utopia7 said:

Problem is, he wasn't functioning while he was knocked out. What if there had been an emergency with the kids?

Timmy84 said:

Exactly !....none of us know what was happening on a day to day basis it's just upsetting

Serena said:

You are right however and I hate to set up this speculative scenario,But perhaps if he knew he was about to go under he would have the children being watched by someone and/or it would be their bedtime.who knows

he loved them and they loved him



[Edited 7/30/09 21:07pm]

utopia7 said:

everyone who really knew mj says he was a good father. ac doesn't know shit from shinola about the situation, but he's got air time to fill so he and toobin can pop off about their contempt for mj. besides, his ratings are in the toilet, no one is watching him anyway.

that nurse who's been making the rounds says he wasn't an addict. the chef as well did not notice any drug induced stupors. tom mesereau has stated that he was around mj for months, and he was lucid and articulate. some have said the prelim results of his organs did not indicate drug damage; don't know how true this is. i tend to believe that if he was that much of an addict, something would have shown up and they would have declared his death an overdose, and murray would have been home free by now.

http://www.juliesjournal....ermometer/

On January 27, 1984, Michael Jackson was burned while filming a Pepsi commercial at the Los Angeles Shrine Auditorium. He was rushed to Cedars Sinai Medical Center, then transferred to Brotman Medical Center in Culver City, CA with second-degree burns on the back of his head.

My husband’s father was working at Brotman Medical Center as a burn technician at the time, and had Michael Jackson in his care. At the time of his release from the hospital Michael autographed one of his balloons that he had received and gave it to my husband’s father. He also gave him the thermometer that they had used on him in the hospital. My husband still has this thermometer and we thought that it’s time to show the rest of the world what a neat collector item this is for any Michael Jackson fan.

Michael Jackson was always donating to charities, and one of his favorite charities was Brotman Medical Center that took care of him when he was injured. We are seriously thinking of putting Michael Jackson’s hospital thermometer up for auction on eBay and donating some of the proceeds to the Brotman Medical Center.






Okay I think it would be cool if they sold it,and gave the money to the Brotman Medical Center,but why would someone buy this? I like to collect things to,but this is kinda crossing the line of crazy.

I don't know about Chef Kai Chase ...what she is saying is not apparent in what he looked like in the end. imo I don't see her point of going on Larry King if not for visibility( as her mentioning her publicist) she sees oxygen tanks shes not allowed upstairs what could she really know.


If he looked good to her something is wrong ...real wrong the prior chef who worked for Michael is another one wanted to be seen.

Timmy84 said:

No doubt. He now claims to have seen a shooter on the Grassy Knoll at the time of the Kennedy assassination.

EmeraldSkies said:

and who decided to keep it

utopia7 said:

Thank you!

suga10 said:

thanks for psychic stuff suga10

don't know if it's real or not but it's amusing.

Cuddles said:

I understand that notion, but I don't think any US agency would assist in Michael faking his death. (The president alone would stop that from happening in order to prevent controversy for himself.) If MJ is indeed alive somewhere, and someone were to blow his cover in the future, the government would most likely be just as beguiled as civilians.

To be real though, I know many people hope/suspect Michael is still living in a hideout somewhere. Even I pondered about about it for awhile after 6/25. But, I can't believe it. It's just not plausible, especially since if it were true, he would have been revealed/discovered by now by some "insider." So, again, he is really gone....

utopia7 said:

Well she did say that when she left him he was fine but when she came back in June she wondered, "Has he been eating?" So maybe he did slim down and she tried to get his health back up like he had asked her.

utopia7 said:

^^
her husband's father.

Michael Jackson Maintains Control Of Euro Charts


Michael Jackson's "King of Pop" (Epic/Sony Music Entertainment) continues its chart-topping run on Billboard's European Top 100 Albums survey, with Pitbull's "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)" (Ultra/B1) moving into a second week atop European Hot 100 Singles.

The 2008 retrospective "King of Pop" is still at No. 1 in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, and Holland, but dips 1-2 in the Belgian region of Wallony and 2-5 in Hungary.

This is the set's fourth week atop the European Top 100 Albums chart. Jackson still has the top three titles on the pan-European list, with Epic's other compilations "The Collection" and "The Essential" at Nos. 2 and 3 again.

