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Reply #60 posted 08/06/09 10:03am

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paisleypark4 said:

Remastered in Mono? How exciting?


At least for the first 6 or 7 albums, the mono mixes were the ones that the band worked on and approved, as well as being the ones which all the time was spent on perfecting. They are NOT "fold downs" (taking the stereo mix and hitting the mono button) of the stereo mixes by any means but completely different mixes.
The stereo mixes were seen as more of a novelty and done almost as an after thought. So, yes, the thought of having all "the" mono mixes is VERY EXCITING!



exactly, Geoff Emerick, their engineer, said that everything from Revolver and before should be listened to in mono to hear the complete presentation as it was intended.

That said, I might like to hear a decent remixing of the early stuff in a more conventional stereo, rather than a drums on one side, vocals on the other type of mix.
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Reply #61 posted 08/06/09 10:12am

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NDRU said:

nd33 said:



At least for the first 6 or 7 albums, the mono mixes were the ones that the band worked on and approved, as well as being the ones which all the time was spent on perfecting. They are NOT "fold downs" (taking the stereo mix and hitting the mono button) of the stereo mixes by any means but completely different mixes.
The stereo mixes were seen as more of a novelty and done almost as an after thought. So, yes, the thought of having all "the" mono mixes is VERY EXCITING!



exactly, Geoff Emerick, their engineer, said that everything from Revolver and before should be listened to in mono to hear the complete presentation as it was intended.


Even after Revolver, I think the Beatles mixed in mono up til the end of their run
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Reply #62 posted 08/06/09 10:21am

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Cinnie said:

NDRU said:




exactly, Geoff Emerick, their engineer, said that everything from Revolver and before should be listened to in mono to hear the complete presentation as it was intended.


Even after Revolver, I think the Beatles mixed in mono up til the end of their run


you may be right. Sad, I have an old mono LP of revolver and I've never heard it because soon after I got it my turntable went down
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Reply #63 posted 08/06/09 10:59am

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NDRU said:




exactly, Geoff Emerick, their engineer, said that everything from Revolver and before should be listened to in mono to hear the complete presentation as it was intended.


Even after Revolver, I think the Beatles mixed in mono up til the end of their run


The mono box set includes up to the white album, so it may be a clue that abbey rd and let it be were the only albums mixed primarily for stereo...
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Reply #64 posted 08/06/09 11:02am

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nd33 said:

Cinnie said:



Even after Revolver, I think the Beatles mixed in mono up til the end of their run


The mono box set includes up to the white album, so it may be a clue that abbey rd and let it be were the only albums mixed primarily for stereo...

...and Yellow Submarine.
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Reply #65 posted 08/06/09 11:03am

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NDRU said:

NoVideo said:

I can't decide which one I will listen to first... but I suspect it will be Abbey Road.

Can't wait!


I think I'd have to go in order, so Please Please Me is first

I'm going straight for my favorites, so it's Rubber Soul and Past Masters, Vol. 2 for me. music
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Reply #66 posted 08/06/09 11:14am

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nd33 said:

Cinnie said:



Even after Revolver, I think the Beatles mixed in mono up til the end of their run


The mono box set includes up to the white album, so it may be a clue that abbey rd and let it be were the only albums mixed primarily for stereo...


you can hear that those albums are more modern sounding mixes compared to all the others
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Reply #67 posted 08/06/09 11:24am

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The mono mixes have differences in the volume levels and in some cases even new sounds. I wish the boxed set had both version included.
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Reply #68 posted 08/06/09 11:27am

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The mono mixes have differences in the volume levels and in some cases even new sounds. I wish the boxed set had both version included.


My cd of Pet Sounds has both mixes on one cd. The albums are so short (with a few exceptions) they could certainly fit them both on there.

I suppose there's an issue with keeping the purity of just the album, no extras tagged on at the end, even if it's the whole album. that way you don't bum out your trip, I guess
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Reply #69 posted 08/06/09 12:46pm

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AlexdeParis said:

VinnyM27 said:

I don't believe I finally bought a Beatles CD ("Abbey Road") right before. The sound is not good and it does need remastering, so I'm going to try and pawn it off before these re releases happen.

