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whatsgoingon said: mozfonky said: interesting interview, but I think we can all agree that that is no way to live, having your "friends" turn in a tape of your private conversation for the world to hear. Imagine that, Michael had to live with that kind of paranoia daily, that someone, somehow is going to use and exploit him, not good. True. He was even paranoid about having relationships because he felt he would be betrayed, even though it was obvious he wanted to be in a normal relationship like everyone else. I didn't like listening to the tapes either, because it's like an invasion of privacy. However, I think the tapes give a good insight into his personality and it helps one to understand the type of person he really was and why he behaved in a certain way. today is the first I listened and it did feel like a invasion of privacy... but it will open the closed minds of many. |
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whatsgoingon said: Swa said: Actually if that were the case BBoy it would have been a massive re-write. He is actually quite compelling in his argument that MJ was set up both times and his investigation reveals a lot - also he seems to take target with Diane Diamond for her unwillingness to see things objectively. I doubt the guy could have / would have been able to rewrite the book in the short period between Michael's death and it being published. As for Magic and The Madness reissue I've got that too and been skimming it. The final chapter is actually quite touching with it hitting home to Taborelli that Michael was human first, and superstar second. Like I said, it's not for all fans but it is interesting none the less. Swa [Edited 8/2/09 0:02am] He doesn't sugar coat MJ personality, like some fans would like, but neither does he completely destroy MJ reputation.. He doesn't call him a Pedo he just questions the closeness to children that are not related to him and how it looks in society, lets face it sharing your bed with unrelated children out of habit will raise eyebrows no matter how innocent. He basically states that MJ and Lisa Marie had a healthy sex life during their brief marriage, something that most other authors and the public like to dismiss. As I said before it is a book that is flawed, however Randy T tries to reconcile Michael's unique upbringing with the reality of his life. I agree. Alot of fans are okay it, it's just the "fly on the wall" thing that grates on people's nerves Honestly, I want a book about his life from a respectful author, maybe someone who actually knew Michael and is classy enough to handle it with care Not someone who knew Michael back in the 70s a couple of times but then goes on tv shows under the moniker "Jackson's close friend and biographer) (ala Randy T), or some con man who lied saying he infiltrated Michael's camp and has no credibility (ala Halperin) I wonder if Steve Ivory would do one..... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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whatsgoingon said: I actually don't mind the magic and the madness. I doubt it is 100% the truth, the mere fact Randy . T covers whole conversations in the book prove the book has its flaws, unless he was in the room whilst those conversations were taking place with a tape recorder I can't see how he could put some of those conversations in his book. However, it is probably the most objective book you will get about MJ.
He doesn't sugar coat MJ personality, like some fans would like, but neither does he completely destroy MJ reputation.. He doesn't call him a Pedo he just questions the closeness to children that are not related to him and how it looks in society, lets face it sharing your bed with unrelated children out of habit will raise eyebrows no matter how innocent. He basically states that MJ and Lisa Marie had a healthy sex life during their brief marriage, something that most other authors and the public like to dismiss. As I said before it is a book that is flawed, however Randy T tries to reconcile Michael's unique upbringing with the reality of his life. I once had the opportunity to ask Randy T about that very issue, and he replied as a writer he would elaborate and reconstruct conversations that had been reported by either party in interviews, court records etc etc. But it didn't fly with me. Like you say, its a book that is fair handed and the latest issue is quite honest with his own dismay at Michael and letting the reader know he had regrets on how he had covered him in the past. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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In terms of BIOs...
I would rather read about Michael's art, his work, inspiration and creativity rather than how much he spent on a shopping spree or why he wore a mask. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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utopia7 said: http://michaeljackson.shop.bravadousa.com/Product.aspx?cp=21637_21645&pc=BGCTMJ10#
Got my yellow tee today ! great quality   made me sad tooI bought like 7 different t-shirts - think they will be a while before they arrive here in Australia. One thing I am surprised about is that there is no Tour Booklet / Program. You know that had to be working on one right? Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Swa said: In terms of BIOs...
