Yeah, I certainly think they had a healthy competition, but the best are supposed to clash at the top; thats just the rules of the game. They never took any shots at each other, and I'm sure their respective works influenced each other, so I didn't start this post to beat a dead horse , I just think its cool that even though Mike was working to get his life back in order, he never lost sight of the fact that he was the King , and wanted everyone else to realize it again.
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funkyandy said: blackguitaristz said: Also, while I'm writing about Michael and Prince in the same topic, let me speak on folks being upset about P not speaking openly in the media about Michael's passing....For me, it's two fold. On one hand, yeah, I personally would have liked to have seen P made a statement in regard to Michael's passing. Like Madonna did and others. BUT, I also know that P doesn't do things like that. I was somewhat surprised at first that P didn't attend James Brown funeral. BUT then I thought that I don't know what's in P's heart so I can't pass judgement on the man. Everybody grieves differently. So yeah, I understand some people wanting or wondering why P hasn't said anything. To a degree, I think it's a natural thought. Many of the general public link Michael and Prince, largely because they were so popular in the 80's and I think some P fans would like to see P show some type of emotion regarding Michael. But for me, as I stated, everybody grieves differently. And P certainly is NOT obligated to make a public statement regarding Michael. Personally, I think Prince was saddened by Michael's death. They both experienced their greatest success in their careers really one year apart from each other. When Thriller truly blew up in 83 (although released in 82) and P's Purple Rain album and movie in 84 and tour in 84 & 85. And then the Victory tour in 84 as well. They were both at the height of their fame around and at the same time. P did show some compassion towards MJ during his trial and he spoke kind and supporting words regarding Michael. Which was nice to see. I believe, especially as they both grew older, that there was a true kinship there. If nothing else, as I stated earlier, they BOTH respected and admired each other's talents and what each other had achieved. I do think, in time, that P will show his respects to Michael in P's music. Either in a composed song or on stage dedicating a number to him. I don't believe that Prince is cold hearted or indifferent to Michael's passing. Not at all. Again, I believe the news hurt Prince like it hurt millions of others.
[Edited 7/25/09 1:47am] Always love reading your posts... Yeah I guess all we can do is assume...and Prince must grieve VERY differently to people's passing considering he didn't attend either of his parent's funerals?...yes, very different indeed. Prince may show compassion in his music...but apart from that I've never seen anything except bravado. No sesnitivity, always jokes at others expense, never gives anything away, unless he wants to. We know he's been through loss but, I personally can't imagine Prince crying at anything...can you? [Edited 7/25/09 9:15am] Yes, I can imagine Prince crying and being sad. Prince is human. | |
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murph said: kenlacam said: and one more for the road.....
Actually, the convo going on is bit more insightful than the normal "Prince is better...No!!!!...MJ is better!!!!" Maybe you need to slow down with the theatrics.... maybe you need to slow down with the critism of my comment. I'm entitled to free speech just like you are | |
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kenlacam said: murph said: Actually, the convo going on is bit more insightful than the normal "Prince is better...No!!!!...MJ is better!!!!" Maybe you need to slow down with the theatrics.... maybe you need to slow down with the critism of my comment. I'm entitled to free speech just like you are A nana image?...Really? How old r u?....lol | |
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old enough. Ok, how about this? This is more fitting to what I mean to say:
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funkyandy said: blackguitaristz said: Also, while I'm writing about Michael and Prince in the same topic, let me speak on folks being upset about P not speaking openly in the media about Michael's passing....For me, it's two fold. On one hand, yeah, I personally would have liked to have seen P made a statement in regard to Michael's passing. Like Madonna did and others. BUT, I also know that P doesn't do things like that. I was somewhat surprised at first that P didn't attend James Brown funeral. BUT then I thought that I don't know what's in P's heart so I can't pass judgement on the man. Everybody grieves differently. So yeah, I understand some people wanting or wondering why P hasn't said anything. To a degree, I think it's a natural thought. Many of the general public link Michael and Prince, largely because they were so popular in the 80's and I think some P fans would like to see P show some type of emotion regarding Michael. But for me, as I stated, everybody grieves differently. And P certainly is NOT obligated to make a public statement regarding Michael. Personally, I think Prince was saddened by Michael's death. They both experienced their greatest success in their careers really one year apart from each other. When Thriller truly blew up in 83 (although released in 82) and P's Purple Rain album and movie in 84 and tour in 84 & 85. And then the Victory tour in 84 as well. They were both at the height of their fame around and at the same time. P did show some compassion towards MJ during his trial and he spoke kind and supporting words regarding Michael. Which was nice to see. I believe, especially as they both grew older, that there was a true kinship there. If nothing else, as I stated earlier, they BOTH respected and admired each other's talents and what each other had achieved. I do think, in time, that P will show his respects to Michael in P's music. Either in a composed song or on stage dedicating a number to him. I don't believe that Prince is cold hearted or indifferent to Michael's passing. Not at all. Again, I believe the news hurt Prince like it hurt millions of others.
