wise
he was a million years ahead of Mike and Lotus Flower and Mpls are great Cds.
And at the end of the day he is going to be remembered for putting out some phenomal music and handling himself well over the longhaul

Imago said:

I'm pretty sure that he is NOT thinking about that.....

again..

Can someone please explain IF he did do 50 shows, and that was a big if to begin with - Doing 50 shows over 9 months.

How is that "beating" Prince when he did 21 shows in 3 weeks, no days off, 100% live with aftershows. It's not like Prince barely sold out 21 shows, he could have sold out more. It was his concept, kinda hit & run make quick money as he is pretty much semi-retired now.

Lets all be honest we can spin "what would have been" and casting your mind back to Reagan was president and pretending the 2009 tour would have been that MJ. Hey to be honest I feel sorry for the guy, he has some really sick dark issues not many really knew with collapsed veins, using sons name to score drugs,etc.

If he did the 50 shows he would have been laughed off the stage - via music reviews. He was contracted to do 13 minutes per show, it was by fans accounts the lip sync track from the history tour, he had body doubles,etc.

But I guess anything would have been better then nothing! Huh.

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laurarichardson said:

I think Prince was very nice to say he was a genius. I think he respected him for what he did in his time. What these fans want from him is just well strange! Prince hasnt ever talked about his own kid dying. Prince isnt the type to ever put out statements. I could be wrong I dont think he has ever put out a AP Statement. Even with his Warner Bros Contract, His Son Dying, His Mom & Dad Dieing.. or even for his JW nonsense. Happy & Sad Prince doesnt do that. But when asked he did call the guy a genius!

There is your statement Prince thought MJ was a genius. When asked about Janet he said that was the genius's sister.

ElectricBlue said:

Prince didn't do 21 nights in three weeks! check your facts. He isn't the last son of Krypton. it was spread over August and September. And he didn't perform at every aftershow either, went to a few he wasn't there for (Nikka being one, alright he was, 2mins on the guitar and off he went)

Lip synch track on that short clip, maybe, we don't know what the full show would have entailed. body doubles?! Please! no way, there are laws in the UK that would prevent such things from happening anyway.

But believe what you do and type more nonsense, by all means.

How lame!!
He was like a walking statistic

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Imago said:

I wouldn't take too much stock in the genius statement. Prince also once called TLC his favorite band. Prince has a tendency to just say things.

Can you explain the body doulbe and 13-minute-per-show statement?

Does this mean we could have seen a show in which he only appeared a fraction of that time?


I knew there was going to be extensive lip syncing, which is really unfortunate, especially for the ballads, but I don't understand the body double concept.

Michael Jackson sold out 50 shows at the O2, beating Prince's previous record of selling out 21 shows at the O2. Period.

Jestyr said:

How much music did his fans get 2 see and hear?

midiscover said:

more like Janet Flop queen.

ElectricBlue said:

have you taken your medication today?

ElectricBlue said:

I've never heard of the 13 minute per show & body double situation. Do you have a link that provides that info?

Jestyr said:

Is this kind of like selling ocean front property in Arizona?

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

You eat Janet's shit for breakfast!!!!!


[Edited 8/5/09 12:22pm]

ViintageJunkiie said:

I just love how ppl will come up with the craziest things and pass them on as fact even thought they have never been proven.

midiscover said:

stop being a

Jestyr said:

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You guys kill me Mike literally killed himself trying to beat Prince and never got to do the damm shows. So Mike is dead but he somehow still beat P's record.

Did it ever occur to you that P had enough sense to not even try to do 50.
He crammed close to 100 shows into a little less than six months on the 2004 tour and in some pics he looked exhausted.

I think would know between the two of them who had a little more going on upstairs.

laurarichardson said:

well wearing assless pants to award shows and changing your name to a symbol doesn't help much.

klick2me said:

Well, that worked out well, didn't it?

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

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Well the next day everyone was talking about P on the MTV awards and nothing else and it did not stop D&P from selling about 5 million copies and P has put a lot of cash in his pockets from his symbol days.

He knows how to keep the controversary going and that is why he is still around and working.

P's last five look a damm site better than Mike last five.
P worked Mike did not head of story.