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Reply #1650 posted 08/08/09 11:45am

motownlover

and time flies by... couple of thoughts

if you read all these stories he was suppose to die years ago, ?

during his last trial he suppose to be so out of it , during invincible period he seems to be so in to drugs that it was a miracle he survived, and for that hbo concert he never made... poor mike , he became more a celebrity then a celebrated star in the last decade or so.

and as for those songs on his harddrive, if you read interviews with his closest collaborators of the last years , he did pretty much near to nothing ... will.i.am confirmed a hand full of songs. akon had only 1 song and we know about it , and ne yo didnt hit the studio with him. how many tunes do you think there are post 2005?
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Reply #1651 posted 08/08/09 11:47am

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Reply #1652 posted 08/08/09 12:51pm

bboy87

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Rorywan said:

EmeraldSkies said:



I don't want any of this stuff,release the Live Performances,and Moonwalker on DVD!!
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Moonwalker IS on dvd!

Also, quite a nice experience recently. Was walking through Leicester Square in London when we noticed that Warners were showing a special screening of Moonwalker. Got tickets, went along the following morning and it was empty. No one else in the theatre, quite sad considering the huge memorial to the man made by fans outside HMV just around the corner. Not a great movie, but a nice memory.

overseas it is

Moonwalker has been out of print in North America since the early 90s
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Reply #1653 posted 08/08/09 1:12pm

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According to the World Music Awards, they are letting it be known they are in talks with Prince to do a tribute performance to Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson will be accepting an award on her brother’s behalf.

We have not heard anything on our end about Prince performing at the Award show, let alone doing a tribute to Michael Jackson. The award show is not taped until October but is taped in Monaco where Prince is slated to perform next week.

Is the World Music Awards that big? Surprised the MTV Awards, American Music Awards or Grammys have not been trying to get Prince to perform a tribute on their shows. MTV will most likely tap Chris Brown to do it.

We will let you know if we hear anything about this Purple Rumor.-Dr.FB
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Reply #1654 posted 08/08/09 1:21pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #1655 posted 08/08/09 2:32pm

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Reply #1656 posted 08/08/09 2:36pm

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bboy87 said:

Rorywan said:




Moonwalker IS on dvd!

Also, quite a nice experience recently. Was walking through Leicester Square in London when we noticed that Warners were showing a special screening of Moonwalker. Got tickets, went along the following morning and it was empty. No one else in the theatre, quite sad considering the huge memorial to the man made by fans outside HMV just around the corner. Not a great movie, but a nice memory.

overseas it is

Moonwalker has been out of print in North America since the early 90s

Then do what all sensible people do and get a multi-region DVD player so you can buy discs from all around the world. I have ones in several different regions.
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Reply #1657 posted 08/08/09 2:51pm

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Ellie said:

bboy87 said:


overseas it is

Moonwalker has been out of print in North America since the early 90s

Then do what all sensible people do and get a multi-region DVD player so you can buy discs from all around the world. I have ones in several different regions.

hmph!

I want them to do a better release with better quality and the original cover mad mad
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Reply #1658 posted 08/08/09 3:15pm

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Reply #1659 posted 08/08/09 3:15pm

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eek Mark Lester claims that he is Paris' father. Video at the source.
http://www.newsoftheworld...Paris.html
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Reply #1660 posted 08/08/09 3:37pm

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StillDirrty said:

eek Mark Lester claims that he is Paris' father. Video at the source.
http://www.newsoftheworld...Paris.html


Take a number, Mark. I predict that more so-called close friends of MJ will come forward to claim paternity by end of summer.
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Reply #1661 posted 08/08/09 3:38pm

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Copycat said:

StillDirrty said:

eek Mark Lester claims that he is Paris' father. Video at the source.
http://www.newsoftheworld...Paris.html


Take a number, Mark. I predict that more so-called close friends of MJ will come forward to claim paternity by end of summer.

WIth friends like this, he didn't even need enemies confused
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Reply #1662 posted 08/08/09 3:48pm

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bboy87 said:

Copycat said:



Take a number, Mark. I predict that more so-called close friends of MJ will come forward to claim paternity by end of summer.

WIth friends like this, he didn't even need enemies confused

You heard the saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
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Reply #1663 posted 08/08/09 3:59pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

bboy87 said:


WIth friends like this, he didn't even need enemies confused

You heard the saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

...and keep a muthafuckin' shank on you at all times...
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Reply #1664 posted 08/08/09 4:01pm

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Copycat said:

StillDirrty said:

eek Mark Lester claims that he is Paris' father. Video at the source.
http://www.newsoftheworld...Paris.html


Take a number, Mark. I predict that more so-called close friends of MJ will come forward to claim paternity by end of summer.