"The Collection" climbs 2-1 in Wallony and holds at No. 1 in neighboring Flanders, Spain and Denmark. It's also up 6-4 in Germany and Switzerland, 5-4 in Norway and 17-8 in Italy, while a five-CD set of Jackson's classic studio albums is new at No. 14 in the United Kingdom on sales of 10,000.

"The Essential" is favorite among his releases in the United Kingdom and Ireland, with 57,000 new U.K. sales for a fourth week on top, and also climbs 13-3 in Sweden and 6-5 in Italy. But the U.K.'s bestselling album of the week is contained in the separate compilations chart, on which "Now That's What I Call Music! 73" (Virgin/EMI/UMTV) sells 274,000, compared to an opening 299,000 for "Now 72" in April.

Lady GaGa's "The Fame" (Interscope/Universal), which had one week at the Top 100 Albums peak in April, is back up 8-4, after a 5-3 rise in the United Kingdom. Total sales there to last weekend are 641,000. Black Eyed Peas' "The E.N.D. (The Energy Never Dies)" (Interscope/Universal) spends a fourth straight week at No. 5 overall, moving 4-2 in France, 5-4 in Wallony and 13-8 in the United Kingdom. The single "I Gotta Feeling" holds at No. 3 on the European Hot 100 after climbing 6-1 in Wallony and 10-2 in Flanders. It's No. 1 for a second week in Ireland.

Jackson also has the next three titles on the European Top 100 Albums top ten. "Thriller" is down 3-6, despite holding at No. 2 in Italy; "Number Ones" is up 9-7, moving 5-2 in Germany; and Motown/Universal's "The Motown Years," including hits as part of the Jackson 5, dips 7-8, resting at No. 1 in Norway and No. 3 in Wallony, and improving 6-3 in Flanders and 10-7 in Spain.

http://www.billboard.com/...8810.story

utopia7 said:

Well, I'm not talking about something minor that a caretaker could help with, but something that would need parental permission like emergency medical care.

It was just something that I'd thought about. I know there were times in my younger days when I was too drunk to have been able to handle an emergency with a family member. But, by the time you're 50, you should be a little wiser, less selfish and realize you always have to be in control...for yourself and others.

StillDirrty said:

Probably, but if she was re-hired in March then her goal would've been reached within 3 months getting him back to looking more filled out as we've seen in various pictures posted.Age aside if he wasn't with his kids his body and spirit
appeared lethargic,yet I do feel he was ready to do a big show who knows if he was truly going to be up to it.

WaterInYourBath said:

Unexpected tragedies bring out a range of emotion, especially disbelief. It trying to find reasoning people will leap to any conclusion to try and understand it. We've seen it time and time again with music and film stars who have died before their time. The tough thing is you can't prove a negative. Generally with conspiracy theories there is always one catch that people ignore - it order for it to have happened a WHOLE lot of people would have to co-operate and keep things silent. With every man and his dog cashing in on what they know, think, suspect about Michael right now this would be near impossible to do. After all the cash to "spill the beans" would be too good to refuse.

Sadly, there is no fake death, just the death of a man who was loved, and is missed. It's a sad unexpected death, but to continue with all this speculation and nonsense is a discredit to Michael and his legacy, and ultimately doesn't let him rest in peace.

Swa

StillDirrty said:

She also wondered if he hadn't eaten.

kibbles said:

good points ...we just have to wait and see what the reports tell us

Serena said:

You are right Serena, unfortunately Michael wasn't thinking clearly. He was a great father by every account, and I am sure in his mind he probably thought his children was cared for by their nanny and staff. Also (and by no way excusing the actions) I am sure this wasn't a nightly thing either.

In all the bios I've been reading over time one thing keeps coming up is that Michael had trouble sleeping and would be awake for 36 - 48 hours straight. It's sad that this insomnia may have been his undoing.

Swa

EmeraldSkies said:

Imagine the show and tell to family and friends over the years

utopia7 said:

I think she was let go in April/May and then rehired in June. When she was let go is the time that Murray came on the scene.

utopia7 said:

LA Times says the autopsy results have been delayed INDEFINITELY
http://www.latimes.com/ne...9072.story















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utopia7 said:

Yes I can.

This week in Montreal.

dreamfactory313 said:

We all know that.

Taipei Taiwan on July 19th.

kibbles said:

I think the reason for the delay of the autopsy is because the cause of death is not clear cut. I do however believe Michael did have some kind of drug independency. But I also believe there were other contributory factors to his death like underlining health issues such as Lupus.