Timmy84 said:

I was probably one of the first people anywhere to sense that the Michael scene was eerily like Elvis'. I was saying this before the death of MJ was confirmed, and it's why I just knew he was gone. I'm a huge Elvis fan so the longevity of the reports of him being dead made me think of the lengths people went to keep Elvis alive. And contrary to your beliefs, Elvis' men did do CPR, in fact, they knocked out his teeth to create a passageway, Ambulance personel first though "why are they working so hard on someone who is dead", then they took him to the hospital for more of the same. The times were much different then, people didn't know as much about addiction, there was also much more shame because it didn't happen to superstars, or if it did, it was thought of as a character deficiency. They did rush to say Elvis died of heart attack, and even to this day it doesn't seem definitive as to why he died. I believe, when it was all said and done the result was "death from polypharmacy" or from too many different drugs interacting in his body. He was also said to have the arteries of an 80 year old man and I've also heard he actually died of a Valsalva maneuver which is when someone is BM'ing and they strain and it constricts the blood and stops the heart. He was said to have crawled a few feet and died having bitten through his tongue. Old people commonly die of Valsalva Maneuver's. Graphic, hideous stuff. Most likely, whatever killed Elvis was brought about by the overall poor health from drug and diet.

dearmother said:

I wanna hear this....



I understand that. But since it´s completed, why don´t they release it? Or won´t they release it until they have someone behind the barrs?

ehuffnsd said:

That's not quite true, no we didn't have CNN and all of that but Elvis' death was monumental, everyone was shocked. People flocked to graceland from all over, a couple people died in the ensuing bedlam. I can still remember his death, not even knowing who he was at the time. Michaels was eerily similar, only bigger and crazier.

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mozfonky said:

my point is about leaks to the media, he's saying that wouldn't have happened or didn't happen to Elvis. I'm saying they would have or did. I'm using the only recent event we have the death of Pope JP2 even in the case of Princess Di another person with the same impact as the Pope, Elvis and MJ there were leaks like a sieve on what was going on.

to say it shouldn't happen with MJ is a bit freakish fan thinking to me.

ehuffnsd said:

and my point is that word of Elvis' death spread very quickly. The media has certainly degenerated since then or since before then. It used to be, FDR could keep his inability to walk unaided a secret from the American people, or a Joe Louis could go out with white starlets and the media wouldn't hound them quite as much. These days every move is analyzed, interpreted and dissected. Obama's glancing past a behind made big news, it's really way, way too much. I think it's so irresponsible too, how can anyone print or copy or repeat what Ian Halperin has said about anything when he is a known scumbag. Yet, someone pays the guy to write and someone prints the stories. Back in Elvis' day there was a writer named Steve Dunleavy who blew the top off of Elvis' secret life with "Elvis What Happened?" This was to come out shortly after Elvis death, Elvis knew about it and his Memphis Mafia were filmed talking openly about his drug abuse. People knew he wasn't in great shape, but you know, as it is with all of us, we don't and can't change people much. It's only too damned bad that someone has to die for people to realize how much they really do love them.

mimi07 said:

Mike is in heaven thinking "so this is the planet Earth where they called ME a wacko!"

mozfonky said:

which proves that even in 1978 the media was leaking, that's how we found out about Watergate.

mozfonky said:

Yeah I had heard that he had had CPR done on him. His former bodyguard was the one that dispute that, not me.

ehuffnsd said:

It wasn't leaking as fast as today's info. Now you REALLY have to watch for "Big Brother". So much for upgrading.

Rare 1980 interview with Molly Meldrum

http://www.youtube.com/wa...mmO8RggyDA

Timmy84 said:

i've totally not watched Big Brother this season, my cuddle buddy and i used to watch that together but since we are speaking to each other anymore aside from an occasional hello i kinda don't wanna watch it.

bboy87 said:

Thanks.
Thinking about it, Molly did four interviews with Mike altogether. Has any other journalist done so many interviews with him?
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ehuffnsd said:

I never got into that show much either.