You ain't lying!
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Reply #1665 posted 08/08/09 4:10pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #1666 posted 08/08/09 4:16pm

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StillDirrty said:

eek Mark Lester claims that he is Paris' father. Video at the source.
http://www.newsoftheworld...Paris.html



‎"The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page
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Reply #1667 posted 08/08/09 4:24pm

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And the mockery continues confused
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Reply #1668 posted 08/08/09 4:31pm

Timmy84

Odd thing is he says "Michael was their kids' dad" and yet in the same breath said he may have put his seed to Debbie for Paris. rolleyes Makes no sense.
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Reply #1669 posted 08/08/09 4:33pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

And the mockery continues confused

Michael's in heaven shaking his head in disbelief
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Reply #1670 posted 08/08/09 4:36pm

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Timmy84 said:

Odd thing is he says "Michael was their kids' dad" and yet in the same breath said he may have put his seed to Debbie for Paris. rolleyes Makes no sense.



I’m sick of all of this, its disgusting , what a circus, mockery, and A hot mess.disbelief

All those were friends disbelief , they all need to shut the fuck up
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Reply #1671 posted 08/08/09 4:38pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Odd thing is he says "Michael was their kids' dad" and yet in the same breath said he may have put his seed to Debbie for Paris. rolleyes Makes no sense.



I’m sick of all of this, its disgusting , what a circus, mockery, and A hot mess.disbelief

All those were friends disbelief , they all need to shut the fuck up


Michael Jackson didn't have a lot of friends. Mark Lester a friend? Really?
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Reply #1672 posted 08/08/09 4:41pm

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Why the heck are people are coming out of the woodwork to claim they are the children's father.
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Reply #1673 posted 08/08/09 4:43pm

Timmy84

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Why the heck are people are coming out of the woodwork to claim they are the children's father.


Because they want money. Watch, I bet Corey Feldman will say he's the sperm donor for Michael, Jr. rolleyes
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Reply #1674 posted 08/08/09 4:47pm

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Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:




I’m sick of all of this, its disgusting , what a circus, mockery, and A hot mess.disbelief

All those were friends disbelief , they all need to shut the fuck up


Michael Jackson didn't have a lot of friends. Mark Lester a friend? Really?



Wasn't he a fucking close friend or what eek hmm I really don't know disbelief
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Reply #1675 posted 08/08/09 4:49pm

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wasn't lester the one that said the stories about mj not being the dad were "rubbish".

I'm sorry but this guys claim is even funnier than kleins.( well now that i think about nothing tops that ugly klein story) mark needs to get his eyes checked because his daughter doesn't look a thing like paris. His daughter is pale. paris wasn't even that pale when she was little.
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Reply #1676 posted 08/08/09 4:52pm

Timmy84

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:



Michael Jackson didn't have a lot of friends. Mark Lester a friend? Really?



Wasn't he a fucking close friend or what eek hmm I really don't know disbelief


The tabloids claimed he was.
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Reply #1677 posted 08/08/09 4:52pm

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WTF!
In an astonishing interview, Jackson's long term pal confessed to the News of the World that he secretly donated sperm to help the singer have children.
Until two weeks ago the child star of Oscar- winning classic Oliver! had not told ANYONE his story - not even his wife. Even now he has only shared it with his closest family members.
But today Mark, 51, is speaking out, convinced by the uncanny and growing likeness of 11-year-old Paris to his 15-year-old daughter Harriet (pictured above). He is certain he fathered them BOTH. And he has pledged to take a paternity test to PROVE it.
You can see Mark speaking on video below on this page.
"It's been a secret for so long," said Mark. "In 1996 Michael asked me if I would give him my sperm and I said yes. It was a gift to him, no money was paid, it was something I was honoured to do. He wanted children so badly."
And Mark, now an osteopath and acupuncture specialist, is only speaking out now because after Jackson's death he fears he will be manouevred out of the lives of his Godchildren - Paris, 12-year-old Prince and Blanket, seven.
Battle

"With Michael's mother Katherine now their legal guardian it's like the kids are being isolated," he said. "Up until Michael's memorial I was in touch with them on a weekly basis.
"I'm the Godparent to them and Michael was Godparent to all my four kids. Our two families spent a lot of time together, and had a lot fun together. Now I'm not able to have any communication with the children. My repeated phone calls aren't returned and emails go unanswered.