Starting at the end? Interesting. hmmm

It has my favorite Beatles track on it ("Here Comes The Sun") and some other greats ("Come Together"). Not really a huge fan overall.
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Reply #70 posted 08/06/09 1:45pm

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AlexdeParis said:

NDRU said:



I think I'd have to go in order, so Please Please Me is first

I'm going straight for my favorites, so it's Rubber Soul and Past Masters, Vol. 2
for me. music


I think I'm gonna listen to these CDs in order lol although I'm so tempted to start with 'Sgt.Peppers'!
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Reply #71 posted 08/06/09 1:47pm

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drool
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Reply #72 posted 08/06/09 1:53pm

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thumbs up!
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Reply #73 posted 08/06/09 2:18pm

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Damn The Beatles!!!!! They got my $$$$$ again.
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Reply #74 posted 08/06/09 2:33pm

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Damn The Beatles!!!!! They got my $$$$$ again.


seriously, there's a mono remasters, too? ridiculous! I guess they learned something from Bowie!
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Reply #75 posted 08/06/09 2:54pm

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AlexdeParis said:

nd33 said:



The mono box set includes up to the white album, so it may be a clue that abbey rd and let it be were the only albums mixed primarily for stereo...

...and Yellow Submarine.


love you Beatles nerds
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Reply #76 posted 08/06/09 5:58pm

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This is about 15 years overdue.
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Reply #77 posted 08/06/09 6:29pm

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nd33 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Remastered in Mono? How exciting?


At least for the first 6 or 7 albums, the mono mixes were the ones that the band worked on and approved, as well as being the ones which all the time was spent on perfecting. They are NOT "fold downs" (taking the stereo mix and hitting the mono button) of the stereo mixes by any means but completely different mixes.
The stereo mixes were seen as more of a novelty and done almost as an after thought. So, yes, the thought of having all "the" mono mixes is VERY EXCITING!


I'm really not sure which one to get. My wreckasto guy is buying both for himself but I can't decide. Hopefully he'll let me listen to both before choosing.

Which version are you people going to get? Stereo or Mono?

These would have been nice as dualdiscs with stereo on one side and mono on the other smile

I'm still ecstatic though!
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Reply #78 posted 08/06/09 6:48pm

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seriously.. this can't come soon enough
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Reply #79 posted 08/06/09 7:16pm

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connorhawke said:

nd33 said:



At least for the first 6 or 7 albums, the mono mixes were the ones that the band worked on and approved, as well as being the ones which all the time was spent on perfecting. They are NOT "fold downs" (taking the stereo mix and hitting the mono button) of the stereo mixes by any means but completely different mixes.
The stereo mixes were seen as more of a novelty and done almost as an after thought. So, yes, the thought of having all "the" mono mixes is VERY EXCITING!


I'm really not sure which one to get. My wreckasto guy is buying both for himself but I can't decide. Hopefully he'll let me listen to both before choosing.

Which version are you people going to get? Stereo or Mono?

I think I'm going stereo. I don't want to have to buy the last 3 albums separately and I want the included DVD. If the stereo remasters sound as good as Love, I'll be happy.
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Reply #80 posted 08/06/09 7:36pm

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AlexdeParis said:

connorhawke said:



I'm really not sure which one to get. My wreckasto guy is buying both for himself but I can't decide. Hopefully he'll let me listen to both before choosing.

Which version are you people going to get? Stereo or Mono?

I think I'm going stereo. I don't want to have to buy the last 3 albums separately and I want the included DVD. If the stereo remasters sound as good as Love, I'll be happy.


Mono all the way for me! "Thumps harder" sounds good to me! headbang
This might help make up your minds.....

About the mono mixx of Sgt Peppers album:
"When Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band came up, my first impression was that the sound had more thump than the stereo mix. A lot more thump, for a lack of a better word. It was like someone was beating me with a hammer. It was kind of noisy, but it filled my head and pushed me in a way the stereo version didn't.