[Edited 7/25/09 1:47am] Always love reading your posts... Yeah I guess all we can do is assume...and Prince must grieve VERY differently to people's passing considering he didn't attend either of his parent's funerals?...yes, very different indeed. Prince may show compassion in his music...but apart from that I've never seen anything except bravado. No sesnitivity, always jokes at others expense, never gives anything away, unless he wants to. We know he's been through loss but, I personally can't imagine Prince crying at anything...can you? [Edited 7/25/09 9:15am] Thanx for the compliment. And yes, I can. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: Also, while I'm writing about Michael and Prince in the same topic, let me speak on folks being upset about P not speaking openly in the media about Michael's passing....For me, it's two fold. On one hand, yeah, I personally would have liked to have seen P made a statement in regard to Michael's passing. Like Madonna did and others. BUT, I also know that P doesn't do things like that. I was somewhat surprised at first that P didn't attend James Brown funeral. BUT then I thought that I don't know what's in P's heart so I can't pass judgement on the man. Everybody grieves differently. So yeah, I understand some people wanting or wondering why P hasn't said anything. To a degree, I think it's a natural thought. Many of the general public link Michael and Prince, largely because they were so popular in the 80's and I think some P fans would like to see P show some type of emotion regarding Michael. But for me, as I stated, everybody grieves differently. And P certainly is NOT obligated to make a public statement regarding Michael. Personally, I think Prince was saddened by Michael's death. They both experienced their greatest success in their careers really one year apart from each other. When Thriller truly blew up in 83 (although released in 82) and P's Purple Rain album and movie in 84 and tour in 84 & 85. And then the Victory tour in 84 as well. They were both at the height of their fame around and at the same time. P did show some compassion towards MJ during his trial and he spoke kind and supporting words regarding Michael. Which was nice to see. I believe, especially as they both grew older, that there was a true kinship there. If nothing else, as I stated earlier, they BOTH respected and admired each other's talents and what each other had achieved. I do think, in time, that P will show his respects to Michael in P's music. Either in a composed song or on stage dedicating a number to him. I don't believe that Prince is cold hearted or indifferent to Michael's passing. Not at all. Again, I believe the news hurt Prince like it hurt millions of others.
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I could careless if prince said anything about MJ's passing.
However , The grieving differently excuse need to stop, To even hint that Prince didn't go to his parents funerals because he grieves differently is a total JOKE, Ridiculous, Those were his parents for god sake, I find this very weird, People do this sometimes when they lose close friends but parents. he doesn’t have any excuse on this one :roll MICHAEL JACKSON
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kenlacam said: old enough. Ok, how about this? This is more fitting to what I mean to say:
Yeah...I figured...14-years-old, right? LOL.... | |
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seeingvoices12 said: I could careless if prince said anything about MJ's passing.