Timmy84 said:

you laugh at me!!! you go back to sleeping alone in your own bed after spending two years sleeping next to someone almost every night. than tell me how funny it is

ehuffnsd said:

I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at your former buddy, lol.
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Timmy84 said:

cuddle buddy? it's like a fuck buddy but with out the sex and just sleeping. the joy of not having to follow the societal norms of getting married and having children you get step up relationships that work for you.

my mentor has told me that you only need three things in life:
A cuddle buddy, a fuck buddy, and a good best friend. you are lucky if you can find that in one person but you shouldn't feel like a failure if you find it in separate people.


but anyway...

ehuffnsd said:

Ah I see.

ehuffnsd said:

interesting.

Timmy84 said:

Well, it's pretty much fact. I think after he died, either Joe Esposito or Charlie Hodge said something about not performing CPR. Why they said that who knows, probably had some reason. Another interesting thing, I read in a book, doctors conjecturing what the actual cause was. They said in a typical OD a person first goes unconscious then the system shuts down. So in that way, Elvis did not die of an OD as such. I think they just called it polypharmacy, well you know. They have several causes of death on a death certificate. Such as, "person died of xXXX as a result of XXXX as a result of XXXX. Similar to them saying Michael died of Cardiac arrest, means nothing, everyone who dies has cardiac arrest.

new from LL Cool J

dreamfactory313 said:

Hmmmmm.....

ehuffnsd said:

then you got the watergate scandal a few years too late. In 1978, the scandal was long over.

ehuffnsd said:

Oh, I'm really sorry for you.

Timmy84 said:

rubbish, cuddle buddy... most ridicioulouyuous thing I've ever heard.

Still No Final Resting Place For Michael
August 11

He spent the last few years of his life on a globe-trotting odyssey, and now in death Michael Jackson still seems unable to find a permanent home.

On the certificate recording Jackson's June 25 death, the entertainer's body is listed as being at Los Angeles' Forest Lawn Memorial Park, but that location is listed as temporary, and no amended death certificate has been filed with Los Angeles County.

With the announcement Monday that the county coroner's office had completed its autopsy of Jackson, coupled with reports that investigators had returned a portion of Jackson's brain to his family, rumors of where his final resting place might be swirled across the Internet. But the people who know exactly where he is and where he might be going aren't saying.

Forest Lawn spokesman Bill Martin declined to say if Jackson's body would be laid to rest permanently at the cemetery or if it is still there, citing the family's request for privacy. A family spokesman Jesse Derris said the family had no statement to make.

In an interview broadcast Friday with CNN's Larry King, Jackson's older brother Jermaine said he would like to see his sibling laid to rest at Neverland Ranch, the bucolic estate in central California's wine country that the entertainer bought in 1988 and turned into his personal Peter Pan-like wonderland. But Jermaine Jackson said it would be up to his mother, Katherine, to make the final decision.

Although it's rare for someone's remains not to be promptly buried or entombed, it's not unheard of. The body of one of Jackson's musical heroes, James Brown, remained unburied for two months after his 2006 death while people fought over control of his estate.


Elvis Presley, whose daughter was once married to Jackson, was entombed at a Memphis, Tenn., cemetery for nearly two months after his death in August 1977, then moved to a garden at his Graceland mansion. The Forest Hill cemetery says on its Web site the temporary arrangement was made while Graceland was being prepared for Presley's burial.

For Jackson to be buried on private property like Neverland his family would have to get approval from both state and local authorities. Before local officials would sign off they likely would want to schedule public hearings, said Nicole Koon, deputy communications director for Santa Barbara County.

"Certainly there would be a review process that would be triggered when and if that permit request comes through to the county," she said, adding no such request had been made.

