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Jackson's mother objects to deals updated 1 hour, 22 minutes ago By Alan Duke CNN LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The dispute between Michael Jackson's mother and the men Jackson chose to run his estate after his death threatens to delay or derail plans for a documentary of the pop singer's last days. Katherine Jackson has accused the executors of her son Michael's estate of "keeping her in the dark." Katherine Jackson's lawyers objected in court Monday to the deals made by the Michael Jackson estate's special administrators with concert promoter AEG Live and merchandising company Bravado. The lawyer for AEG Live, which promoted Jackson's shows in London, England, told Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff that the company has already made many concessions to the estate and could not make more. She suggested the company might walk away from the deals, which would include production of a documentary about Jackson's last months using Jackson rehearsal video. Howard Weitzman, a lawyer for the special administrators, told the judge the deals were "aggressively negotiated and reflect the exhaustion of all parties on give and take, and greatly benefit the estate." "I don't believe there is room for more negotiation," Weitzman said. Provisions of the agreements state that if Beckloff does not approve them by the end of Monday, the deals would be canceled and would have to be renegotiated. The judge has previously said he may approve them even if Katherine Jackson objects. The judge ordered a break in the hearing to allow the two sides to talk while he looked at Katherine Jackson's objection. He said he received her objection only minutes before the hearing began Monday morning. Beckloff on Friday approved a contract with Columbia Pictures, which had Katherine Jackson's blessing, but that deal depends on the other agreements also being approved by the judge. Jermaine Jackson, Michael Jackson's older brother, told CNN's Larry King last week that he likes the deals, which he said could bring in nearly $100 million into the Michael Jackson estate. Katherine Jackson and Jackson's three children are the main beneficiaries of the estate, which is controlled by Jackson's former lawyer, John Branca, and longtime Jackson friend and music executive John McClain. Katie don't like NONE a dis! Katie has been made for a while. Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: That means the TMZ/Associated Press reports are not believable. FALSE. people have sources within the police department that are more than willing to spill the beans. But why the fuck would they even do that? The hell they wanna tell people if the investigation is supposed to be secretive, that means you don't leak out information. Did they do this during Elvis' and Kurt's autopsies? [Edited 8/10/09 14:35pm] | |
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Serena said: Timmy84 said: Macaulay Culkin has been mentioned as a godfather. Is it possible to have more than one godparent for the same kids? I meant to ask about this again after reading a People mag article that was posted earlier. It mentioned that in '93, MJ had all 3 kids baptized in the Catholic Church and that Lester was the godfather. But unless MJ was Catholic, I'm not sure if that would be allowed...unless it was a Priest who bent the rules. According to this link http://www.catholiceducat...e0233.html, if you have more than one godparent, it should be one male, one female. the parents don't have to be Catholic to have their child baptized. it's would be strange but not impossible. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Also let's remember, this is the first time where we're hearing a lot of people saying that either he was killed, or he wanted the drugs, or he committed suicide or any of that, and they'll tell anybody from rumor sites to "respected news pages" like the Associated Press. Not everything is as cut and dry as it's supposed to be. | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: FALSE. people have sources within the police department that are more than willing to spill the beans. But why the fuck would they even do that? The hell they wanna tell people if the investigation is supposed to be secretive, that means you don't leak out information. Did they do this during Elvis' and Kurt's autopsies? [Edited 8/10/09 14:35pm] Kurt's was a gun shot wound, umm you can't really make that secret. all jouranlists have sources somewhere. just watch the nightly news or CNN or MSNBC almost everything about what's going in the government comes from unnamed sources. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Timmy84 said: Also let's remember, this is the first time where we're hearing a lot of people saying that either he was killed, or he wanted the drugs, or he committed suicide or any of that, and they'll tell anybody from rumor sites to "respected news pages" like the Associated Press. Not everything is as cut and dry as it's supposed to be.
sources inside the police department only know the answer to the autopsy. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: But why the fuck would they even do that? The hell they wanna tell people if the investigation is supposed to be secretive, that means you don't leak out information. Did they do this during Elvis' and Kurt's autopsies? [Edited 8/10/09 14:35pm] Kurt's was a gun shot wound, umm you can't really make that secret. all jouranlists have sources somewhere. just watch the nightly news or CNN or MSNBC almost everything about what's going in the government comes from unnamed sources. OK, what about Elvis? | |
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: Also let's remember, this is the first time where we're hearing a lot of people saying that either he was killed, or he wanted the drugs, or he committed suicide or any of that, and they'll tell anybody from rumor sites to "respected news pages" like the Associated Press. Not everything is as cut and dry as it's supposed to be.
