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Printablesuga10 said: dag said: It´s not just you. I hate it too. I don´t know why he changed it. Well, if the ex-girlfriend version is true, than maybe in order to avoid journalist to get into it more, he decided to change it completely to protect her and he knew that everyone would buy the surrogate mother story because he knows that people can´t see him being romantic with women. If the surrogate is true, than maybe he wanted to look like a man at first and then decided to tell the truth, but his body-language is still puzzling to me and also Mike never cared to portay this ladies lover image, so why bother at that moment. That is why I tend to see the first version more believable or maybe I just want the first version to be true cause I would like it better to see Mike having a relationship with a woman. I don´t know. But anyway, I think either version could be true so let´s not forget it. The thing about this ex-girlfriend rumor that's weird is that Blanket's mother has not come forth once at all even after Michael has passed away. You would think that a mother who gave birth to her child would come forth to claim custody of the child. That's why I'm more inclined to believe the whole surrogate story, that the mother has given away the rights to the child, and the kids is Michael's child. [Edited 7/26/09 12:22pm] That´s weird. I don´t know, maybe she is or was involved. Who knows who lived with him? What I find weird is also how in the world could have he been married to Lisa for few months without anyone knowing it because when the news broke, Mike´s family and Priscilla denied it cuase they simply didn´t know about it. Janet was married for 10 years and noone knew. I am not saying that he was married, we would have probably known. I really don´t know. There are just two stories and maybe one day we´ll find out the truth. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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suga10 said: I've never seen this part of the Primetime 95 interview, only the part he beatboxes
Me neither.  OMG, thanks so much for posting this??? Damn, why hasn´t all the footage and pix released when he was alive?"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: suga10 said: The thing about this ex-girlfriend rumor that's weird is that Blanket's mother has not come forth once at all even after Michael has passed away. You would think that a mother who gave birth to her child would come forth to claim custody of the child. That's why I'm more inclined to believe the whole surrogate story, that the mother has given away the rights to the child, and the kids is Michael's child. [Edited 7/26/09 12:22pm] That´s weird. I don´t know, maybe she is or was involved. Who knows who lived with him? What I find weird is also how in the world could have he been married to Lisa for few months without anyone knowing it because when the news broke, Mike´s family and Priscilla denied it cuase they simply didn´t know about it. Janet was married for 10 years and noone knew. I am not saying that he was married, we would have probably known. I really don´t know. There are just two stories and maybe one day we´ll find out the truth. Why won't the Jacksons just tell the truth? That's why people believe they always lying in the first place. I find it strange that even a family that famous always have two or three or four different stories that some of them (Mike included) always tell in terms of their private lives. When they mention anything halfway, why would they be shocked that anyone else will question that? They play this "figure it out" game for so long. They could just refuse to talk about it altogether but when you do what they do, it leaves you with more questions than answers. This is why people find it difficult to wonder why Michael isn't buried right now. Do they really know anything or are they just saying stuff to be keeping secrets because of the media? What is it? And why are some of them willing to tell stories to tabloids? Confusing shit. | |
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dag said: suga10 said: The thing about this ex-girlfriend rumor that's weird is that Blanket's mother has not come forth once at all even after Michael has passed away. You would think that a mother who gave birth to her child would come forth to claim custody of the child. That's why I'm more inclined to believe the whole surrogate story, that the mother has given away the rights to the child, and the kids is Michael's child. [Edited 7/26/09 12:22pm] That´s weird. I don´t know, maybe she is or was involved. Who knows who lived with him? What I find weird is also how in the world could have he been married to Lisa for few months without anyone knowing it because when the news broke, Mike´s family and Priscilla denied it cuase they simply didn´t know about it. Janet was married for 10 years and noone knew. I am not saying that he was married, we would have probably known. I really don´t know. There are just two stories and maybe one day we´ll find out the truth. Yeah Janet was married, but everyone knew her and Rene were together and a couple. They never hid their love for each other in public. In a way, it was not entirely a secret. You can also think of the fact that Michael and Debbie got into that whole custody mess between Prince Michael and Paris, and after that whole fiasco, Michael learned from his mistake and went about the right away of getting another child. | |
