sexyeyeliner said:

He actually DID give Little Richard his publishing back. He didn't sell them back, he gave them back as a gift

mozfonky said:

The phone call to Michael I know is true. The source is Michael Jackson. lol And, what Paul said to Michael is something that wouldn't even come out of Michael's mouth for Michael to even make up. It...was...nasty. And, I would LOVE to say it on here, because I'd LOVE to put Paul on blast. Even if he is a good guy and was just mad, what he said is pretty f'ed up and there is no excuse for it. Otherwise, I'd say he's just bitter and oh, well. But, it's not something Michael told fans and it's not something I think Michael wanted repeated. Otherwise, I think Michael would have told EVERYONE. lol The only thing I'll say about it was that it was BLATANTLY racist. I'm white, btw...if that even matters. lol

I'm probably saying too much anyway. It just angers me how Michael was treated and how there is sooooo much stuff that he had to deal with that people don't even know about. And, you know, stuff like the Paul McCartney thing...if Michael had said that publicly, the media and the public would have had a field day with it. They would have said he was lying. Just like people thought what he said about the police brutality was crazy. (Yeah, I'm sure Michael battered his arms to take pictures. He also had lupus, which doesn't help. But, yet, he was lying. Right. *rolls eyes*) But, if you only knew what the police did to his house, even. They did a LOT of illegal stuff when they raided NL and Michael didn't say a word about it publicly. And, if people only saw how FANS were treated by corrupt cops at the trial... There were even locals who were driving by the courthouse yelling out racist slurs ("Kill that n*gger!!") and the cops L-A-U-G-H-E-D. I said, "Aren't you going to do something about that?! That's disturbing the peace, right?!" Because they were threatening to jail fans for "disturbing the peace" when we weren't even DOING anything but supporting Michael. They realized I had seen them laugh and were like ...oh... and shrugged it off. I was so pissed. One time a car of two locals practically tried to run some fans and I over and then laid on their horn and screamed obscenities out the window. They caused a scene so much so that police came over. We were crossing the street in a cross walk (WELL before the car came up) and the car sped up. They were yelling at the police to ARREST US and I said "we have the right of way" and the police HAD to agree. There was SO much bs surrounding that trial, even on the outside. Pssshhht. You guys don't even KNOW.

bboy87 said:

Yeah,,,,

what a great gesture, only great artists do this,however Paul needs to sit somewhere if he is still mouning about the songs, he is/was a millionare and capable of bidding the songs but he didn't bother, he already knew about the songs going on sale and with all of that he didn't bother to buy them,only when Mj bought the songs he started to bark,,lol,I wonder what will be his reaction if other artist bought the songs other than MJ.

utopia7 said:

I can be a critic.....Particularly, a tough critic who pays close attention to small details. But this guy is good. He's very smooth with the moves too, in that YRMW performance. He really should tighten his spin though (hold his hands closer to his waist) to look even more precise.

J-Pop singer Crystal Kay pays tribute to Michael
[Edited 8/4/09 2:55am]

Ok some of these conspiracy theories are just going way too far.

ATV - THE BEATLES CATALOGUE

To clear up some misconceptions about Michael's purchase of The Beatles catalogue as part of ATV. At the time the catalogue was owned by Robert Holmes a Court and when it was he was looking to sell it he approached both Yoko Ono and Paul McCartney. Both refused to make a bid, Ono stating she felt it wasn't right that she own the songs, and McCartney stating the figure was too high.

Michael, who had been introduced to the idea of owning music publishing by McCartney then made a bid (along with others such as Virgin head Richard Branson). With Jackson winning the bid he took ownership of ATV in 1985.

10 years later in 1995 Michael merged ATV with Sony Music's publishing expanding his co-ownership to vast array of songs with 50% ownership with Sony.

For McCartney to repeatedly claim foul, is unjust based on the fact that when he had a chance to buy it he turned it down. Michael just made a calculated risk paying the asking price and within 10 years doubled it's worth.