sources inside the police department only know the answer to the autopsy. Then they needed to keep quiet. Especially if the investigation is said to be private. | |
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Timmy84 said: jamgirl said: And me too Timmy! U forgot me! lol! Oh yeah, Jamgirl's great too! Katherine is running a tight hand and seems to be on a war path. I think she is removing all the bad actors that Mike had around him(Lester, Klein, et al, LIZ) and raising those kids Jackson...like the other grand kids @ Hayvenhurst.... And as for the estate...Katherine aint gon be just rolled over. Jermaine seems to bleev in them, but I think Katherine just wants to be in on shit, and I can't see y they are refusing. As for that judge appointing another lawyer...more money out of the estate Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: Kurt's was a gun shot wound, umm you can't really make that secret. all jouranlists have sources somewhere. just watch the nightly news or CNN or MSNBC almost everything about what's going in the government comes from unnamed sources. OK, what about Elvis? i know very little about Elvis' death. i do know that sources reported that JP2 had a DNR which would have gone contrary to Catholic Teachings on end of life issues. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: OK, what about Elvis? i know very little about Elvis' death. i do know that sources reported that JP2 had a DNR which would have gone contrary to Catholic Teachings on end of life issues. UPDATE: AEG is proposing a Michael Jackson memorabilia tour that would visit three cities. Y is AEG in anyways s a part of his estate? Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: sources inside the police department only know the answer to the autopsy. Then they needed to keep quiet. Especially if the investigation is said to be private. all investigations are private. LOL. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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jamgirl said: ehuffnsd said: i know very little about Elvis' death. i do know that sources reported that JP2 had a DNR which would have gone contrary to Catholic Teachings on end of life issues. UPDATE: AEG is proposing a Michael Jackson memorabilia tour that would visit three cities. Y is AEG in anyways s a part of his estate? because they invested some 35million dollars that they need to make back and he they have legal contracts that require it probably. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Timmy84 said: suga10 said: Why can't they just do a DNA test to shut these weirdos up Because you can't investigate crazy (and that includes Mark Lester's crazy ass). don't forget arnold klein. his crazy ass sending a lawyer doesn't seem so normal now does it. | |
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: OK, what about Elvis? i know very little about Elvis' death. i do know that sources reported that JP2 had a DNR which would have gone contrary to Catholic Teachings on end of life issues. LOL I see. But let's compared Presley's death with Jackson's. OK, Elvis reportedly went into his bathroom at around, what 12:00-something when he croaked over, Elvis laid there for about an hour or two (I think) before Ginger Alden woke up to find Elvis, in his underwear, on the floor face down. There were reports from that day that said Elvis was given CPR, but one of his bodyguards, who wasn't there, said that didn't happen because Elvis had dropped on his chin and that immediately cut off passage making CPR impossible. Doctors who arrived didn't dare yet declare Elvis dead, so they brought him to the hospital. At this point, FOUR hours had already passed when Elvis croaked. Elvis was already dead but doctors still tried to resuscitate him until his personal nurse screamed in tears to stop because Elvis was already looking pale and gone. News reports originally said that he died of cardiac arrhythmia according to autopsy reports though this was always disputed (and that could be a reason why they haven't yet announced the cause of Michael's death because Elvis' autopsy reports was a lie). During all of this, Elvis' people took out all the drugs Elvis was using and emptied them in hopes in not telling the world that Elvis was addicted to prescription pills. This made the investigation into Elvis' death confusing because Memphis police couldn't yet investigate any possible doctors who may have given him the drugs that killed him though it was reported Elvis had taken his pills hours before his death and a 1994 autopsy into his body said he died of a violent heart attack though it's believed he died of multiple drug toxicity. Police tried charging Dr. Nick (Elvis' doctor) for negligence in 1980 but they couldn't prove Nick was guilty because Nick was trying to wean Elvis off his prescription drug cocktail in his final years. Conrad Murray is the Dr. Nick of the new millennium in this case though UNLIKE Dr. Nick, Michael had just hired him days before his death. I wonder how long it took until they called 911 on Elvis, probably longer than MJ's. | |
