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MJ wanted to beat Prince's 21 nights with 50 shows!

Michael Jacksons manager Frank Dileo just announced on Larry King Live that he agreed to 50 shows at the O2 arena so he could beat Prince's 21 nights. Interesting!

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klick2me said:

Michael Jacksons manager Frank Dileo just announced on Larry King Live that he agreed to 50 shows at the O2 arena so he could beat Prince's 21 nights. Interesting!

Klick


...he didn't barely want to do 10 shows. rolleyes seriously, let the man be in peace beatdeadhorse He only wanted to get out of debt and try to be happy. He was not even thinking about competing with no Prince. sad
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Reply #3 posted 08/04/09 7:07pm

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Lord Jesus... beatdeadhorse
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BklynBabe said:

BklynBabe said:



...he didn't barely want to do 10 shows. rolleyes seriously, let the man be in peace beatdeadhorse He only wanted to get out of debt and try to be happy. He was not even thinking about competing with no Prince. sad



I ment no disrespect to MJ. Fact is his manager said MJ new about all 50 shows and that he agreed to them. He also mentioned that he was very competitive and that he wanted to beat P's 21 shows. I'm only repeating what was said.

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Reply #5 posted 08/04/09 7:21pm

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klick2me said:

BklynBabe said:




I ment no disrespect to MJ. Fact is his manager said MJ new about all 50 shows and that he agreed to them. He also mentioned that he was very competitive and that he wanted to beat P's 21 shows. I'm only repeating what was said.

Klick


I don't think she was attacking your post. I think she (and I) were kinda upset at Frank. We've heard different accounts, some said MJ wanted to do 50, others said he wanted to do 10, AEG said 31, lol.
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Reply #6 posted 08/04/09 7:27pm

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I'm saying his manager is telling a hot lie and he needs to let his EX client be in peace and stop trying to start some nonsense beatdeadhorse People clearly stated a long time ago that MJ felt no such way. They damn near begged the man to do the first 10 shows because he didn't want to work any more.

that's why it was called the "This is it!" tour and if he could have called it "I don't want to deal with anyone's bullshit ever in life" tour, I'm sure he would have.

He was so anxious over it he couldn't even sleep and was taking an IV anesthestic because his insomnia was that bad and damn killed himself.

Shit!
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Reply #7 posted 08/04/09 7:32pm

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BklynBabe said:

I'm saying his manager is telling a hot lie and he needs to let his EX client be in peace and stop trying to start some nonsense beatdeadhorse People clearly stated a long time ago that MJ felt no such way. They damn near begged the man to do the first 10 shows because he didn't want to work any more.

that's why it was called the "This is it!" tour and if he could have called it "I don't want to deal with anyone's bullshit ever in life" tour, I'm sure he would have.

He was so anxious over it he couldn't even sleep and was taking an IV anesthestic because his insomnia was that bad and damn killed himself.

Shit!


I've noticed that MJ looked kinda restless at the conference. He was so sure this was IT. It was almost as if he was saying "I'm retiring". Now I wonder if he was really down with even performing any of the shows. confused It's sad that his "managers" are all trying to plead their case on how he "wanted to do the shows" or at least do 10 of them. shrug We'd never know unless some diaries of his get leaked if he even had personal diaries.
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[Edited 8/4/09 19:40pm]
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Reply #9 posted 08/04/09 7:45pm

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^ poor punch bowl. falloff
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Reply #10 posted 08/04/09 7:48pm

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Timmy84 said:

BklynBabe said:

I'm saying his manager is telling a hot lie and he needs to let his EX client be in peace and stop trying to start some nonsense beatdeadhorse People clearly stated a long time ago that MJ felt no such way. They damn near begged the man to do the first 10 shows because he didn't want to work any more.

that's why it was called the "This is it!" tour and if he could have called it "I don't want to deal with anyone's bullshit ever in life" tour, I'm sure he would have.

He was so anxious over it he couldn't even sleep and was taking an IV anesthestic because his insomnia was that bad and damn killed himself.

Shit!


I've noticed that MJ looked kinda restless at the conference. He was so sure this was IT. It was almost as if he was saying "I'm retiring". Now I wonder if he was really down with even performing any of the shows. confused It's sad that his "managers" are all trying to plead their case on how he "wanted to do the shows" or at least do 10 of them. shrug We'd never know unless some diaries of his get leaked if he even had personal diaries.



Before this thread gets locked... lol

I don't think MJ could have done 50 shows, let alone 21, even if he was in better shape than he was before passing.



But whether he agreed to do 50 shows or not is another thing. I would like to believe he was thinking more along the lines of 10 shows as he couldn't have been that ignorant of his condition, but we'll never know.