However , The grieving differently excuse need to stop, To even hint that Prince didn't go to his parents funerals because he grieves differently is a total JOKE, Ridiculous, Those were his parents for god sake, I find this very weird, People do this sometimes when they lose close friends but parents. he doesn’t have any excuse on this one :roll Nah...I think it has more to do with Prince's religion....Amongst the more hardcore JW's, they don't believe in going to funerals...Some JW's however do the funeral thing.... | |
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murph said: seeingvoices12 said: I could careless if prince said anything about MJ's passing.
However , The grieving differently excuse need to stop, To even hint that Prince didn't go to his parents funerals because he grieves differently is a total JOKE, Ridiculous, Those were his parents for god sake, I find this very weird, People do this sometimes when they lose close friends but parents. he doesn’t have any excuse on this one :roll Nah...I think it has more to do with Prince's religion....Amongst the more hardcore JW's, they don't believe in going to funerals...Some JW's however do the funeral thing.... Even his parents? I really don't understand This. MICHAEL JACKSON
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murph said: blackguitaristz said: Yeah, the lil' old box that P brought with him in 84 (before PR was released)when he visited with Michael and he was coming on to LaToya. The "gift" consisted of a little box with leaves, twigs and a cassete tape. On the tape was a bunch of chants and shit which P recorded backwards. Michael's "people" told Michael to get rid of the tape because it was obvious that P was demonic and that P was trying to put a "hex" on him. As far as the "competion" or "rivalry" went, it was legit up to a degree. In the sense that both cats were competitive in general. They both knew that they were BAD and they both took much pride in that. They both wanted to be the best and to be seen by others as such. There is nothing wrong with that. Other than they were both the same age, both were/are men and both were/are black and in 84, they were both the two biggest stars in the music biz,... other than that, they couldn't have been more different from each other. Sure, the media played up on the Michael vs. Prince thing in 84 and 85. It was on every cover of every issue of Right On! and Black Beat for 2 years. Then and now, I always saw them as two entirely seperate entities. Personally, from the things I've heard, there was no bad blood between them. They respected each other's talent and they both knew that what each other had achieved, being black men in the music industry, was no small feat and was not easy in the least. [Edited 7/25/09 0:00am] The current MJ Rolling Stone cover story is indeed illuminating, especially how competitive Mike was with Prince til' the very in....At one point in the piece, Kenny Ortega, MJ's director for what was to be the This Is It shows, asked Mike why he had trouble sleeping during the run up to the gigs... Clip from article: "For the most part, nights seemed to be the biggest problem for Jackson--he had complained of insomnia. But it was also the time when he felt a higher power was channeling creativity to him. "I didn't get a whole lot of sleep last night," he would tell Ortega."I was up working on music. That's when the information is coming, and when it's coming you gotta work." "Michael," Ortega joked with him, "why can't you make a pact with your higher power so that you could put these ideas on the shelf until after July 13?" "No," Jackson responded. Then he might give them to Prince." That says it all...lol.... If anything It proves that MJ has a huge respect for prince...end of MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: murph said: Nah...I think it has more to do with Prince's religion....Amongst the more hardcore JW's, they don't believe in going to funerals...Some JW's however do the funeral thing.... Even his parents? I really don't understand This. Yep...even parents....the harder sect of JW's mourn their dead in other ways.... | |
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seeingvoices12 said: murph said: The current MJ Rolling Stone cover story is indeed illuminating, especially how competitive Mike was with Prince til' the very in....At one point in the piece, Kenny Ortega, MJ's director for what was to be the This Is It shows, asked Mike why he had trouble sleeping during the run up to the gigs... Clip from article: "For the most part, nights seemed to be the biggest problem for Jackson--he had complained of insomnia. But it was also the time when he felt a higher power was channeling creativity to him. "I didn't get a whole lot of sleep last night," he would tell Ortega."I was up working on music. That's when the information is coming, and when it's coming you gotta work." "Michael," Ortega joked with him, "why can't you make a pact with your higher power so that you could put these ideas on the shelf until after July 13?" "No," Jackson responded. Then he might give them to Prince." That says it all...lol.... If anything It proves that MJ has a huge respect for prince...end of Indeed.... | |
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seeingvoices12 said: I could careless if prince said anything about MJ's passing.
