Another thread bites the "off-thread" dust

People can we get back to the subject????

Timmy84 said:

look at em assess all clinched up n shit.

IAintTheOne said:

stereotyping is stereotyping whether you are joking or not.

Harlepolis said:

That's hard to do on ORG world.

ehuffnsd said:

Man calm down. seriously

IAintTheOne said:

not upset. just calling it as i see it.

ehuffnsd said:

If you knew me you'd know truthfully. But that's neither here nor there.

Anxiety said:

Bingo.

It's amazing to me Steve "the jerk" Dahl has milked this for more than 15 min. Yeah, disco towards the end became a formula... the same beat worked with any song but like all music you had your good and you had your junk. It's always been my opinion what killed disco in part was when straight men started coming out to the clubs. Wanna talk about the true "drama queens".

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TD3 said:

Anxiety said:

Harlepolis said:

what was that?

I think they are talking about rap soon coming to the forefront.
TD3, check your pms

bboy87 said:

Gay people coming out collectively. And as you see, gay marriage is all the RAGE nowadays despite people's disapproval.

What did Black people think of Donna Summer? Cause she was a true cross over artist. And heres what a blog got to say about her:

I don't feel that Donna really felt comfort from the African-American community. Many felt that disco watered down the social consciousness and Blackness of soul and R&B music during the 1970s. Since she is the so-called Queen of Disco, she is the blame behind the mainstream space of African-American women and Gay Men of both African-American and White persuasions, two of the most blighted groups in the eyes of White straight males. I am sorry but I don't think she is the real Queen of Disco because Gloria Gaynor claimed she is from her autobiography. It is just that Gloria was too BLACK and dark-skinned for many of the European and White American straight and gay males who got off on shaking their asses to colorless and culturalless Black soulless divas. Disco was an escape from the harsh realities of 1970s recession America, the Vietnam War, the Black Power Movement, the rise of cocaine and heroin in the inner cities and the suburbs, and severe poverty so Gloria was not their beauty and cultural standard. I am not going to say that they did not like her but I am saying that they could easily identify with Donna for the fact that she was colorless, not soulful, and loved White men. I remember watching a week-long special on VH1 a decade ago on which Gladys Knight, Isaac Hayes, and other soul and R&B artists stated how disco eroded the social consciousness of the plight of Black people of the songs. Donna was also accused of being a transsexual by many Black people and that gravely hurt her and her career.

Reading this makes me sad

tamewar said:

How can one say that the mainstream didn't like Gloria Gaynor when "I Will Survive" was played more times than "Hot Stuff". Donna has been maligned for so many years it ain't funny. It wasn't like Donna was light-skinned or the "Diana Ross" of disco. Jesus... Donna always saw herself as a pop singer anyways so their point was?

And Gloria said "FIRST LADY of disco", Donna's the "queen". It's like saying Mary Wells was the "first lady of Motown" and Diana being "queen". Big deal.
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tamewar said:

poor Donna couldn't catch a break ad to that the rumor of her opinion on AIDS.

Um, do those people not see? Donna Summers is not light skinned AT ALL! And Diana Ross also loved white men, so what is their point? I will say that while Diana has been maligned by the black community and widely thought of as a bitch, I have never heard Donna given much love by the black community. She is never on the shortlist of singers who can really belt it out. Now that I think about it, it is quite curious.

ehuffnsd said:

They really hated on Donna and I'm still trying to understand why. She was something of a pioneer in what she was doing but she hardly gets the credit because:

1.) She's a woman
2.) She's black
3.) She's a pop artist
4.) Gay audiences worshipped her (and continue to despite the rumors) and I feel the media was out to get back at Donna for a comment that was miscontrued to high heaven
5.) She was never "R&B", she was one of the few black artists to sing in the modern pop/rock genre that was disguised as "disco"
6.) She didn't make her music in Detroit, Philly or Memphis, she was a Boston girl who came of musical age in Germany.