It would have been nice to see him do at least half of those shows--it certainly would have been an enormous cash cow for him, and then get back in the studio and record something without all this King of Pop crap layered over it--something worth listening to.

It could have been a very big year for MJ, outside of the unfortunate halo effect bestowed upon him in passing.

Very unfortunate.


In no way am I saying this to be mean or cruel, but pondering this makes me glad that I'm a Prince fan, and that Prince at least doesn't appear to be anywhere near retiring yet. (that of course is arguable to some folks lol )
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Reply #11 posted 08/04/09 7:48pm

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^ poor punch bowl. falloff


I know right. lol That was unintentionally funny even though it was the episode your boy James Evans was killed. sad The show never recovered when John Amos left that show on a contractual dispute and his belief that Jimmy Walker was overshadowing him and Esther (which I couldn't disagree with).
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Reply #12 posted 08/04/09 7:49pm

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BklynBabe said:

I'm saying his manager is telling a hot lie and he needs to let his EX client be in peace and stop trying to start some nonsense beatdeadhorse People clearly stated a long time ago that MJ felt no such way. They damn near begged the man to do the first 10 shows because he didn't want to work any more.

that's why it was called the "This is it!" tour and if he could have called it "I don't want to deal with anyone's bullshit ever in life" tour, I'm sure he would have.

He was so anxious over it he couldn't even sleep and was taking an IV anesthestic because his insomnia was that bad and damn killed himself.

Shit!

Hmmm, interesting. I also have heard as reported that he only wanted to do 10 shows. Then people like his cook and others from the tour say that he was hyped and ready to get it on. So it's kinda hard to say what is true. I know one thing.... I'm missin' Mike big time! Still tripping! We even went to Neverland this past Saturday. This poor lady who was there cried like it was June 25th. So sad.

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Reply #13 posted 08/04/09 7:50pm

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Timmy84 said:



I've noticed that MJ looked kinda restless at the conference. He was so sure this was IT. It was almost as if he was saying "I'm retiring". Now I wonder if he was really down with even performing any of the shows. confused It's sad that his "managers" are all trying to plead their case on how he "wanted to do the shows" or at least do 10 of them. shrug We'd never know unless some diaries of his get leaked if he even had personal diaries.



Before this thread gets locked... lol

I don't think MJ could have done 50 shows, let alone 21, even if he was in better shape than he was before passing.



But whether he agreed to do 50 shows or not is another thing. I would like to believe he was thinking more along the lines of 10 shows as he couldn't have been that ignorant of his condition, but we'll never know.

It would have been nice to see him do at least half of those shows--it certainly would have been an enormous cash cow for him, and then get back in the studio and record something without all this King of Pop crap layered over it--something worth listening to.

It could have been a very big year for MJ, outside of the unfortunate halo effect bestowed upon him in passing.

Very unfortunate.


In no way am I saying this to be mean or cruel, but pondering this makes me glad that I'm a Prince fan, and that Prince at least doesn't appear to be anywhere near retiring yet. (that of course is arguable to some folks lol )


Nah I get what you mean. shrug

But then again, who knows? Only MJ and his enablers, "managers" and friends knew what was up...
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Timmy84 said:

dreamfactory313 said:

^ poor punch bowl. falloff


I know right. lol That was unintentionally funny even though it was the episode your boy James Evans was killed. sad The show never recovered when John Amos left that show on a contractual dispute and his belief that Jimmy Walker was overshadowing him and Esther (which I couldn't disagree with).


LMAO, The episode was supposed to be sad, but I laughed through out the whole show

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Imago said:

Timmy84 said:



I've noticed that MJ looked kinda restless at the conference. He was so sure this was IT. It was almost as if he was saying "I'm retiring". Now I wonder if he was really down with even performing any of the shows. confused It's sad that his "managers" are all trying to plead their case on how he "wanted to do the shows" or at least do 10 of them. shrug We'd never know unless some diaries of his get leaked if he even had personal diaries.



Before this thread gets locked... lol

I don't think MJ could have done 50 shows, let alone 21, even if he was in better shape than he was before passing.



The 50 shows were going to be spread out over 8 months. So without doing my math, we're looking at no more than 7 shows PER MONTH for 8 months
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Reply #16 posted 08/04/09 7:55pm

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Timmy84 said:

Imago said:




Before this thread gets locked... lol

I don't think MJ could have done 50 shows, let alone 21, even if he was in better shape than he was before passing.



But whether he agreed to do 50 shows or not is another thing. I would like to believe he was thinking more along the lines of 10 shows as he couldn't have been that ignorant of his condition, but we'll never know.