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jamgirl said: Timmy84 said: Oh yeah, Jamgirl's great too! Katherine is running a tight hand and seems to be on a war path. I think she is removing all the bad actors that Mike had around him(Lester, Klein, et al, LIZ) and raising those kids Jackson...like the other grand kids @ Hayvenhurst.... And as for the estate...Katherine aint gon be just rolled over. Jermaine seems to bleev in them, but I think Katherine just wants to be in on shit, and I can't see y they are refusing. As for that judge appointing another lawyer...more money out of the estate Yeah Katherine's really pissed at everything. | |
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: Then they needed to keep quiet. Especially if the investigation is said to be private. all investigations are private. LOL. Then why leak information? You see what I mean? You dare get a source to talk about something private, does that make sense? I understand why they would tell people because we all want to know what happened, but the way they did it didn't seem logical to me, it seemed kinda dumb. [Edited 8/10/09 14:50pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: Serena said: I meant to ask about this again after reading a People mag article that was posted earlier. It mentioned that in '93, MJ had all 3 kids baptized in the Catholic Church and that Lester was the godfather. But unless MJ was Catholic, I'm not sure if that would be allowed...unless it was a Priest who bent the rules. According to this link http://www.catholiceducat...e0233.html, if you have more than one godparent, it should be one male, one female. the parents don't have to be Catholic to have their child baptized. it's would be strange but not impossible. Oh yeah, I guess that is right since my grandson was baptized in the Catholic church. | |
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cdcgold said: Timmy84 said: Because you can't investigate crazy (and that includes Mark Lester's crazy ass). don't forget arnold klein. his crazy ass sending a lawyer doesn't seem so normal now does it. And yet the kids will be fine behind the gates of hayvenhurst Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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cdcgold said: Timmy84 said: Because you can't investigate crazy (and that includes Mark Lester's crazy ass). don't forget arnold klein. his crazy ass sending a lawyer doesn't seem so normal now does it. Hell naw, lol. I knew he was a nut job from the beginning tho. | |
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Timmy84 said: jamgirl said: Katherine is running a tight hand and seems to be on a war path. I think she is removing all the bad actors that Mike had around him(Lester, Klein, et al, LIZ) and raising those kids Jackson...like the other grand kids @ Hayvenhurst.... And as for the estate...Katherine aint gon be just rolled over. Jermaine seems to bleev in them, but I think Katherine just wants to be in on shit, and I can't see y they are refusing. As for that judge appointing another lawyer...more money out of the estate Yeah Katherine's really pissed at everything. I think Mike pissed off his mama sometimes with all the shit he did...I think she's tryna straigten shit and get everything clean and good. Michael Jackson -- the KING of my heart | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: i know very little about Elvis' death. i do know that sources reported that JP2 had a DNR which would have gone contrary to Catholic Teachings on end of life issues. LOL I see. But let's compared Presley's death with Jackson's. OK, Elvis reportedly went into his bathroom at around, what 12:00-something when he croaked over, Elvis laid there for about an hour or two (I think) before Ginger Alden woke up to find Elvis, in his underwear, on the floor face down. There were reports from that day that said Elvis was given CPR, but one of his bodyguards, who wasn't there, said that didn't happen because Elvis had dropped on his chin and that immediately cut off passage making CPR impossible. Doctors who arrived didn't dare yet declare Elvis dead, so they brought him to the hospital. At this point, FOUR hours had already passed when Elvis croaked. Elvis was already dead but doctors still tried to resuscitate him until his personal nurse screamed in tears to stop because Elvis was already looking pale and gone. News reports originally said that he died of cardiac arrhythmia according to autopsy reports though this was always disputed (and that could be a reason why they haven't yet announced the cause of Michael's death because Elvis' autopsy reports was a lie). During all of this, Elvis' people took out all the drugs Elvis was using and emptied them in hopes in not telling the world that Elvis was addicted to prescription pills. This made the investigation into Elvis' death confusing because Memphis police couldn't yet investigate any possible doctors who may have given him the drugs that killed him though it was reported Elvis had taken his pills hours before his death and a 1994 autopsy into his body said he died of a violent heart attack though it's believed he died of multiple drug toxicity. Police tried