Then good old Ringo—my favorite Beatle—came up singing With A Little Help From My Friends. Same effect. It felt weird, but so much better. I kept coming back to the stereo versions for comparison and, before I noticed, I was thinking: "These sounds a lot weaker. These sound artificial." Gone was the separation of instruments in the right and left channel too, which now feels so artificial. It was artificial, since stereo was a novelty back then: Most people still listened to music in mono and stereo was the "new thing." As a result, producers overused it, just for the sake of it, like when 3D cinema came out and everything was an excuse to fire arrows and rocks and monsters at the public.

I definitely liked the way the mono version sounded—a lot more, even while I knew the stereo version till the last beat and note. LSD came up: same result. The sound is crisper and nearer. The bass a lot better. Again that special thump, even while this is such a delicate song. Getting Better gets better, and so does the rest, Fixing a Hole, She's Leaving Home, Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite... I just couldn't have enough.

But that wasn't all. In the mono version you can hear stuff that is not in the stereo version. And not just bits, but quite a lot of things. Instruments, notes, even lyrics. Take the reprise version of Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: It is full of shouting—Lennon going bananas at the end, and other bits at the beginning—that is not in the stereo mix."

http://i.gizmodo.com/5216...a-lot-more
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Reply #81 posted 08/06/09 7:49pm

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it is fortunate that more care is taken with the Beatles catalog than any other band or artist.. they are completely doing this the right way.
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Reply #82 posted 08/06/09 8:37pm

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nd33 said:

AlexdeParis said:


I think I'm going stereo. I don't want to have to buy the last 3 albums separately and I want the included DVD. If the stereo remasters sound as good as Love, I'll be happy.


Mono all the way for me! "Thumps harder" sounds good to me! headbang
This might help make up your minds.....

About the mono mixx of Sgt Peppers album:

[snip]

http://i.gizmodo.com/5216...a-lot-more

But that article is not about these new remastered albums.
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Reply #83 posted 08/06/09 10:40pm

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connorhawke said:

nd33 said:



At least for the first 6 or 7 albums, the mono mixes were the ones that the band worked on and approved, as well as being the ones which all the time was spent on perfecting. They are NOT "fold downs" (taking the stereo mix and hitting the mono button) of the stereo mixes by any means but completely different mixes.
The stereo mixes were seen as more of a novelty and done almost as an after thought. So, yes, the thought of having all "the" mono mixes is VERY EXCITING!



I'm really not sure which one to get. My wreckasto guy is buying both for himself but I can't decide. Hopefully he'll let me listen to both before choosing.

Which version are you people going to get? Stereo or Mono?

These would have been nice as dualdiscs with stereo on one side and mono on the other smile

I'm still ecstatic though!



I'm gonna get the stereo version....to start with lol May go back later and get the mono set,after I listen to it and read some reviews.
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Reply #84 posted 08/06/09 11:42pm

nd33

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nd33 said:



Mono all the way for me! "Thumps harder" sounds good to me! headbang
This might help make up your minds.....

About the mono mixx of Sgt Peppers album:

[snip]

http://i.gizmodo.com/5216...a-lot-more

But that article is not about these new remastered albums.


Yeah but thats a typical response of people who have heard the mono mixes including the words of the engineers - Punchy drums and bass!

As noted in the above article, the beatles didnt even bother attending the mix sessions for the stereo versions. They were all about the mono. And they were bringing in Motown and such records to the studio and saying to the engineers "make the bass huge like this!"...their attendance of the mono mix sessions certainly had a big impact on the way those records sounded.

From an engineering perspective, you can't make drums and bass punch as hard when it's coming out of one speaker on one side (which was common on those stereo mixes). It's impossible....that's just the start of the reasons why the mono mixes will be better IMO.
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Reply #85 posted 08/07/09 12:04am

SoulAlive

nd33 said:

Mono all the way for me! "Thumps harder" sounds good to me! headbang
This might help make up your minds.....

About the mono mixx of Sgt Peppers album:
"When Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band came up, my first impression was that the sound had more thump than the stereo mix. A lot more thump, for a lack of a better word. It was like someone was beating me with a hammer. It was kind of noisy, but it filled my head and pushed me in a way the stereo version didn't.