"This isn't what Michael would have wanted. I feel I have to come forward, as my only way of saying, 'Please don't shut me out!'"
Mark said he has spoken to lawyers to establish his rights to contact the children. He then revealed in detail how Jackson:

* HATCHED the sperm donor plan because he was scared to have normal SEX.
* JOKED about making donor babies using a TURKEY BASTER.
* BOOKED Mark into a special London clinic for the procedure, and
* SHARED countless holidays and intimate moments with the Lester family.

The plan for Mark to donate sperm to Jackson - whose hits include The Girl Is Mine-came in a series of incredibly candid phone calls. The pair had been the closest of friends after immediately bonding when Jackson first invited Mark to his room in London's Montcalm Hotel for a meeting in 1981.
Both had been thrust into the public spotlight at an early age - Mark in the title role of 1968 smash hit Oliver! and Jackson from his days as fresh-faced star of the Jackson Five.
But by January 1996 - with both men then aged 37 - Michael confessed his desperation to be a dad. At that stage Mark already had three young daughters of his own, Lucy, Harriet, and Olivia.
But Jackson was worried he would never father his own kids because his crippling shyness, and fear of the scary groupies who came on to him, meant he would not have sex with anyone.
"Michael found it very difficult to have relationships with women," said Mark. "He found the sexual act something he couldn't do. When he was about 16 or 17 he had a very famous female child star who basically jumped on him, naked in his hotel room, and tried to seduce him.
"He became very scared, and found it so disturbing he couldn't perform. Michael wasn't gay. But I'd say he was asexual.
"He was very conscious of his own body. He had vitiligo (a skin lightening condition). Believe me, it wasn't just his face that was white, he had it all over.
"Then in one of our regular phone conversations he said he realised having kids was a natural thing but that he just couldn't do it.
"I mentioned the fact there are alternative ways of going about it. We even joked that you can use a turkey baster, referring to artificial insemination. "I think he'd already tried using his own sperm but it hadn't worked for him, so I made an off-the-cuff comment saying: 'Try mine!'
"He'd already asked me how many times I'd had to try in producing my three girls. And I'd said that I didn't need to worry, because it seemed that I couldn't STOP having kids.
"So after I said 'Try mine' there was this silence on the phone for a moment. Then Michael said, 'Did you mean that?'
"Around a month or so later we had another chat about it and he said 'You know you were talking about the sperm donation, would you do it?' I ummed a bit but then said 'Yeah.' I half expected it not to happen.
"Michael was prone to say things that might not then happen. For instance, Richard Branson was launching plans for his new shuttle into space, and Michael called me saying he wanted me to come with him on a trip to the moon.




Aura

"He said he wanted to moonwalk on the moon, and wanted me there to be his buddy.
"I didn't expect it to happen, but I accepted. He had an incredible aura about him. Whatever he said, however short notice, you'd go along with it.
"Sperm donation was the same. It's something I wouldn't do for anyone else. But I wanted to do it for him. I didn't know if it would happen. But I was honoured to do it." Mark, who now lives in Cheltenham with second wife Lisa and the four children from his first marriage - Harriet, Lucy 18, Olivia, 14, and Felix, 10 - was told to expect a phone call.
That conversation was shortly after Jackson split from his first wife, Elvis Presley's daughter Lisa Marie, in January 1996.
And around a month later, in March, an employee at a confidential private clinic in London's Harley Street, rang Mark to set up an appointment.
Mark, who had given up acting, was working in London on a course at the British School of Acupuncture in Holborn, just a few stops away on the Underground.

Mark said: "The talk with Michael about had at first been light-hearted. It was all a bit of a giggle. There was nothing that serious until I got the call from the clinic.
"I arranged to to in one lunchtime and they said I mustn't have sex for three or four days before."
Over the next four weeks he was asked to give three samples of sperm.
Before his first donation there was a blood test. Then he was shown to a room and given a small plastic cup to keep his side of the arrangement.
"I went in a bit sheepishly and came out a like a teenage boy leaving a porn film," recalled Mark.
"I'm not sure if the clinic knew that it was anything to do with Michael Jackson. I don't think they knew where the sperm was going or who it was for. I just did it and walked away from it.
"I think they separate some of the fluid and freeze it. From then on it can be transported anywhere quite easily."
Jealousy