However , The grieving differently excuse need to stop, To even hint that Prince didn't go to his parents funerals because he grieves differently is a total JOKE, Ridiculous, Those were his parents for god sake, I find this very weird, People do this sometimes when they lose close friends but parents. he doesn’t have any excuse on this one :roll First of all seeinginvoices, I did NOT mention anything about P not going to his parents funerals so I don't know who's posts you're responding to. Second, no one on here, and certainly not me, are making "excuses" for anything that P has done. But it is indeed a stone fact that every person is different. So therefore, everybody grieves differently. That's a FACT. Some people could think that people that don't attend funerals of their close friends is, to use your word, "weird", or unacceptable. But still that doesn't grant anyone a greenlight to pass judgement on why someone chooses not to go. It's not about if you, me, everyone agrees or disagrees. It's about whatever peace a person has, as an individual and how they choose to deal with that situation. It's not our place to judge anyone for we know not what that person is feeling. [Edited 7/26/09 4:26am] SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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murph said: The current MJ Rolling Stone cover story is indeed illuminating, especially how competitive Mike was with Prince til' the very in....At one point in the piece, Kenny Ortega, MJ's director for what was to be the This Is It shows, asked Mike why he had trouble sleeping during the run up to the gigs... Clip from article: "For the most part, nights seemed to be the biggest problem for Jackson--he had complained of insomnia. But it was also the time when he felt a higher power was channeling creativity to him. "I didn't get a whole lot of sleep last night," he would tell Ortega."I was up working on music. That's when the information is coming, and when it's coming you gotta work." "Michael," Ortega joked with him, "why can't you make a pact with your higher power so that you could put these ideas on the shelf until after July 13?" "No," Jackson responded. Then he might give them to Prince." That says it all...lol.... Respect is definately a high form of a compliment. [Edited 7/26/09 4:28am] SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Timmy84 said: Ain't that horse already passed rigor mortis?
Its in 89 cans of jellymeat by now and its hoofs are at the glue factory. Suppose we should have a glut of remember MJ threads as its one month now. So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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murph said: seeingvoices12 said: Even his parents? I really don't understand This. Yep...even parents....the harder sect of JW's mourn their dead in other ways.... That's funny. How weird would it have looked if Katherine and Rebbie Jackson weren't at MJ's funeral and memorial? And they are life-long JWs, not late converters like Prince. | |
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Ellie said: murph said: Yep...even parents....the harder sect of JW's mourn their dead in other ways.... That's funny. How weird would it have looked if Katherine and Rebbie Jackson weren't at MJ's funeral and memorial? And they are life-long JWs, not late converters like Prince. Can you imagine the outcry and the name calling of katherine and rebbie, floons would be thinking Debbie might not be that bad of a mother. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. | |
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Ellie said: murph said: Yep...even parents....the harder sect of JW's mourn their dead in other ways.... That's funny. How weird would it have looked if Katherine and Rebbie Jackson weren't at MJ's funeral and memorial? And they are life-long JWs, not late converters like Prince. Not weird at all....JW's all have different ways of practicing...Some celebrate birthdays, but others who are more hardcore don't...Same with funerals....It has little to do with how long someone has been practicing...It has more to do with the level of fundamentalism.... | |