charging Dr. Nick (Elvis' doctor) for negligence in 1980 but they couldn't prove Nick was guilty because Nick was trying to wean Elvis off his prescription drug cocktail in his final years. Conrad Murray is the Dr. Nick of the new millennium in this case though UNLIKE Dr. Nick, Michael had just hired him days before his death. I wonder how long it took until they called 911 on Elvis, probably longer than MJ's. Also Elvis was struggling with his weight too in his final days, which could have been another factor in why he died. | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: i know very little about Elvis' death. i do know that sources reported that JP2 had a DNR which would have gone contrary to Catholic Teachings on end of life issues. LOL I see. But let's compared Presley's death with Jackson's. OK, Elvis reportedly went into his bathroom at around, what 12:00-something when he croaked over, Elvis laid there for about an hour or two (I think) before Ginger Alden woke up to find Elvis, in his underwear, on the floor face down. There were reports from that day that said Elvis was given CPR, but one of his bodyguards, who wasn't there, said that didn't happen because Elvis had dropped on his chin and that immediately cut off passage making CPR impossible. Doctors who arrived didn't dare yet declare Elvis dead, so they brought him to the hospital. At this point, FOUR hours had already passed when Elvis croaked. Elvis was already dead but doctors still tried to resuscitate him until his personal nurse screamed in tears to stop because Elvis was already looking pale and gone. News reports originally said that he died of cardiac arrhythmia according to autopsy reports though this was always disputed (and that could be a reason why they haven't yet announced the cause of Michael's death because Elvis' autopsy reports was a lie). During all of this, Elvis' people took out all the drugs Elvis was using and emptied them in hopes in not telling the world that Elvis was addicted to prescription pills. This made the investigation into Elvis' death confusing because Memphis police couldn't yet investigate any possible doctors who may have given him the drugs that killed him though it was reported Elvis had taken his pills hours before his death and a 1994 autopsy into his body said he died of a violent heart attack though it's believed he died of multiple drug toxicity. Police tried charging Dr. Nick (Elvis' doctor) for negligence in 1980 but they couldn't prove Nick was guilty because Nick was trying to wean Elvis off his prescription drug cocktail in his final years. Conrad Murray is the Dr. Nick of the new millennium in this case though UNLIKE Dr. Nick, Michael had just hired him days before his death. I wonder how long it took until they called 911 on Elvis, probably longer than MJ's. it's comparing apples to oranges. Elvis didn't live or die in the 24 hour news cycle. Michael died with 24hour coverage and the internet. like i pointed out and you ignored when Solider of Christ Pope John Paul II died Vatican sources stated that he had a DNR which to some is contray to Catholic teachings on End of Life issues. what is more earth shattering the Spiritual Leader of over a billion people using something some of his followers would declare a sin or some pop star dying of a drug overdose administered by his own doctor? it doesn't matter who or what is going on if there is more than one person is involved there is going to be a leak. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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jamgirl said: Timmy84 said: Yeah Katherine's really pissed at everything. I think Mike pissed off his mama sometimes with all the shit he did...I think she's tryna straigten shit and get everything clean and good. I have to agree with that. We never knew about his relationship with his mother, it might've been as complicated as his relationship with his father, but I'm sure she meant well and was upset with Michael when he didn't listen to her. | |
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jamgirl said: Timmy84 said: Oh yeah, Jamgirl's great too! Katherine is running a tight hand and seems to be on a war path. I think she is removing all the bad actors that Mike had around him(Lester, Klein, et al, LIZ) and raising those kids Jackson...like the other grand kids @ Hayvenhurst.... And as for the estate...Katherine aint gon be just rolled over. Jermaine seems to bleev in them, but I think Katherine just wants to be in on shit, and I can't see y they are refusing. As for that judge appointing another lawyer...more money out of the estate Yup, except she's been more quiet about it compared to Joe. | |