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suga10 said: dag said: That´s weird. I don´t know, maybe she is or was involved. Who knows who lived with him? What I find weird is also how in the world could have he been married to Lisa for few months without anyone knowing it because when the news broke, Mike´s family and Priscilla denied it cuase they simply didn´t know about it. Janet was married for 10 years and noone knew. I am not saying that he was married, we would have probably known. I really don´t know. There are just two stories and maybe one day we´ll find out the truth. Yeah Janet was married, but everyone knew her and Rene were together and a couple. They never hid their love for each other in public. In a way, it was not entirely a secret. You can also think of the fact that Michael and Debbie got into that whole custody mess between Prince Michael and Paris, and after that whole fiasco, Michael learned from his mistake and went about the right away of getting another child. She did deny they were married for years, lol. I remembered the interviews. "We're spiritually connected..." In a way I can see WHY Janet would lie about them not being married, but like I said it leads some to think "what other stories have they've been wrong about?" I don't believe Janet has a kid but people now have a motive to go "well she lied about her marriage, maybe she does have a child". Janet should write an autobiography and just lay it all out there. | |
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Suga, do you happen to know when was that custody fight between Mike and Debbie? Was it before or after Blanket was born? I think it was around the time during the trial cause I remember than when Debbie was called to the stand, people were worried she would speak against him because it might help her in her battle. So if the custody fight appeared after Blanket was born, than that argument would not work. But I really don´t know the timeline.
Timmy, I feel the same. It´s tough especially now, cause you don´t know what to believe. I am not even reading those stories cause just the headlines are confusing enough. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Reuters: Michael Jackson Aimed To Direct Movie About Foster Children July 2009 Three months before his death, Michael Jackson committed to co-directing and financing a movie -- a poignant drama about foster children -- and planned to get started as soon as he completed his London concerts. The news is the latest in a series of revelations that are helping to shed light on the pop star's passions and projects, even as the investigation into his abuse of prescription drugs and a tussle over custody of his children rage on. The movie project also is eerily keyed to one of the most haunting aspects of Jackson's life: his apparent feeling that the Jackson 5's huge success robbed him of his childhood. "He was very excited about making movies and wanted his hands on everything, from working on screenplays to producing, to writing the music. However, he never showed any interest in acting," B-movie producer, writer and director Bryan Michael Stoller said of Jackson, who starred in the 1978 pic "The Wiz." Stoller said he had a 23-year friendship with the pop star and was his partner in the film company Magic Shadows. He was to have co-directed the movie, called "They Cage the Animals at Night," which Stoller said they had been developing for seven years. Inspired by Book The project was based on a 1985 book about the real-life experiences of author Jennings Michael Burch, who bounced around foster homes as a child. Jackson showed the book to Stoller in 2002 at his Neverland estate and asked if he wanted to produce and co-direct a movie version. "Michael told me often he felt like he grew up as an orphan, like a foster kid, because he never was in one home," Stoller said. "To him every hotel was like a different foster home. He said he used to sit in the window and see kids playing outside and cry because he couldn't be part of that." Stoller optioned the book for $1 -- initially without telling Burch about Jackson's involvement. When he did tell him, Stoller said the author was excited to work with the singer. Jackson, meanwhile, was concerned that Burch, then 67 and suffering from cancer, might not survive to see the movie made. So Stoller suggested bringing Burch to Neverland in 2003, where Jackson turned the tables and interviewed him for what was to be a TV special and for the eventual DVD. During their highly charged conversation, Jackson asked the author if he had ever considered suicide. Burch said he had, and Jackson said he too had considered it during his darkest days. (A clip from this footage is available at THR.com.) Stoller recorded their meeting, an addition to a collection of videos he made with Jackson over the years, and to hours of audio recordings from their meetings. Stoller told The Hollywood Reporter he has now come forward because he believes this material humanizes his friend at a time when much myth-making about Jackson is taking place. The producer also is marketing his video, audio and photos either for outright sale or as a project he would