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ernestsewell said: blackguitaristz said: Also, while I'm writing about Michael and Prince in the same topic, let me speak on folks being upset about P not speaking openly in the media about Michael's passing....For me, it's two fold. On one hand, yeah, I personally would have liked to have seen P made a statement in regard to Michael's passing. Like Madonna did and others. BUT, I also know that P doesn't do things like that. I was somewhat surprised at first that P didn't attend James Brown funeral. BUT then I thought that I don't know what's in P's heart so I can't pass judgement on the man. Everybody grieves differently. So yeah, I understand some people wanting or wondering why P hasn't said anything. To a degree, I think it's a natural thought. Many of the general public link Michael and Prince, largely because they were so popular in the 80's and I think some P fans would like to see P show some type of emotion regarding Michael. But for me, as I stated, everybody grieves differently. And P certainly is NOT obligated to make a public statement regarding Michael. Personally, I think Prince was saddened by Michael's death. They both experienced their greatest success in their careers really one year apart from each other. When Thriller truly blew up in 83 (although released in 82) and P's Purple Rain album and movie in 84 and tour in 84 & 85. And then the Victory tour in 84 as well. They were both at the height of their fame around and at the same time. P did show some compassion towards MJ during his trial and he spoke kind and supporting words regarding Michael. Which was nice to see. I believe, especially as they both grew older, that there was a true kinship there. If nothing else, as I stated earlier, they BOTH respected and admired each other's talents and what each other had achieved. I do think, in time, that P will show his respects to Michael in P's music. Either in a composed song or on stage dedicating a number to him. I don't believe that Prince is cold hearted or indifferent to Michael's passing. Not at all. Again, I believe the news hurt Prince like it hurt millions of others.
That is spot on. Very well said. Thanx. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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from DMSR
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bboy87 said: from DMSR
Prince is into table tennis eh... this is one thing in life I think I could kick his ass at. | |
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coolcat said: bboy87 said: from DMSR
Prince is into table tennis eh... this is one thing in life I think I could kick his ass at. Huh?...lol | |
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bboy87 said: from DMSR ive read this story many times and this one is different. Anyway, to me, there is no competition at all. Prince cannot be reached. I began as an MJ fan and still like those team created "solo" albums like Off The Wall but, after seeing the talent of Prince, i could not believe there was someone this talented on earth! I don't think there is anything Prince didn't top MJ on other than music videos (not all) but, i don't truly understand where the rivalry comes from other than fame because Prince don't even resemble MJ on stage or in the studio that much so, yeah, it must be fame rivalry. MJ was just a revolutionary popstar back in the day and just a popstar post 80s but with the humanitarian side (another thing Prince didn't top actually but, that aint music or entertainment) but, Prince was everything at all times. The all round entertainer. I went from hardcore MJ fandom, going to rallys, gatherings organised by MJNO's Paul and others...all that kinda stuff so, for me to say what i am now, says a lot. This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream | |
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WetDream said: bboy87 said: from DMSR
ive read this story many times and this one is different. Anyway, to me, there is no competition at all. Prince cannot be reached. I began as an MJ fan and still like those team created "solo" albums like Off The Wall but, after seeing the talent of Prince, i could not believe there was someone this talented on earth! I don't think there is anything Prince didn't top MJ on other than music videos (not all) but, i don't truly understand where the rivalry comes from other than fame because Prince don't even resemble MJ on stage or in the studio that much so, yeah, it must be fame rivalry. MJ was just a revolutionary popstar back in the day and just a popstar post 80s but with the humanitarian side (another thing Prince didn't top actually but, that aint music or entertainment) but, Prince was everything at all times. The all round entertainer. I went from hardcore MJ fandom, going to rallys, gatherings organised by MJNO's Paul and others...all that kinda stuff so, for me to say what i am now, says a lot. @ you goting to MJNO rallies "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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blackguitaristz said: It's about whatever peace a person has, as an individual and how they choose to deal with that situation. It's not our place to judge anyone for we know not what that person is feeling.
Exactly. I hope that shuts some people up. I'm tired of hearing how Prince's actions don't meet their standards. | |
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