I would rather read about Michael's art, his work, inspiration and creativity rather than how much he spent on a shopping spree or why he wore a mask. Swa Unfortunately, book publishers didn't want to invest in those kind of books, maybe now they will When my friends were shopping "For The Record", they were turned down and told that positive Michael Jackson books don't sell, so they published it independently through AuthorsOnline and the book did extremely well "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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WaterInYourBath said: Moonwalkbjrain said: wow looking @ these pics i'm becoming more and more convinced that this omer kid is his son
I'm not.  This Omer wears MJ's make-up and clothes but this doesn't make him his son. | |
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utopia7 said: whatsgoingon said: True. He was even paranoid about having relationships because he felt he would be betrayed, even though it was obvious he wanted to be in a normal relationship like everyone else. I didn't like listening to the tapes either, because it's like an invasion of privacy. However, I think the tapes give a good insight into his personality and it helps one to understand the type of person he really was and why he behaved in a certain way. today is the first I listened and it did feel like a invasion of privacy... but it will open the closed minds of many. Yep. The reason why the media is ignoring them is because the tapes don't fit into the 24/7 wacky image they have built up about him. Neither does it fit into him being gay or being sexually obsesse with little boys. [Edited 8/2/09 5:12am] | |
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whatsgoingon said: Yep. The reason why the media is ignoring them is because the tapes don't fit into the 24/7 wacky image they have built up about him. Neither does it fit into him being gay or being sexually obsesse with little boys. [Edited 8/2/09 5:12am] I remember a crappy documentary that played the part of the tapes where he's talking to Glenda's kids and they didn't even mention that 90% of the rest of the convos were with their mother. [Edited 8/2/09 5:34am] | |
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The King is dead! Long live the cash-in!
Caspar Llewellyn Smith on the latest Michael Jackson biographies and tributes. Caspar Llewellyn Smith The Observer, Sunday 2 August 2009 While she waited for Michael Jackson's memorial service to begin at the Staples Centre in Los Angeles on 7 July, the Sky News anchor asked her guests, including Lou Ferrigno, the Incredible Hulk actor, billed as the singer's friend and personal trainer, whether now that he was dead, we could forget about the child abuse allegations and the rest of the weirdness that surrounded him and instead simply remember the superstar. In the warmth of that summer morning and in the heat of the "whoopla" attending the event (to borrow the term of another of Jackson's confidants, Elizabeth Taylor), it felt a forgivable question, but the weirdness was always inseparable from the transformative process that saw this troubled black child from Gary, Indiana become a universal figure of indeterminate race and sexual yearnings: the self-styled King of Pop. It's a point lost, however, on those publishers and authors who rushed into print before Jackson's emaciated and pock-ridden corpse was laid to rest. The most feeble effort is Michael Jackson: Legend, Hero, Icon (HarperCollins £12.99, pp192) written by James Aldis, a self-confessed fan whose chief credential is that he "was among the many fans to have bought tickets for the London O2 arena performances". It skims over the 2005 child abuse court case in a paragraph, although novel insight is offered into the source of Jackson's changing image: "Perhaps as a direct consequence of the stress, Michael's appearance seemed further removed from the happy, dark-skinned child he had once been." The jacket lifts quotes mourning the singer from three of his fellow stars – Mariah Carey, Madonna and, bathetically, Fergie, from the Black Eyed Peas. Its rival as a coffee-table companion, Michael Jackson: Life of a Legend (Headline £17.99, pp192) by Michael Heatley has better pictures, and the story is told at greater length in Michael Jackson: King of Pop (John Blake £7.99, pp288) by Emily Herbert (previous credits: Gok Wan: The Biography and Kerry: Story of a Survivor). But best of this sorry bunch is former Melody Maker writer Chris Roberts's