produce and direct. He said he already has had interest from NBC, CBS and E! Entertainment. But insiders in the Jackson camp said there was no formal deal in place for any Jackson involvement in "Cage"; discussions between the artist and Stoller occurred when Jackson was without management, which may have frowned on any distractions as he prepared for the London shows. Jackson's last film foray was a 2005 comedic farce, "Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls," produced, written and directed by Stoller and starring Eric Roberts. Jackson is briefly in the movie as Agent M.J., who comes to the rescue of various characters on a beam of light. The movie was a direct-to-DVD release sold briefly at Blockbuster stores. When Jackson was indicted on child molestation charges shortly after its release, Blockbuster pulled the film from its shelves. "Miss Cast Away" has been sold overseas by Showcase Entertainment, and Stoller said he has offers for a new domestic video release for Jackson's last movie appearance. "They Cage the Animals" also was affected by the molestation charges, Stoller said. In 2003 the producer arranged a three-hour meeting in a Universal City hotel between Jackson and Mel Gibson, who besides being an actor is a producer and partner in Icon Prods. "They got along great," Stoller said. "It was kind of funny. Mel was a little nervous. He was hugging a pillow the whole time, kind of playing with it. Michael was kind of shy." Icon signed a deal to develop the project with a budget of $12 million-$20 million, according to Stoller, who was paid by Icon to write the screenplay. A couple of months later, when Jackson was indicted in Santa Barbara, Calif., Icon dropped the project, and Gibson stopped returning Stoller's phone calls. There were news reports in 2005 that Icon had dropped the project. A spokesman for Icon said the company briefly was involved in developing it in 1995 but had lost interest by 1997. Stoller has a copy of his contract with Icon dated 2002. Stoller said Icon still owns the screenplay, but an Icon representative rebutted that, saying the company has had no involvement or ownership for 10 years. Gibson declined comment for this report. Watching Movies Jackson lost contact with Stoller for about two years during the period when the singer was on trial. But after his acquittal, Jackson reached out to him. They had watched dozens of movies in the Neverland theater; Stoller said Jackson's favorite was "To Kill a Mockingbird," and that they also discussed doing a remake of the comedy musical "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang." "When Jackson called in 2007, he still had movies on his mind," Stoller said. "He had begun to purchase movie production equipment. He was always asking how things work, but I never saw him really work things. But he wanted all the toys. He bought a dolly and wanted me to show the kids how to use it because they were using it as a play toy, riding around on it." Jackson wasn't interested in making a blockbuster. "He wanted to do movies the Academy would like," Stoller recalled. Three months before Jackson's death, he and Stoller had "a pretty serious meeting" about reviving "They Cage the Animals" as an indie feature, the producer said. "Michael was going to put up $8 million and not have to deal with any studios or producers and then take it to the studios afterward," Stoller said. "He was very passionate about being a director. He was determined to make this movie." http://www.reuters.com/ar...dChannel=0 [Edited 7/26/09 12:44pm] | |
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dag said: Suga, do you happen to know when was that custody fight between Mike and Debbie? Was it before or after Blanket was born? I think it was around the time during the trial cause I remember than when Debbie was called to the stand, people were worried she would speak against him because it might help her in her battle. So if the custody fight appeared after Blanket was born, than that argument would not work. But I really don´t know the timeline.
Timmy, I feel the same. It´s tough especially now, cause you don´t know what to believe. I am not even reading those stories cause just the headlines are confusing enough. And the stories are getting more outrageous at the moment. | |
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dag said: Suga, do you happen to know when was that custody fight between Mike and Debbie? Was it before or after Blanket was born? I think it was around the time during the trial cause I remember than when Debbie was called to the stand, people were worried she would speak against him because it might help her in her battle. So if the custody fight appeared after Blanket was born, than that argument would not work. But I really don´t know the timeline.
Timmy, I feel the same. It´s tough especially now, cause you don´t know what to believe. I am not even reading those stories cause just the headlines are confusing enough. I thought I remember reading something about something happening in 1999, that Debbie gave custody to Michael. I know they divorced that time too. Here it is from ABC http://abcnews.go.com/Ent...212&page=1 Rowe received a hefty settlement when she divorced Jackson in 1999. As part of that settlement, Rowe agreed to allow Jackson to have custody of their two children.