During the nearly 20 years he lived at Neverland, Jackson turned its rolling hills and verdant pastures into a children's paradise, complete with bumper car rides, a Ferris wheel, a train modeled after the one at Disneyland and a zoo filled with tigers, elephants, orangutans and a giraffe.

He regularly opened the estate to children by the hundreds, many of them from local schools, until he was arrested in 2004 and charged with molesting a 13-year-old boy.

After being acquitted in 2005, Jackson abandoned Neverland, taking his three children with him on an international journey, living for a time in Bahrain and then Las Vegas. More recently he shuttled to London, where he was to launch a 50-show run of concerts in July that were to mark his return to the public eye and, he hoped, restore his image as the King of Pop.

He was living in a rented mansion in Los Angeles and rehearsing for the shows when he died at age 50.


http://www.startribune.co...page=1&c=y

Jackson's Death Reopens Painful Memories for Elvis Fans


In the days after Michael Jackson's death, Joann Smith couldn't turn off her TV. She felt she was reliving the pain of her own idol's death almost 32 years ago — Elvis Presley.

"I said 'I can't believe it's happening again,'" Smith recalled. "It hurt, it really did. Even though I wasn't a Michael Jackson fan, I could feel the pain because it happened to somebody I had loved, and I know what his family and his fans were going through."

Smith, who is president of the Elvis Fever fan club in Jacksonville, Fla., and millions of others will remember the fallen icon Aug. 16, the day he was found dead in his home at age 42 in 1977, the victim of heart failure worsened by prescription drug abuse.

They are quick to offer advice to Jackson fans: Focus on the pop idol's music and generosity, not his shortcomings or the rumors about his death.

"Don't believe everything you hear and read," Smith warned. "Respect him for what you hear of his music and don't listen to the gossip."

Sandi Pichon of Slidell, La., who says she knew Presley personally and has written two books about him, "Raised on Elvis! Elvis! Elvis!" and "Elvis on Tour '75," says the pain will ease but never lift.

"Much like Elvis, once he touched your life you're never the same," Pichon said of Jackson. "The comfort they are going to find is listening to his music and relying on his memories and keeping the positive things alive."

Pichon will travel to Presley's Graceland mansion in Memphis for Elvis Week, a nine-day run of festivals and events that begins Saturday.

If Presley is any guide, there will be a proliferation of Jackson fan clubs. Elvis Presley Enterprises, a corporate entity created by Presley's trust to run Graceland, recognizes more than 500 active fan clubs around the world.

"It's really nice to get together and reminisce — 'Did you see Elvis in concert?' 'What was it like?' 'I played this record until it was no more and I had to replace it,'" said Geri Vegher, president of Oklahoma Fans for Elvis. "It makes a difference to get together and talk things out and relive your memories. I'd tell Michael Jackson fans to be prepared to do that and to do it with gladness."

Fans say it also helps having Graceland, a bustling museum and tourist site with more than 600,000 people a year passing through its music-note encrusted gates. The 13.8-acre home and grounds include the singer's grave.

"I think it makes a difference," Vegher said. "I stand honor guard every year (at Graceland), and when people go up the hill to the grave site they're laughing, they're talking, they're reliving their memories. But when they come back down on the other side, they're sober, they're crying, they're very emotional."

The connections between Presley's Graceland and Jackson's Neverland ranch are strong. Presley's daughter, Lisa Marie, was once married to Jackson, and some of the same questions about the future of Neverland were raised about Graceland.

The Presley estate opened the property as a for-profit museum in 1982 to help pay for upkeep. Graceland has since become one of Memphis' top attractions.

"Elvis kind of set the bar for a lot of things, not just the music but even concert production and how security is done. I think beyond his death he's still setting the bar in terms of how to manage the estate and market him," said Jamie Coyne, founder and vice president of Elvis Extravaganza Fan Club in Columbus, Ohio, which bills itself as the largest Elvis fan club in the world with 164,000 members.