Incredibly Mark didn't tell his then-wife Jane what he'd done for his old pal.
He said: "She'd have knocked it on the head. She had an animosity to Michael, maybe because of our closeness. There was a jealousy thing going on so I didn't discuss it with ANYONE. I just did it, and put it out of my mind. I didn't even know if I was the only person Michael asked." In fact the donation was never mentioned again even between the two men, despite the closest of relationships that endured right up to Jackson's sudden death in Los Angeles six weeks ago.
Eight months after the donor procedures, in November 1996, Jackson announced he had married skin-clinic worker Debbie Rowe.
And three months after that the couple revealed the birth of their first child Prince.
Paris followed just over a year later, on April 3, 1998. And Rowe has admitted being artificially inseminated using anonymous sperm.
Mark told us: "Michael never mentioned who the artificial insemination would be with. I later assumed it would be his wife. We just never spoke about it again."
But as time went on Mark noticed a growing similarity between Paris and his own daughter Harriet, born around four years earlier in December 1993.
Their pictures clearly show both share the same facial bone structure that also made Mark a child star when he first hit the big screen as Dickens' cherubic street urchin.
Mark said: "Paris is very pale, with blue eyes. All my daughters, apart from my eldest, are fair with blue eyes. So many people have commented on how alike Harriet and Paris look. Our families often holidayed together and staff, especially nannies, watching the children play together would say how similar the two girls looked."
Jackson turned to Mark for support during the most difficult periods of his life, and the Lesters made countless trips, including stays at Neverland ranch, to be with him and his family.
Mark was with Jackson in a Miami hotel when he watched the Martin Bashir documentary which led to his 2005 trial for sex abuse.
And he joined the star in Bahrain after he was cleared of all charges.
He was also in Berlin's Adlon Hotel in 2002 when Jackson hit the headlines dangling Blanket from a fourth floor balcony.
And the pals had made plans for their families to spend this summer together at rented houses in England.
Relaxed

The trust between the two men was so great that during Jackson's visit to London in March, to launch his Docklands comeback concerts, Mark took the singer's children to London's West End shops and the circus.
That was the last time Mark saw Jackson. They travelled together in the car to the press conference at the O2 arena. And the whole Lester family spent the weekend with Jackson at the five-star Lanesborough Hotel.
Mark said: "Michael was really relaxed. He wasn't unfit and showed no sign of being unwell."
In his last few months Jackson was ringing Mark at home every Sunday. They last spoke five days before the singer's death.
"We were on the phone for about an hour," said Mark. "Michael wanted to speak to all the children, one by one. We were talking about the show. He wouldn't tell me what was in it. He wanted it to be a surprise."
The last time Mark spoke to Michael's children was at the memorial service. He was walking past the convoy of family cars when Paris spotted him and called him over.
Hugged

"The children were in the back of a car with Katherine (their grandmother)," said Mark. "I didn't want to intrude too much. But Paris wound down the window and we hugged.
"She said they had presents for us all back at the house, gifts they were planning to bring to England this summer. I was telling her please not to worry about it. I've been very worried about how the children would react to everything.
"But I spoke to them a day after Michael died and was amazed at how strong they were being. I was in bits on the phone and Paris said, 'Daddy is with the angels.'
"I do feel a definite bonding with Paris and I think there's a definite possibility that she's part of me.

"I want to have contact with her, Prince and Blanket regardless of whether any or all of them are mine. I think it's cruel that I've now been excluded from them."
Mark is also concerned about the kids being pushed into becoming Jehovah's Witnesses, the strict religion favoured by granny Katherine. His worry grew after spotting a photograph of Paris clutching a Witness book.
"Michael would have hated it," he said. "I respect their beliefs but in my opinion it's not going to be very healthy for the kids."

Speaking from his French holiday villa near Cannes he added: "I'd like regular contact with the children. It feels like they're being isolated. They need to be interacting with other kids, getting back a normal life, and being with friends.
"I've tried to get in touch, spoken to the Jackson household, left messages. But no one's called me back. And they know damn well that I've been a part of those kids' lives for years." Now Mark - whose videoed interview can be seen here - has spoken to lawyers about being able to see the children in future.
He added: "I'll push all the way for contact with her, Prince and Blanket.
"I feel it's important. I love those kids so much. We've had great times together. I don't know if I'm doing the right thing speaking out. But I'm not trying to make any claim on anything. Even if it's proven Paris is biologically mine I wouldn't see her as anything other than Michael's daughter. He raised her.
"Michael was a brilliant, brilliant dad. Those kids are Michael's children. He was their father. End of story. But I just want to make sure they're happy."

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Reply #1678 posted 08/08/09 4:54pm

Timmy84

Mark sounds like a creepy pervert for some reason.
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Reply #1679 posted 08/08/09 5:08pm

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I believe the source for Mark Lester's comments is News Of The World.

Grain of salt anyone?

Swa
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