seeingvoices12 said:

Murray's problem is not that he gave Michael the drug but he failed to get MJ up in time to get the IV shot off of him. When he arrived, he checked on MJ and panicked that MJ had overdosed on it because he was supposed to have waken MJ up. His actions afterwards are very questionable but other than negligence and manslaughter, I don't see where his actions would render murder of any degree. Plus he WAS paying him and he had reportedly asked for it. It's kinda like what happened with John Belushi. There was speculation then that Cathy Smith had intended to kill John but she clearly was just enabling John with the drugs plus it was hinted John had been using speedball for a long time when the final autopsy results came. I have a hunch that the autopsy will reveal long term drug abuse on MJ's part and like Cathy, Conrad's dumb ass will get a slap on the wrist and his license will be indefinitely revoked.
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seeingvoices12 said:

Murray's problem is not that he gave Michael the drug but he failed to get MJ up in time to get the IV shot off of him. When he arrived, he checked on MJ and panicked that MJ had overdosed on it because he was supposed to have waken MJ up. His actions afterwards are very questionable but other than negligence and manslaughter, I don't see where his actions would render murder of any degree. Plus he WAS paying him and he had reportedly asked for it. It's kinda like what happened with John Belushi. There was speculation then that Cathy Smith had intended to kill John but she clearly was just enabling John with the drugs plus it was hinted John had been using speedball for a long time when the final autopsy results came. I have a hunch that the autopsy will reveal long term drug abuse on MJ's part and like Cathy, Conrad's dumb ass will get a slap on the wrist and his license will be indefinitely revoked.
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Timmy84 said:

Even before Michael checked into the European rehab in the early 90's, most of the pictures he took showed him to have extremely red eyes. Now in my neck of the woods, or the hood, that's an indication of one getting stoned on something. Take a look at the pics of that time and you will see. The dead give away years later, was him showing up to court in his pj's. I remember saying ... "Oh shit, Mikes fucked up".

Timmy84 said:

Now I understand Timmy...

But A professional Doctor she shouldn’t have obeyed Michael jackson's requests or any other patient, you know how people who take drugs act when they want drugs, and I not putting all the blame on the doctor , Mj takes part of the blame , all I say is that he didn't act professionally, he should learn a lesson..

dseann said:

I didn't think about it before. I just reckon MJ broke his back (his words to Jesse Jackson on their phone conversation) and he was sick but it definitely look like he was sadly high. Looking at that photo of him like that was sad and sickening especially after it was mocked. MJ's look after the not guilty verdicts, he looked like a ghost.

Timmy84 said:

yeah, But can we blame him, I can't, The pressure he faced during the trial was definitely overwhelming, unbearable, living your life and knowing its on the line, and your freedom can be taken away from you at any minute, that was a horrible tremendous pressure

seeingvoices12 said:

No one's blaming MJ but I'm not trying to think he was double crossed either. I just think the doctor just did dummy moves. MJ's death happened because he failed to do what he was paid for. There's a difference between failure and any "murder attempt". Again MJ trusted someone he DIDN'T know, someone he thought would HELP him...or at least what he thought was HELP.

Plus about the trial, I do believe MJ trusted people too much and when they did what they did and accused him of shit he didn't do, it just made people think he didn't learn his lessons from 1993.
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Timmy84 said:

yeah, But can we blame him, I can't, The pressure he faced during the trial was definitely overwhelming, unbearable, living your life and knowing its on the line, and your freedom can be taken away from you at any minute, that was a horrible tremendous pressure

seeingvoices12 said:

I don't think it had anything to do with the trial. Michael was addicted to prescription drugs. He just overdid it the night before he was due in court. Addicts take drugs when they're happy, sad, in pain, pain free etc. it doesn't matter. They take drugs because they're addicted and their brains demand a fix.

dseann said:

As far As I know, Mj started to take pain killers after the 1993 child molestation allegations ,right? Which means that thing was despressing enough for him to start to take pain killers and since then he became addicted, I don't think Mj was talking this shit before 1993, i could be wrong tho, But the trial played a huge role .
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dseann said:

As far As I know, Mj started to take pain killers after the 1993 child molestation allegations ,right? Which means that thing was despressing enough for him to start to take pain killers and since then he became addicted, I don't think Mj was talking this shit before 1993, i could be wrong tho, But the trial played a huge role .
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seeingvoices12 said:

Mikes been taking painkillers since his multiple cosmetic surgeries starting in the 80's. He went to rehab in the early 90's just after he was first accused of child molestation.

Sad that this is now coming out. The Dr. should have manned up in the first place and admitted the truth. Would have saved weeks of speculation. Did he really think the Toxicology tests wouldn't have traced it back to him? Sad sad sad..

Timmy84 said:

i heard that mj was found dead by him at 9 a.m. but Murry didn't call 911 until 12:00 because he had someone go to his storage shed and move out various boxes during that time....

so no he diddnt premeditate it but he pulled the trigger and subsequently tried to cover his butt

dseann said:

But Sony can make a killing off him, and who else

dseann said:

and if you listen to the 911 call- no one is panicked-

let me be on payroll and he dies- I woulda lost it- they were calm "he has a private doctor....he's not responding"- like they do that every day of something- it's all suspect .....

dseann said:

Yeah for real, but if anything he'll be charged with manslaughter, that was clear from sources about why they're searching his homes. Far from a murderer but he definitely was negligent and he deserves some punishment. He shouldn't have a license anymore. It's like Donda West's doctor.

I saw on the news that he has to stay in his home 24 hours a day with bodyguards because he fears for his life. There have apparently been constant death threats made and he is scared to death.

dreamfactory313 said:

Not surprised.

Timmy84 said:

me either. I had a feeling that someone was going to try to kill him when he was alive. It makes sense though because you have ppl still mad about him buying the beatles catalog right from Paul and then you have others that felt that Michael got off at his trial. This is a random question but does anyone remember why Michael was getting death threats during the Victory Tour?

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I'm not sure about the Victory Tour but I was referring to Dr. Conrad Murray.

I saw on the news that he has to stay in his home 24 hours a day with bodyguards because he fears for his life. There have apparently been constant death threats made and he is scared to death.

dseann said:

Yeah and the lawyer's trying to cover up right now. I guess the LAPD is too until the toxicology reports are finally revealed. An LAPD source said he believed propofol stopped MJ's heart.

Timmy84 said:

Propofol ain't no joke. I use it everyday at my job. I've seen it K.O. fifty pound dogs in less than 3 seconds. Sounds like this guy may have over-dosed Michael on it because on the drug's handout, overdosage or rapid administration may cause cardiopulmanary depression and respiratory arrest. The drug's primary purpose is for the induction and maintanence of anethesia and intubation should be utilized to maintain an open airway in case of respiratory arrest. His death was totally preventable, as most deaths due to drugs usually are. This doctor is going to get fucked up if he goes to prison and severely terrorized if he walks free....looks like somebody will be changing his name and going unlisted pretty soon.

estelle81 said:

Co-sign and I didn't know you used it. Damn.

seeingvoices12 said:

No one's blaming MJ but I'm not trying to think he was double crossed either. I just think the doctor just did dummy moves. MJ's death happened because he failed to do what he was paid for. There's a difference between failure and any "murder attempt". Again MJ trusted someone he DIDN'T know, someone he thought would HELP him...or at least what he thought was HELP.

Plus about the trial, I do believe MJ trusted people too much and when they did what they did and accused him of shit he didn't do, it just made people think he didn't learn his lessons from 1993.
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