Jackson at the time of his death still owned 50% of SONY/ATV - which many fail to report was worth much more than the Beatles catalogue alone.

Swa

EXACTLY, seeingvoices.

Someone mentioned how people want to know every detail and how we should focus on the music...I agree with that to an extent. But, for some people, he wasn't Michael Jackson, the entertainer, he was Michael. Michael, the person we got to know on a more personal, intimate level after years of seeing him and talking to him. There are fans Michael would call on the phone on a regular basis. He didn't have typical relationships with his hardcore fans like other celebs may have. He knew us. And, he gave us SO much back. He trusted us.

I guess the reason I am even posting any of this stuff (as if most of u even care) is because I feel the world owes it to Michael and his family to know the truth about him and his life. He went through so much crap that was so unfair, and I always thought--'It's ok, as long as he has his health, his life, and his kids.' But, now he doesn't even have that. And, I feel he went too soon. I feel he went because of careless neglect from (AGAIN) someone who only cared about the money they were making off him. I just feel like his name shouldn't be remembered with such evil behind it. He wasn't evil. He was an exceptional human being. And, the most important thing about him was what he did for this world and how many lives he REALLY changed and how many lives he SAVED...literally. The music is secondary to me.

Sure, I'm sad he isn't here to make music anymore. He was working on my dream album (jazz and classical), which won't ever be done now. That SUCKS. But, after the trial, I said Michael could go live in space for all I care and never make music again. I just want him to be happy and healthy and have his kids with him. That's because I saw and loved him as a person. That fool is family to me. He has been for a very long time and always, always will. A lot of fans don't even understand that. Some of my fan FRIENDS who didn't get to know him don't even feel that way. But, to some people, the loss was personal.

When Michael died, a piece of me died. I just feel like we lost such a big light in this world, and we need people like him to fight for the things that matter. He told Karen Faye (his make-up artist) that he wasn't doing the concerts for a come back or for money. He was doing it to inspire people to heal the world and to walk a righteous path because we only had three years to get it right. Karen said she didn't know what the three years meant, but I think he meant 2012. A lot of people and prophets think that will be the end of the world. Regardless, Michael was ready to help change things and to inspire people to do the same. Kenny Ortega said Michael told him pretty much the same thing.

I just went on a tangent that NO ONE will read or cares about. lol (It's way too late for me...apparently.) Sorry to waste "space" on the board. Talking about all this stuff just brings up so many memories and reminds me of how badly he suffered, but how GOOD he still was. Michael never lost faith in humanity, no matter how badly the world treated him. Someone once said, "Michael, on behalf of mankind, we are sorry." I couldn't have said it better myself.

And, no, I don't place him on a pedastool and he is not my idol. I don't believe in having idols. He was a person just like everyone else. But, he was a person with a beautiful soul who had good intentions.

As for the people who are suddenly obsessed with Michael and jumping on the bandwagon...ummm...yeah. Even the people suddenly buying all his albums... That is odd to me. Where were you before? But, oh, well. They are better than the haters who open their mouths without having a single FACT to back anything up.

Swa said:

Branca actually gave the idea of buying music publishing back in 1983. After the money from Thriller started rolling in, Michael was looking into investments. One he considered was buying the property that was CBS Record's Los Angeles headquarters but decided against it. He and Branca started looking into music publishing soon after, buying Sly Stone's music publishing in mid 1983 or early 1984

sexyeyeliner said:

He never called me. Did he ever call you or what?
[Edited 8/4/09 4:32am]

mozfonky said:

I think he was arrested on the day the album came out which is freakish coincindence to me considering how often he releases albums.

Timmy84 said:

OMG, thanks so much for that. This is the first time I am hearing this in such a good quality. I love this version even more than the released one.

Who would ever thought that MJ will die Just after 3 years from James Brown's passing

May they rest In peace.

"Staaarliiiight Staaaarlight Sun"

cdcgold said:

Michael did hang out with openly gay men?

MissChanel said:

maybe your theory is fabricated as well?