People need to stop disrespecting Donna.
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scriptgirl said:

which would also suck, since there's really good, original rap/hip-hop music out there, and there's really crappy, formulaic rap/hip-hop music out there as well. and who's to say what is definitively good and what is crap? what i think is brilliant, someone else might think is junk. people need to keep their opinions on a leash.

scriptgirl said:

You're not the only one who noticed that.

Timmy84 said:

Let them say Gloria wack ass is the true queen of disco. Donna was a free soul, she went where black people are afraid to go. I mean she can sing anything and that turn off close minded black people. And Donna being soul-less Colorless yes but not in a bad way. She did her own thing and i'm so proud of her. Black have be saying she a sell-out for so long, get over it just because she wasn't all fight the power and rocking a fake ass afro ala Diana soul-less Ross.
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tamewar said:

Donna has SOUL, I don't see how my community would think she didn't yet Diana Ross gets kudos for cooing "Reach Out and Touch". You know Donna would've sung the shit out of it! Donna was like the disco version of Betty Davis. Black folks didn't get Betty either. I don't know what's up with my community half the time... As for Gloria being "embraced" by black folks, I don't recall her songs being big hits on the R&B charts either besides "Never Can Say Goodbye" and "I Will Survive", after that, she peaked, and yet according to this blogger, she was embraced? Chile boo, FIRST CHOICE was way more embraced by black folks than Gloria was.
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Also, I forgot to add, like many great black singers, many, but not all, Donna comes from a CHURCH/GOSPEL background and you can hear it in her voice. I think a lot of people back in the day were pissed cause she toured with HAIR and got discovered in Europe and her main producer/supporter was Giorgio Moroder. I think a lot of people didn't know how to take that, cause that was not the traditional route that black female singers took.

Also forgot to add that while Diana does not give the black community warm fuzzies, she is revered because she was in the Supremes.

scriptgirl said:

Yeah and she's associated with Motown. But yeah Donna going to do "HAIR" in Europe and then settling in Germany before coming back to the U.S. was very rare.

Then as now, black people tend to ostracize our own for unconventional choices. My mom and I were talking about P because I showed her that vid of P, James Brown and MJ on the same stage. My mom was surprised that so many did not go wild when P took the stage. I told her at that time, P was not huge, that people only knew him from 1999 and that Purple Rain had not hit yet. I then told her that P being this beloved icon is a VERY recent development and to this day, a LOT of people in the black community haven't taken kindly to him, but give him a pass cause he has been around forever and even if you don't like him, people admit his talent. There are more examples of black superstars not being embraced by their community, but P is the easiest example for me.

Timmy84 said:

Donna was like the Kelis back then but more sucessful. And she was the first to be seen as colorless unlike many black artist who try so hard to crossover whitewahing there voice and all. Diana ross comes to mind she was never seen as colorless unlike Donna.

Black People hate on Donna but not Diana ross who is very overrated and souless. She didn't write, she couldn't really sing. I mean she was wack the beyonce of her time, she was a lame

But Donna she was so fresh it's the disco stima. because she she be getting all the award soul-less ross be getting!

Donna made sexy cool for females. She was the first true Black sex symbol in music to appeal to both Whites and Blacks unless doris day ross. My father adore her.
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scriptgirl said:

He's been called a sell-out too, along with Jimi hendrix. Why is it when Black people don't want to do the norm boring thing that there are suppose to do there a sell-out. People are so close-minded always trying to put someone in a box.

tamewar said:

Hehe, I tend to agree.

I was just gonna say Jimi as well. It is really sad. But school me on this-was or wasn't disco embraced by the black community as a whole?

scriptgirl said:

It's 50/50. There were a lot of black folks who dug some forms of disco and other folks that dissed it. George Clinton was not really a big fan of disco either. Some early hip-hoppers either liked it (Sugarhill Gang) or dissed it (Run DMC).