It would have been nice to see him do at least half of those shows--it certainly would have been an enormous cash cow for him, and then get back in the studio and record something without all this King of Pop crap layered over it--something worth listening to.

It could have been a very big year for MJ, outside of the unfortunate halo effect bestowed upon him in passing.

Very unfortunate.


In no way am I saying this to be mean or cruel, but pondering this makes me glad that I'm a Prince fan, and that Prince at least doesn't appear to be anywhere near retiring yet. (that of course is arguable to some folks lol )


Nah I get what you mean. shrug

But then again, who knows? Only MJ and his enablers, "managers" and friends knew what was up...



Yup.
At this point some fool could say MJ was told by the ghost of Gandhi to round up to 50, and CNN would give that shit airplay on all the major media outlets. lol
No need for research. Just barf up the hearsay cause it gets ratings. lol
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Reply #17 posted 08/04/09 7:56pm

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Timmy84 said:

dreamfactory313 said:

^ poor punch bowl. falloff


I know right. lol That was unintentionally funny even though it was the episode your boy James Evans was killed. sad The show never recovered when John Amos left that show on a contractual dispute and his belief that Jimmy Walker was overshadowing him and Esther (which I couldn't disagree with).


What, contractual dispute? I always thought he died in a car wreck.



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ViintageJunkiie said:

Imago said:




Before this thread gets locked... lol

I don't think MJ could have done 50 shows, let alone 21, even if he was in better shape than he was before passing.



The 50 shows were going to be spread out over 8 months. So without doing my math, we're looking at no more than 7 shows PER MONTH for 8 months

Yes, I know.
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Reply #19 posted 08/04/09 7:58pm

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Timmy84 said:

klick2me said:




I ment no disrespect to MJ. Fact is his manager said MJ new about all 50 shows and that he agreed to them. He also mentioned that he was very competitive and that he wanted to beat P's 21 shows. I'm only repeating what was said.

Klick


I don't think she was attacking your post. I think she (and I) were kinda upset at Frank. We've heard different accounts, some said MJ wanted to do 50, others said he wanted to do 10, AEG said 31, lol.


the thing is and no disrespect to MJ, but im tired of hearing "experts" say that a 50 year old couldnt do 50 shows, WHAT??? A 50 year old in shape and not on anything can do anything, that is some stupid shit, and i heard it countless times on Larry King from guests, Rick Springfield is turning 60 this year and he has played more shows this year than ever in his career in one year (81 concerts) , and what about acts like the stones and springsteen and others that do long ass shows. The only reason that 50 shows was too many was that Michael was not ready to do it plain and simple. You have to train for it, i mean i have myself training because i have a goal of running and finishing the NYC marathon, but i didnt wake up one day and say im going to run 27 miles, i have to run everyday and build and build and build, i mean common sense, MJ was not ready because he hadnt done a damn thing in a decade at least
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ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:



I know right. lol That was unintentionally funny even though it was the episode your boy James Evans was killed. sad The show never recovered when John Amos left that show on a contractual dispute and his belief that Jimmy Walker was overshadowing him and Esther (which I couldn't disagree with).


LMAO, The episode was supposed to be sad, but I laughed through out the whole show



It was funny when Martin played his mama saying those exact words in his own fashion! falloff
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Reply #21 posted 08/04/09 8:00pm

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klick2me said:

Timmy84 said:



I know right. lol That was unintentionally funny even though it was the episode your boy James Evans was killed. sad The show never recovered when John Amos left that show on a contractual dispute and his belief that Jimmy Walker was overshadowing him and Esther (which I couldn't disagree with).


What, contractual dispute? I always thought he died in a car wreck.



Klick


John was upset that they were using Jimmie as the bait for ratings and he felt the show should've stayed focus on it being a show about him getting his kids out of the ghetto but when he wasn't complied about it, he left. John's still very much alive unless you're mentioning his character dying in a car accident.
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Reply #22 posted 08/04/09 8:01pm

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Timmy84 said:



I don't think she was attacking your post. I think she (and I) were kinda upset at Frank. We've heard different accounts, some said MJ wanted to do 50, others said he wanted to do 10, AEG said 31, lol.


the thing is and no disrespect to MJ, but im tired of hearing "experts" say that a 50 year old couldnt do 50 shows, WHAT??? A 50 year old in shape and not on anything can do anything, that is some stupid shit, and i heard it countless times on Larry King from guests, Rick Springfield is turning 60 this year and he has played more shows this year than ever in his career in one year (81 concerts) , and what about acts like the stones and springsteen and others that do long ass shows. The only reason that 50 shows was too many was that Michael was not ready to do it plain and simple. You have to train for it, i mean i have myself training because i have a goal of running and finishing the NYC marathon, but i didnt wake up one day and say im going to run 27 miles, i have to run everyday and build and build and build, i mean common sense, MJ was not ready because he hadnt done a damn thing in a decade at least
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Yeah you have good points there. MJ was performing off and on after the "HIStory" tour but he didn't wanna do tours anymore so he didn't bother doing it.
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Imago said:

ViintageJunkiie said:



The 50 shows were going to be spread out over 8 months. So without doing my math, we're looking at no more than 7 shows PER MONTH for 8 months

Yes, I know.