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: LOL I see. But let's compared Presley's death with Jackson's. OK, Elvis reportedly went into his bathroom at around, what 12:00-something when he croaked over, Elvis laid there for about an hour or two (I think) before Ginger Alden woke up to find Elvis, in his underwear, on the floor face down. There were reports from that day that said Elvis was given CPR, but one of his bodyguards, who wasn't there, said that didn't happen because Elvis had dropped on his chin and that immediately cut off passage making CPR impossible. Doctors who arrived didn't dare yet declare Elvis dead, so they brought him to the hospital. At this point, FOUR hours had already passed when Elvis croaked. Elvis was already dead but doctors still tried to resuscitate him until his personal nurse screamed in tears to stop because Elvis was already looking pale and gone. News reports originally said that he died of cardiac arrhythmia according to autopsy reports though this was always disputed (and that could be a reason why they haven't yet announced the cause of Michael's death because Elvis' autopsy reports was a lie). During all of this, Elvis' people took out all the drugs Elvis was using and emptied them in hopes in not telling the world that Elvis was addicted to prescription pills. This made the investigation into Elvis' death confusing because Memphis police couldn't yet investigate any possible doctors who may have given him the drugs that killed him though it was reported Elvis had taken his pills hours before his death and a 1994 autopsy into his body said he died of a violent heart attack though it's believed he died of multiple drug toxicity. Police tried charging Dr. Nick (Elvis' doctor) for negligence in 1980 but they couldn't prove Nick was guilty because Nick was trying to wean Elvis off his prescription drug cocktail in his final years. Conrad Murray is the Dr. Nick of the new millennium in this case though UNLIKE Dr. Nick, Michael had just hired him days before his death. I wonder how long it took until they called 911 on Elvis, probably longer than MJ's. it's comparing apples to oranges. Elvis didn't live or die in the 24 hour news cycle. Michael died with 24hour coverage and the internet. like i pointed out and you ignored when Solider of Christ Pope John Paul II died Vatican sources stated that he had a DNR which to some is contray to Catholic teachings on End of Life issues. what is more earth shattering the Spiritual Leader of over a billion people using something some of his followers would declare a sin or some pop star dying of a drug overdose administered by his own doctor? it doesn't matter who or what is going on if there is more than one person is involved there is going to be a leak. Leaks have potential to destroy criminal cases. By the time you get all these leaks, it'll be hard to charge anybody especially if they were clueless to where the evidence was. Like I said it ain't cut and dry. And this 24/7 news coverage is actually sickening. If Elvis had died in 2009, Dr. Nick will be investigated for manslaughter too and leaks will be out about what Elvis was up to before he was to go on tour. And Vernon Presley would've been screaming "they murdered my boy!" [Edited 8/10/09 14:59pm] [Edited 8/10/09 14:59pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: it's comparing apples to oranges. Elvis didn't live or die in the 24 hour news cycle. Michael died with 24hour coverage and the internet. like i pointed out and you ignored when Solider of Christ Pope John Paul II died Vatican sources stated that he had a DNR which to some is contray to Catholic teachings on End of Life issues. what is more earth shattering the Spiritual Leader of over a billion people using something some of his followers would declare a sin or some pop star dying of a drug overdose administered by his own doctor? it doesn't matter who or what is going on if there is more than one person is involved there is going to be a leak. Leaks have potential to destroy criminal cases. By the time you get all these leaks, it'll be hard to charge anybody especially if they were clueless to where the evidence was. Like I said it ain't cut and dry. And this 24/7 news coverage is actually sickening. If Elvis had died in 2009, Dr. Nick will be investigated for manslaughter too and leaks will be out about what Elvis was up to before he was to go on tour. And Vernon Presley would've been screaming "they murdered my boy!" [Edited 8/10/09 14:59pm] [Edited 8/10/09 14:59pm] if she had been alive. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: Leaks have potential to destroy criminal cases. By the time you get all these leaks, it'll be hard to charge anybody especially if they were clueless to where the evidence was. Like I said it ain't cut and dry. And this 24/7 news coverage is actually sickening. If Elvis had died in 2009, Dr. Nick will be investigated for manslaughter too and leaks will be out about what Elvis was up to before he was to go on tour. And Vernon Presley would've been screaming "they murdered my boy!" [Edited 8/10/09 14:59pm] [Edited 8/10/09 14:59pm] if she had been alive. You mean "he" and yeah I meant if Elvis had become a NEW STAR in the '70s like MJ and then died at 50 this year, the same thing we're seeing with MJ would've no doubt happen to Elvis. There would be murder conspiracies, leaks and shit. He probably won't get any coverage about his children but he'll no doubt be called "a drug addict" as the LAPD has basically labeled MJ in their investigation. | |
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