more astute tribute, Michael Jackson: the King of Pop (Carlton £14.99, pp144). Neither Jackson's protestations nor the findings of the jury could initially persuade Ian Halperin that the singer was innocent of the charges brought against him in court. His Unmasked: the Final Years of Michael Jackson (Simon & Schuster £10, pp288) was being written to coincide with Jackson's O2 dates and it contains the results of his own investigative work. Refreshingly, he is candid about having set out to "nail" the singer, but the conclusion he draws, convincingly, is that Jackson was never a child molester but, rather, the victim of two extortion attempts. Equally intriguing are claims that Lisa Marie Presley's marriage to Jackson in 1994 was part of a plot to bring him into the fold of Scientology. But the idea that Jackson could never love her (or show off his mottled penis to a child) because he was gay, with a hidden string of (adult) male lovers, feels less convincing. But the Michael Jackson myth has always served as locus for lurid speculation and if that appeals, this is the place to come – at least until tomorrow's tabloids appear with their new bombshell revelations. Otherwise, anyone wanting a reliably solid account of Michael Jackson's life should continue to turn to J Randy Taraborrelli's 1991 biography, Michael Jackson: The Magic and the Madness (Pan £8.99, pp704), updated in 2004 but yet to be further revised. "Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars?" Jackson told Taraborrelli in 1995, in a quote that prefaces the book. "Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, 'I'm an alien ...', people would say, 'Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up! You can't believe a thing that comes out of his mouth ...'" The one thing that none of these books bother with much is, inevitably, his music, and so it is that for all these several hundred thousand words written about Jackson's life and death, the most fun is to be found in Smash Hits: Michael Jackson 52-page Special Tribute Issue edited by Barry McIlheney (Bauer £2.99, p52). Lazarus-like, rather than like the ghouls rising from the dead in the "Thriller" video, the magazine has returned for a one-off issue, complete with a guide on how to moonwalk and a selection of old reviews of his singles. "I like Michael Jackson," wrote guest reviewer Zodiac Mindwarp of "The Way You Make Me Feel" in 1987. "I don't think he's 'wacko' at all." guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2009 "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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bboy87 said: whatsgoingon said: I actually don't mind the magic and the madness. I doubt it is 100% the truth, the mere fact Randy . T covers whole conversations in the book prove the book has its flaws, unless he was in the room whilst those conversations were taking place with a tape recorder I can't see how he could put some of those conversations in his book. However, it is probably the most objective book you will get about MJ.
He doesn't sugar coat MJ personality, like some fans would like, but neither does he completely destroy MJ reputation.. He doesn't call him a Pedo he just questions the closeness to children that are not related to him and how it looks in society, lets face it sharing your bed with unrelated children out of habit will raise eyebrows no matter how innocent. He basically states that MJ and Lisa Marie had a healthy sex life during their brief marriage, something that most other authors and the public like to dismiss. As I said before it is a book that is flawed, however Randy T tries to reconcile Michael's unique upbringing with the reality of his life. I agree. Alot of fans are okay it, it's just the "fly on the wall" thing that grates on people's nerves Honestly, I want a book about his life from a respectful author, maybe someone who actually knew Michael and is classy enough to handle it with care Not someone who knew Michael back in the 70s a couple of times but then goes on tv shows under the moniker "Jackson's close friend and biographer) (ala Randy T), or some con man who lied saying he infiltrated Michael's camp and has no credibility (ala Halperin) I wonder if Steve Ivory would do one..... But most hard-core fans want some peter-pan, pure book. So even if the author knew mj well and he or she wrote one or two things contrary to the fantasy that fans have of MJ they will still have a problem. I remember Lisa Marie saying some years back before the Bashir documentary saying that MJ drank, some fans didn't want to believe that and called her a liar. The fact is LMP knew MJ better than most people, including the hardest core fans. Infact I would like her to write a book, it will probably be alittle bias and bitter, but she will probably depict MJ in acompletely different light to anything that has been written about him, from before and after his death. [Edited 8/2/09 6:19am] | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said:[quote] mimi07 said: more leaked pics