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Timmy84 said: dag said: Suga, do you happen to know when was that custody fight between Mike and Debbie? Was it before or after Blanket was born? I think it was around the time during the trial cause I remember than when Debbie was called to the stand, people were worried she would speak against him because it might help her in her battle. So if the custody fight appeared after Blanket was born, than that argument would not work. But I really don´t know the timeline.
Timmy, I feel the same. It´s tough especially now, cause you don´t know what to believe. I am not even reading those stories cause just the headlines are confusing enough. And the stories are getting more outrageous at the moment. So you are reading them? If something worth my attention comes up, please let me know.  "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: And the stories are getting more outrageous at the moment. So you are reading them? If something worth my attention comes up, please let me know. Well far from the TMZ "report" that paramedics couldn't recognize him because he was "sick, old and frail-looking", nothing that you probably wouldn't be interested in and you probably won't be interested in that one either. | |
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Another interview
1999 Talks about Thriller stuff About Billie Jean About Beat it | |
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suga10 said: dag said: Suga, do you happen to know when was that custody fight between Mike and Debbie? Was it before or after Blanket was born? I think it was around the time during the trial cause I remember than when Debbie was called to the stand, people were worried she would speak against him because it might help her in her battle. So if the custody fight appeared after Blanket was born, than that argument would not work. But I really don´t know the timeline.
Timmy, I feel the same. It´s tough especially now, cause you don´t know what to believe. I am not even reading those stories cause just the headlines are confusing enough. I thought I remember reading something about something happening in 1999, that Debbie gave custody to Michael. I know they divorced that time too. Well, but I don´t think that at the time of their divorce it was that much of a deal cause she said repeatedly that she had the kids so that HE could be a father and during their marriage it looked that Mike was in charge of taking care of them being with Prince on European tour taking care of him so it would be very weird if she was trying to cause some problems at that time. I am not really aware of any. Does anyone know anything about it? But I know that she changed her mind later on and came with a suit seeking some visitation rights and they somehow reach an agreement later on so we don´t know what happened. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Timmy84 said: dag said: So you are reading them? If something worth my attention comes up, please let me know. Well far from the TMZ "report" that paramedics couldn't recognize him because he was "sick, old and frail-looking", nothing that you probably wouldn't be interested in and you probably won't be interested in that one either. Yeah, I read just the headline of "sick, old and frail-looking" and refused to read further. He truly did not look like himself in that last picture of him being taken away....idiots.... Ah, I love that last interview you posted. He looked sexy as hell in it. OMG there´s some unseet parts too. [Edited 7/26/09 12:56pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: Well far from the TMZ "report" that paramedics couldn't recognize him because he was "sick, old and frail-looking", nothing that you probably wouldn't be interested in and you probably won't be interested in that one either. Yeah, I read just the headline of "sick, old and frail-looking" and refused to read further. He truly did not look like himself in that last picture of him being taken away....idiots.... Ah, I love that last interview you posted. He looked sexy as hell in it. OMG there´s some unseet parts too.
[Edited 7/26/09 12:56pm] He looked really good in this interview in 1999. He should have left his face alone from this point onwards. | |
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suga10 said: dag said: Yeah, I read just the headline of "sick, old and frail-looking" and refused to read further. He truly did not look like himself in that last picture of him being taken away....idiots.... Ah, I love that last interview you posted. He looked sexy as hell in it. OMG there´s some unseet parts too.
[Edited 7/26/09 12:56pm] He looked really good in this interview in 1999. He should have left his face alone from this point onwards. Just his voice drives me crazy! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I want more of these interviews. They´re sooooo cool. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I found more.
Funny, cause I remember thinking recently how much I´d love to see the whole version of this interview and here it is. There should be one more part of him talking about meeting Vincent Price. [Edited 7/26/09 13:18pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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suga10 said: dag said: Yeah, I read just the headline of "sick, old and frail-looking" and refused to read further. He truly did not look like himself in that last picture of him being taken away....idiots.... Ah, I love that last interview you posted. He looked sexy as hell in it. OMG there´s some unseet parts too.