Then good old Ringo—my favorite Beatle—came up singing With A Little Help From My Friends. Same effect. It felt weird, but so much better. I kept coming back to the stereo versions for comparison and, before I noticed, I was thinking: "These sounds a lot weaker. These sound artificial." Gone was the separation of instruments in the right and left channel too, which now feels so artificial. It was artificial, since stereo was a novelty back then: Most people still listened to music in mono and stereo was the "new thing." As a result, producers overused it, just for the sake of it, like when 3D cinema came out and everything was an excuse to fire arrows and rocks and monsters at the public.

I definitely liked the way the mono version sounded—a lot more, even while I knew the stereo version till the last beat and note. LSD came up: same result. The sound is crisper and nearer. The bass a lot better. Again that special thump, even while this is such a delicate song. Getting Better gets better, and so does the rest, Fixing a Hole, She's Leaving Home, Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite... I just couldn't have enough.

But that wasn't all. In the mono version you can hear stuff that is not in the stereo version. And not just bits, but quite a lot of things. Instruments, notes, even lyrics. Take the reprise version of Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: It is full of shouting—Lennon going bananas at the end, and other bits at the beginning—that is not in the stereo mix."

http://i.gizmodo.com/5216...a-lot-more



After reading this,I may have to reconsider! lol Like others have said,I wish we could get mono and stereo versions in the same box set.
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Reply #86 posted 08/07/09 5:29am

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I understand the whole mono and stereo debate but for my ears I will get the Stereo mixes. It's kinda like the whole CD/vinyl debate. I understand both sides of that issue but once again for me it's CDs. Minus the reduced artwork of course.
Not to be picky but I was really hoping The Beatles albums would get the 5.1 surround sound treatment. Like the Love album. Oh well, maybe that's later down the line. Still very excited.smile
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Reply #87 posted 08/07/09 5:42am

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This is about 15 years overdue.


true,but better late than never smile
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Reply #88 posted 08/08/09 1:18am

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Bfunkthe1 said:


Not to be picky but I was really hoping The Beatles albums would get the 5.1 surround sound treatment. Like the Love album.

nod yup, here's to hopefully down the line! pray
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Reply #89 posted 08/09/09 8:20am

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Remastering The Beatles catalog
The re-mastering process commenced with an extensive period conducting tests before finally copying the analogue master tapes into the digital medium. When this was completed, the transfer was achieved using a Pro Tools workstation operating at 24 bit 192 kHz resolution via a Prism A-D converter. Transferring was a lengthy procedure done a track at a time. Although EMI tape does not suffer the oxide loss associated with some later analogue tapes, there was nevertheless a slight build up of dust, which was removed from the tape machine heads between each title.
From the onset, considerable thought was given to what audio restorative processes were going to be allowed. It was agreed that electrical clicks, microphone vocal pops, excessive sibilance and bad edits should be improved where possible, so long as it didn’t impact on the original integrity of the songs.

In addition, de-noising technology, which is often associated with re-mastering, was to be used, but subtly and sparingly. Eventually, less than five of the 525 minutes of Beatles music was subjected to this process. Finally, as is common with today’s music, overall limiting - to increase the volume level of the CD - has been used, but on the stereo versions only. However, it was unanimously agreed that because of the importance of The Beatles’ music, limiting would be used moderately, so as to retain the original dynamics of the recordings.

When all of the albums had been transferred, each song was then listened to several times to locate any of the agreed imperfections. These were then addressed by Guy Massey, working with Audio Restoration engineer Simon Gibson.

Mastering could now take place, once the earliest vinyl pressings, along with the existing CDs, were loaded into Pro Tools, thus allowing comparisons to be made with the original master tapes during the equalization process. When an album had been completed, it was auditioned the next day in studio three –a room familiar to the engineers, as all of the recent Beatles mixing projects had taken place in there – and any further alteration of EQ could be addressed back in the mastering room. Following the initial satisfaction of Guy and Steve, Allan Rouse and Mike Heatley then checked each new re-master in yet another location and offered any further suggestions. This continued until all 13 albums were completed to the team’s satisfaction.

http://www.beatles-histor...tered.html



I ordered the mono set yesterday:


I'll be getting the stereo set a bit later...

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