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 Prince sho enjoyed his cake like in the posted birthday clips. What's that on Omer's nose ?  [Edited 8/2/09 8:08am] | |
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whatsgoingon said: bboy87 said: I agree. Alot of fans are okay it, it's just the "fly on the wall" thing that grates on people's nerves Honestly, I want a book about his life from a respectful author, maybe someone who actually knew Michael and is classy enough to handle it with care Not someone who knew Michael back in the 70s a couple of times but then goes on tv shows under the moniker "Jackson's close friend and biographer) (ala Randy T), or some con man who lied saying he infiltrated Michael's camp and has no credibility (ala Halperin) I wonder if Steve Ivory would do one..... But most hard-core fans want some peter-pan, pure book. So even if the author knew mj well and he or she wrote one or two things contrary to the fantasy that fans have of MJ they will still have a problem. I remember Lisa Marie saying some years back before the Bashir documentary saying that MJ drank, some fans didn't want to believe that and called her a liar. The fact is LMP knew MJ better than most people, including the hardest core fans. Infact I would like her to write a book, it will probably be alittle bias and bitter, but she will probably depict MJ in acompletely different light to anything that has been written about him, from before and after his death. [Edited 8/2/09 6:19am] Michael's real fans already know he was not all pure and innocent. Simply that he was a beautiful person with faults like the rest of us. | |
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If anyone's interested, this is a great little community for MJ fans, where you can speak your mind about anything at all:
http://community.livejour...mone_ontd/ | |
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There's also my little MJ board: http://z3.invisionfree.co...index.php?
We set that up after the Dotmusic forums closed in 2003. We could never find another forum of like-minded MJ fans so just stayed togather. | |
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Warhol's Michael Jackson Silkscreen Heads To Auction August 2, 2009 A multicoloured portrait of the late Michael Jackson by Andy Warhol is to be auctioned off with a starting price of $800,000 US. "This Andy Warhol portrait brings together the uncontested King of Pop Art with the uncontested King of Pop. The portrait was painted at the height of their careers and is a celebration of two of the great talents in global cultural history," said Janet Lehr of the Vered Gallery, agents for the seller, in a statement released on Friday. The iconic portrait, created in 1984 to celebrate the massive popularity of Jackson's Thriller album, surfaced at London's British Music Experience over the weekend. It's on show for only three days. The exhibition space is inside the O2 arena where Jackson had been due to perform a series of concerts this summer into September. The 50-year-old performer suffered a cardiac arrest at his rented home in Los Angeles on June 25. An autopsy report is expected out soon. Warhol's Technicolor silkscreens of iconic celebrities such as Liz Taylor and modern objects continue to reap high bids. The artist died in 1988. The silkscreen, which measures 76.2 by 66 centimetres, is expected to fetch much more than its starting price of $800,000 U.S. The highest price ever paid for a Warhol portrait was $28 million for Lemon Marilyn in 2007. The auction of the Jackson portrait in New York City will be held by Christie's auctioneers on Aug.18. http://www.cbc.ca/arts/ar...trait.html | |
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The Source mag pays homage to MJ in its lastest issue. | |
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This is so sweet. Mike and lil Paris.
 "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: This is so sweet. Mike and lil Paris.