[Edited 7/26/09 12:56pm] He looked really good in this interview in 1999. He should have left his face alone from this point onwards. I think he should have stopped in '95. (The look from the Primetime Interview  ). But yes, he looked lovely in '99 too, with the facial hair. He certainly should have ceased the changes then, as that was around the time one of those stupid surgeons messed up his top lip, and in 2001 made it worse and, well, compromised his smile.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Another thing I haven´t seen so far.
Some more hotness. [Edited 7/26/09 13:34pm] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Janet and Michael accepting 1995 MTV VMA award
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MJ's Final Guitarist Remembers Michael Jackson's lead guitarist, Australian Orianthi Panagaris, yesterday told of the emotion behind the scenes at the memorial. The Adelaide-born musician sang We Are The World during the service, which new figures reveal was seen by more than 31 million viewers in the US alone. "It was a real honour to do that," she said. During the two-hour tribute at Los Angeles' Staples Center , Panagaris, 24, joined some of the biggest names in music including Stevie Wonder, Mariah Carey and Usher. "We thought we'd be playing the show, not his memorial," said Panagaris, who sang a short solo during the ballad. She admitted she burst into tears after Jennifer Hudson sang Jackson's Will You Be There."I started bawling, that's why I had the sunglasses on," she told The Daily Telegraph.The guitarist had only had two hours sleep before the service. "We were rehearsing right up until 11.30 the night before, then we had to be up early," she said. Panagaris had been due to play with Jackson in the comeback tour he was planning to launch before his June 25 death. She saw him the night before he died at a rehearsal. "He was so ready to go, so excited and happy," she said. "He wanted to do it for the fans." Jackson personally chose the Australian to play lead guitar in his comeback shows after a choreographer had asked her to audition for him. "I'm just glad I can say I had that amazing, surreal opportunity," she said. http://www.dailytelegraph...y-fn3i5h5v | |
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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MTV 1995 Pre VMA interview
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pplrain said: Paramedics: Jackson Dead When We Arrived
Posted Jul 26th 2009 2:00AM by TMZ Staff Law enforcement sources tell us when paramedics arrived at Michael Jackson's house he was already dead ... and it took them a while to even realize the victim was the famous singer. Our sources say when paramedics got to Jackson's home he was flatlined. There was no electrical activity in his heart and Jackson showed no sign of life. Multiple sources say paramedics wanted to pronounce Jackson dead at the scene but Dr. Conrad Murray insisted that the singer be transported to the hospital. Dr. Murray -- as a higher medical authority than the EMTs -- had the power to overrule them. Paramedics didn't realize for nearly 10 minutes the victim was Michael Jackson. As one emergency worker put it: "It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man." I don't know if the whole thing is true but it is true that he was already dead. Because on the day of his death someone on ONTD that their aunt worked at UCLA Medical Center in the women's health section and everyone in the hospital knew that he was already dead by the time he got there. | |
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StillDirrty said: pplrain said: Paramedics: Jackson Dead When We Arrived
Posted Jul 26th 2009 2:00AM by TMZ Staff Law enforcement sources tell us when paramedics arrived at Michael Jackson's house he was already dead ... and it took them a while to even realize the victim was the famous singer. Our sources say when paramedics got to Jackson's home he was flatlined. There was no electrical activity in his heart and Jackson showed no sign of life. Multiple sources say paramedics wanted to pronounce Jackson dead at the scene but Dr. Conrad Murray insisted that the singer be transported to the hospital. Dr. Murray -- as a higher medical authority than the EMTs -- had the power to overrule them. Paramedics didn't realize for nearly 10 minutes the victim was Michael Jackson. As one emergency worker put it: "It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man." I don't know if the whole thing is true but it is true that he was already dead. Because on the day of his death someone on ONTD that their aunt worked at UCLA Medical Center in the women's health section and everyone in the hospital knew that he was already dead by the time he got there. Which it also makes me think that the whole 911 Call was made-up regarding what was going on and he might been already dead at that time 
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Thank you SUGA for all those videos  MICHAEL JACKSON
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