"If you take Elvis' grave away from Graceland and put it in a cemetery, you take away the moneymaking ability and the focal point for fans," Coyne said.

But others believe Presley and Jackson shared a magnetism and connection to their fans that transcends any physical place or structure.

"He could give you a grin that would melt your heart or make you believe you were the most special person in the world," Pichon said of Presley. "His love for his fans was reflected through his performance, and I think the same thing is true of Michael Jackson. People felt they were part of his life whether they knew him or not."

"It's really nice to get together and reminisce — 'Did you see Elvis in concert?' 'What was it like?' 'I played this record until it was no more and I had to replace it,'" said Geri Vegher, president of Oklahoma Fans for Elvis. "It makes a difference to get together and talk things out and relive your memories. I'd tell Michael Jackson fans to be prepared to do that and to do it with gladness."

Fans say it also helps having Graceland, a bustling museum and tourist site with more than 600,000 people a year passing through its music-note encrusted gates. The 13.8-acre home and grounds include the singer's grave.

"I think it makes a difference," Vegher said. "I stand honor guard every year (at Graceland), and when people go up the hill to the grave site they're laughing, they're talking, they're reliving their memories. But when they come back down on the other side, they're sober, they're crying, they're very emotional."

The connections between Presley's Graceland and Jackson's Neverland ranch are strong. Presley's daughter, Lisa Marie, was once married to Jackson, and some of the same questions about the future of Neverland were raised about Graceland.

The Presley estate opened the property as a for-profit museum in 1982 to help pay for upkeep. Graceland has since become one of Memphis' top attractions.

"Elvis kind of set the bar for a lot of things, not just the music but even concert production and how security is done. I think beyond his death he's still setting the bar in terms of how to manage the estate and market him," said Jamie Coyne, founder and vice president of Elvis Extravaganza Fan Club in Columbus, Ohio, which bills itself as the largest Elvis fan club in the world with 164,000 members.

"If you take Elvis' grave away from Graceland and put it in a cemetery, you take away the moneymaking ability and the focal point for fans," Coyne said.

But others believe Presley and Jackson shared a magnetism and connection to their fans that transcends any physical place or structure.

"He could give you a grin that would melt your heart or make you believe you were the most special person in the world," Pichon said of Presley. "His love for his fans was reflected through his performance, and I think the same thing is true of Michael Jackson. People felt they were part of his life whether they knew him or not."


http://www.startribune.co...page=2&c=y

Jackson Movie Coming Out With 3-D Digital Sequences
Aug 11


Michael Jackson will be hitting the big screen on one of the toughest dates of the year at the box office.

Sony Pictures today confirmed the long-reported deal that it is joining with Sony Music Entertainment to release a movie featuring behind-the-scenes and rehearsal footage from preparation for the late singer's "This Is It" concert series in London.

Sony paid $60 million to concert producer AEG and the singer's estate for rights to turn the footage into a movie. Though the deal was negotiated last month, it was officially approved by a Los Angeles Superior Court judge today.

The studio will release the film, also called "This Is It," worldwide on Friday, Oct. 30. Sony will no doubt be tying the opening into Michael Jackson's Halloween-oriented classic album and video "Thriller." But with the holiday falling on a Saturday, attendance will likely be soft on what's normally the busiest movie-going day of the week.

Many of the fall's best release dates are already taken, however. The only other movie currently scheduled to open Oct. 30 is The Weinstein Co.'s comedy "Youth in Revolt."

Sony also revealed that some sequences, which were shot for use in the concert, will be in digital 3-D.

Now that the deal has been approved by the court, said a source close to the project, Sony will begin negotiations with "High School Musical" director Kenny Ortega, Jackson's creative partner on the concert series, to direct the movie.

That will consist primarily of sorting through and editing the hundreds of hours of footage for which Sony has obtained theatrical rights.]

Should I go see This is It....I think I may just...

jamgirl said:

i will, let's try to make it no.1