where did you get this picture. post a link please | |
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The Daily Mirror newspaper uploaded the image onto its site. The link is here. | |
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Copycat said:
Warhol's Michael Jackson Silkscreen Heads To Auction August 2, 2009 A multicoloured portrait of the late Michael Jackson by Andy Warhol is to be auctioned off with a starting price of $800,000 US. "This Andy Warhol portrait brings together the uncontested King of Pop Art with the uncontested King of Pop. The portrait was painted at the height of their careers and is a celebration of two of the great talents in global cultural history," said Janet Lehr of the Vered Gallery, agents for the seller, in a statement released on Friday. The iconic portrait, created in 1984 to celebrate the massive popularity of Jackson's Thriller album, surfaced at London's British Music Experience over the weekend. It's on show for only three days. The exhibition space is inside the O2 arena where Jackson had been due to perform a series of concerts this summer into September. The 50-year-old performer suffered a cardiac arrest at his rented home in Los Angeles on June 25. An autopsy report is expected out soon. Warhol's Technicolor silkscreens of iconic celebrities such as Liz Taylor and modern objects continue to reap high bids. The artist died in 1988. The silkscreen, which measures 76.2 by 66 centimetres, is expected to fetch much more than its starting price of $800,000 U.S. The highest price ever paid for a Warhol portrait was $28 million for Lemon Marilyn in 2007. The auction of the Jackson portrait in New York City will be held by Christie's auctioneers on Aug.18. http://www.cbc.ca/arts/ar...trait.html They should have put it in the MOMA imo. | |
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cdcgold said: dag said: This is so sweet. Mike and lil Paris.
where did you get this picture. post a link please I got it from the KOP board. There are tons of pix. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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whatsgoingon said: bboy87 said: I agree. Alot of fans are okay it, it's just the "fly on the wall" thing that grates on people's nerves Honestly, I want a book about his life from a respectful author, maybe someone who actually knew Michael and is classy enough to handle it with care Not someone who knew Michael back in the 70s a couple of times but then goes on tv shows under the moniker "Jackson's close friend and biographer) (ala Randy T), or some con man who lied saying he infiltrated Michael's camp and has no credibility (ala Halperin) I wonder if Steve Ivory would do one..... But most hard-core fans want some peter-pan, pure book. So even if the author knew mj well and he or she wrote one or two things contrary to the fantasy that fans have of MJ they will still have a problem. I remember Lisa Marie saying some years back before the Bashir documentary saying that MJ drank, some fans didn't want to believe that and called her a liar. The fact is LMP knew MJ better than most people, including the hardest core fans. Infact I would like her to write a book, it will probably be alittle bias and bitter, but she will probably depict MJ in acompletely different light to anything that has been written about him, from before and after his death. [Edited 8/2/09 6:19am] I have to disagree. Now I definitely know some fans want Michael to be the Peter Pan image, but the majority see him the way Wildstyle said. Fans have accepted that he casually drank, had a painkiller addiction, cursed at times.... he was human. Very generous and talented, but human with flaws "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: whatsgoingon said: But most hard-core fans want some peter-pan, pure book. So even if the author knew mj well and he or she wrote one or two things contrary to the fantasy that fans have of MJ they will still have a problem. I remember Lisa Marie saying some years back before the Bashir documentary saying that MJ drank, some fans didn't want to believe that and called her a liar. The fact is LMP knew MJ better than most people, including the hardest core fans. Infact I would like her to write a book, it will probably be alittle bias and bitter, but she will probably depict MJ in acompletely different light to anything that has been written about him, from before and after his death. [Edited 8/2/09 6:19am] I have to disagree. Now I definitely know some fans want Michael to be the Peter Pan image, but the majority see him the way Wildstyle said. Fans have accepted that he casually drank, had a painkiller addiction, cursed at times.... he was human. Very generous and talented, but human with flaws I'm like Wildstyle too. I think it actually humanizes MJ to know he suffered the same shit some of us deal with. | |
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suga10 said: Randall should eat less pasta. [Edited 8/2/09 11:19am] | |
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btw, why do you keep posting all those famly pics?
Some of you are the biggest screamers when some say sth "nasty" about MJ, yet you keep posting pics of his kids, whose faces MJ always hid. Their private shpere is over now that he died? | |
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OldTeenager said:  I always thought this picture was funny. It looks like Mr,and Mrs. Regan are fighting over Michael. Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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bboy87 said: 
Oh wow! (right click,and save) I love this!  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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