Joan Rivers:

Brooke Shields Exploited Michael Jackson's death



http://www.tmz.com/videos...6fbaf69d69

overall i was shocked that michael jackson was dead.whether it was martin bashir,michael's drug peddling doctor,uri gellar,or those that called him a paedophile,they all have a lot to answer for.i will miss MJ and i hope he gets left alone.i actually cried when i heard on sky news of the death.as a tribute i bought the 25th anniversary edition of thriller despite the 'Black eyed peas'remixes being rubbish.u will b missed MJ and ur legend will live on.

By John Lucas and given Kudos by maself.

For those who just can't stand the existence of Joe Jackson in the Jackson family.
What do you want to do? Take him to prison? Have him cut out of the family? Have him isolated on a deserted island away from all humanity?

Remember, as much as we are fans & a "family" for Mike, his REAL family comes first. He's not leaving his kids to any of us. He's leaving them to his family (& one of his Motown family in Diana Ross).

There are some who are so into Michael & so admiring of his qualities that they grow a blind spot to anything outside of him. As if he doesn't have faults or errs significantly.

Jackie Jackson said that in Michael's young days "Michael was bad when he was little." He said it with a smile in a joking way but it was honest.

We all see Michael as an angel but at one time Michael was rambunctious. We see the remnant of that part of his personality when he was on stage. The crotch grab anyone?

And here's an example or two for those talking about Michael as nothing but an angel. Sister Janet's nickname is Dunk, right? Who do you think gave her that nickname? Michael. And you know what it was short for? Donkeybutt. He was talking about Janet's big butt as a youngster & even as an adult. Janet's future worry about her weight & looks were probably influenced by this nickname Michael used to call his sister. He used to call LaToya 'Moonface' because of her full round face. Marlon was called 'Liver Lips' by the brothers becuase of his lips. I remember seeing this 1975 home movie of The Jacksons spending Christmas on this ranch with Michael, Randy, & Jermaine all working the camera, you hear Michael refer to Randy as "that big ugly ape".

It looks to me that Michael could dish it out but couldn't take it. He teased his family just as much as they teased him. Exception was when he was on the receiving end, he couldn't take it. It affected his esteem & being in the spotlight added fuel to the fire. And Joe may have teased him to give him a taste of his own medicine. You don't know exactly how that family interacted. We weren't there.

Michael was the only one bold enough to challenge his father when he was young. He reminds me of this little cousin I just visited with today & this weekend over my family reunion. He's got a sassmouth & will sometimes slap you in the face when he's feeling himself & getting rowdy. You see the good in him too but he's just got too much energy & starts really acting up.

Some of y'all need to get acquainted with the animated movie BeBe's Kids to understand this. Some kids don't behave & spanking is not necessarily abuse. If you can discipline your kids without spanking, then good. It shouldn't be overused anyway. But if you think all kids listen to reason, you just haven't dealt with any highly spirited "bad ass" kids.

Joe was right. He worked two jobs. If you don't think Katherine spanked those 9 'spirited' kids in a house no bigger than a 2 car garage, then you're fooling yourself. Now of course Joe's spankings were probably more fearsome as he had the role as disciplinarian. And I wouldn't deny that maybe he took it too far & went all James Evans from Good Times on them. One thing for sure those kids didn't backtalk or badmouth their parents like some kids nowadays do.

Joe's problem was that he didn't show affection. THAT was his problem. He looked like a monster because he didn't outwardly show the love he had for his kids like Katherine. He felt it was the man's role to be hard & stern. If Joe showed a little more affection there would not be an image of him being emotionally abusive. The stance on physical abuse depends on your cultural beliefs & generation of birth.

There are some who live by the Bible's saying "Spare the rod, spoil the child". Some accept this way of life & some don't. A spanking is not necessarily abuse but it's not mandatory for everyone. I got whooped with a switch & a belt too. I'm Black & from the South. I'm not emotionally traumatized or shy & withdrawn. It affects certain people differently. Some Blacks who received this type of discipline choose not to continue the tradition while others do.