Oh, because you made it seem like he wouldnt have been able to do it.
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Imago said:


Yes, I know.


Oh, because you made it seem like he wouldnt have been able to do it.


Um. Yes, that too. 2+2=4 lol
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Reply #25 posted 08/04/09 8:05pm

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Concert dates scheduled:
July 2009
July 13
July 16
July 18
July 22
July 24
July 26
July 28
July 30
August 2009
August 1
August 3
August 10
August 12
August 17
August 19
August 24
August 26
August 28
August 30
September 2009
September 1
September 3
September 6
September 8
September 10
September 21
September 23
September 27
September 29
January 2010
January 7
January 9
January 12
January 14
January 16
January 18
January 23
January 25
January 27
January 29
February 2010
February 1
February 3
February 8
February 10
February 12
February 16
February 18
February 20
February 22
February 24
March 2010
March 1
March 3
March 6

That's a pretty intense schedule. Plus he wasn't doing a sit down guitar intimate vibe concert. He was going to try to put on his usual extravagant show. Now I'm sure once it was all said and done, he was a professional and a perfectionist so he was going to try and do his best, but that is a very strenuous plan.
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lastdecember said:



the thing is and no disrespect to MJ, but im tired of hearing "experts" say that a 50 year old couldnt do 50 shows, WHAT??? A 50 year old in shape and not on anything can do anything, that is some stupid shit, and i heard it countless times on Larry King from guests, Rick Springfield is turning 60 this year and he has played more shows this year than ever in his career in one year (81 concerts) , and what about acts like the stones and springsteen and others that do long ass shows. The only reason that 50 shows was too many was that Michael was not ready to do it plain and simple. You have to train for it, i mean i have myself training because i have a goal of running and finishing the NYC marathon, but i didnt wake up one day and say im going to run 27 miles, i have to run everyday and build and build and build, i mean common sense, MJ was not ready because he hadnt done a damn thing in a decade at least
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Yeah you have good points there. MJ was performing off and on after the "HIStory" tour but he didn't wanna do tours anymore so he didn't bother doing it.


Yeah i mean it was nothing more than a money making thing, which is fine, but he was in no shape for an extensive run. I mean look at The Police on their reunion tour, the other guys (stewart and andy) had to train almost a year to do those shows, to be in condition to hold up for 2+ hours because they hadnt toured in a long time, and those two dont dance or sing

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Imago said:

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Oh, because you made it seem like he wouldnt have been able to do it.


Um. Yes, that too. 2+2=4 lol


Well, we'll never know
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Reply #28 posted 08/04/09 8:09pm

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Timmy84 said:



Yeah you have good points there. MJ was performing off and on after the "HIStory" tour but he didn't wanna do tours anymore so he didn't bother doing it.


Yeah i mean it was nothing more than a money making thing, which is fine, but he was in no shape for an extensive run. I mean look at The Police on their reunion tour, the other guys (stewart and andy) had to train almost a year to do those shows, to be in condition to hold up for 2+ hours because they hadnt toured in a long time, and those two dont dance or sing


Yeah I'm beginning to understand what artists go through just to get prepared for a show! eek
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Concert dates scheduled:
July 2009
July 13
July 16
July 18
July 22
July 24
July 26
July 28
July 30
August 2009
August 1
August 3
August 10
August 12
August 17
August 19
August 24
August 26
August 28
August 30
September 2009
September 1
September 3
September 6
September 8
September 10
September 21
September 23
September 27
September 29
January 2010
January 7
January 9
January 12
January 14
January 16
January 18
January 23
January 25
January 27
January 29
February 2010
February 1
February 3
February 8
February 10
February 12
February 16
February 18
February 20
February 22
February 24
March 2010
March 1
March 3
March 6

That's a pretty intense schedule. Plus he wasn't doing a sit down guitar intimate vibe concert. He was going to try to put on his usual extravagant show. Now I'm sure once it was all said and done, he was a professional and a perfectionist so he was going to try and do his best, but that is a very strenuous plan.


That schedule isn't intense. Intense would be doing a show everyday or every other day. He had more than 3 days in between some of his shows.
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