In my grandma's day if you acted up, the whole neighborhood gave you spankings depending on who you offended & THEN you got spanked by your parents too. You act up at somebody's house, they would spank you send you home & then your parents will spank you AGAIN. I guarantee you there was a lot more respect for the parents then there is now because of that. Not for the spanking aspect but the community aspect of discipline.

Remember not to be so caught up in Michael to badmouth his family. That's in bad form. If you were truly his fans, you would understand his view on his family & accept it. I never liked when fans ran down family members like that. THOSE are the people who will back you up when nobody else will (a good one anyway). You don't have to agree with all of their decisions but respect Michael's stance on his family. That walling away some of his staff did is the same thing we do when we try to erect walls between Michael's kin & himself.

There are 100's clips of Mj acting a fool, having fun, playing, etc. Are there ANY clips of him acting like a grown ass MAN?

mozfonky said:

i believe it. remember, mc cartney called yoko some racial slur and then applied the old 'i was just joking' excuse. moreover, it was only a few months ago that i read at the bbc or daily mail website that mc cartney's comments about mj in recent interview had been edited because he came across as 'politically incorrect'.

i have never heard the media jump on mc cartney's case about owning the rights to other people's music. there's no reason why they should, but by the same token the white mainstream media always treated mj like the n****r in mc cartney's woodpile for 'stealing' the atv catalog. that's why there has been this overly involved, breathless 'reporting' about how mj was going to lose it any day now - for the past 7 years at least. branca has said the catalog is not for sale and as long as mj's assets outstrip his debts, even by as little as $50million, there is no reason to sell it. one could live nicely off the interest generated by $50million. (right now, the conservative estimate is that the estate is worth $200million, net of debts.) the administrators are only beholden to katherine and the children, not the rest of the family, and i think the court will uphold mj's will. they will likely apply all revenue toward paying off the loans aginst the catalog and the children will have a nice inheritance coming their way when they come of age.

i remember back in '94, newsweek was interviewing mc cartney in one of those q&a type stories, and the reporter says how it was too bad that the child abuse charges didn't pan out as mj may have had to sell the catalog back to mc cartney because it was a 'travesty' that he owned them in the first place. well, mc cartney didn't own the catalog when mj bought it so why would he have to sell it to him, and secondly why would you be wishing that a man be falsely convicted to uphold your racist position that the catalog should not have been his? liberal media my ass.
[Edited 8/4/09 9:45am]

Timmy84 said:

It was that second indictment and set of charges that everything came together for anyone paying any attention! It was fucking instant to me and I couldn't believe the huge OBVIOUS difference in dates and number of charges compared to the original set of allegations and yet the press ignored it completely.

jamgirl said:

That was an interesting read, thanks.

I know one thing, when I was little, I ALWAYS behaved in school because I didn't want to get paddled in front of the class!

Don't know if this has been posted already.....

How odd, I was listening to Rocking Chair by Cyndi Lauper just the second you posted that.

Ellie said:

not only that, but the story itself changed. all of a sudden it went from mj acting alone to all of these people conspiring to hold them at the ranch so mj could abuse this boy. again, liberal media my ass.

kibbles said:

LOL. Well Paul is never getting his catalog now. Sony will never sell it to him. & I don't see Branca giving it to him either or whoever is in charge of MJ's part.

Graycap23 said:

Are there any of you?!!

kibbles said:

I'll never forget that minute when they were changed and read out. I laughed out loud and thought that everything was going to be OK. Then when all the news articles and press reports came out about it, it was like watching the world trying to argue that the Earth was flat

graecophilos said:

klein, who happens to be gay, was also mj's dermatologist of at least 20 years. it stands to reason that they became friends. i don't know that this picture constitutes 'hanging out' with gay men, as it much as it constitutes hanging out with a dear friend at xmas who happens to be gay. like mj, i have gay friends, and your comment comes across as a judgmental homophobic slur.