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Reply #1950 posted 07/26/09 2:06am

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Michael Jackson: Why The Weirdness WAS The Greatness
July 2009

For decades, there have been two Michael Jacksons: the whirling-dervish pop genius and the mysterious, childlike, obsessive, tormented, at times freakish private soul.

In the weeks since he died, both dimensions of Michael -- the artist and the man -- have been paraded and discussed to an exhaustive degree. You could argue that each side has been raised to the level of mythology. Yet what isn't so often talked about is the inseverable connection between the two. From the outset of Michael Jackson's career, his extreme and heightened distance from the "normal" world has been one of the cornerstones of his art. Below are some of the ways that Michael’s "weirdness" was, in fact, always right at the soul of his musical and cultural power.

The Young Michael’s Vocal Phrasings

At the memorial service last Tuesday, Smokey Robinson, recalling his reaction to the first time he heard the 10-year-old Michael sing a version of "Who's Lovin' You" that outdid Smokey’s, acknowledged the dizzyingly precocious, almost nature-defying quality of Michael's ability to sing lyrics rooted in the experience of adulthood and to interpret those lyrics exactly as an adult would sing them. For me, the line that has always made the prepubescent Michael sound most bizarrely mature comes in "I Want You Back," when he sings: "Oh, darlin’, I was blind to let you go!"

He delivers those last four words like a wise old soul-sister diva tempering her ardor with worldly grace. The question Smokey Robinson raised, and didn’t quite answer, is: How did the young Michael do it? Did he feel those feelings? I would say that he did and he didn’t -- that what his boy-virtuoso vocal-emotional mimicry expressed was a personality so empathic that it was as if he could consume, through art, other people’s experiences, and therefore felt no need to live those experiences himself. In that sense, Jackson’s "childlike" nature emerged out of the paradox that he didn't have to grow up because he was always, in his imagination, a super-adult.


Singing to Strange Love Objects, Part I

Michael first declared his independence from his brothers with his early solo albums, the second of which was Ben (1972), the title song of which was a melancholy love ballad...sung to a rat. Whoever came up with the masterstroke concept of getting the teenage Michael, with his yearning, crystalline soprano, to croon the theme song of the sequel to Willard was on to something profound: The song testified to Michael’s angelic quality (who but an angel could love a rat?), but it also hinted, years ahead of time, at his dark side -- his attraction to monsters, and the loneliness that would make the biggest superstar in the world feel too isolated and lost to be loved by anyone human. Twenty years later, Michael did another movie theme song -- “Will You Be There,” his mash note to the killer whale of Free Willy -- and though the gorgeous, gospel-inflected number is heavenly to listen to, the underlying Michael message remains the same: animals are glorious, far more so than people.

Why the Plastic Surgery Mattered, Part I

Before he went off the deep end of facial reconstruction, carving away at the features God gave him as if they were marble (or Silly Putty) and he was his own Michelangelo, Jackson’s resculpting of his facial image was an essential dynamic of his pop magic.

Amid all the standard psychosexual/racial analysis of how he wanted to be white, look like Diana Ross, etc., much has been made of how, and why, Michael loathed his adolescent face: the acne, the prominent nose that brought out a suggestion of the father he despised. In the 2003 Martin Bashir TV special, Michael himself recalls a painful incident in which a fan in the mid-'70s came up to the Jacksons looking for "little Michael," and when she saw what little Michael had grown up into, she went "Ugh!"

The key to Michael’s first foray into plastic surgery, cued to the release of Off the Wall (1979), is that it tapered his face into a grown-up facsimile of the little Michael that he had lost. In doing so, he launched, in effect, his second childhood. I think that, as much as the hooks and the burbling disco-soul rhythms, is what accounts for the incandescent joy that radiates out of him in the great videos from that album: “Rock With You” and, especially, “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough.”

In those charmingly low-tech early music vids, he’s finally on his own, trying out a first-draft version of his electro-marionette dance moves, and yes, the music is divine, but more than anything else, it is that face -- transformed and transfigured -- that liberates Michael to look more relaxed and real, more purely blissed-out in his art than he ever looked before or since.

The Real Meaning of "Billie Jean"

From that opening up/down drum beat and snaky bass walk, it is, and always will be, Michael’s greatest song -- his signature statement in the form of a demonic dance-floor epiphany.

His legendary performance of it on the 1983 Motown 25th Anniversary special was the moment he moonwalked from superstar into cosmic Elvis/Beatles strato-stardom. Yet what is it about "Billie Jean" that makes it Michael’s anthem of anthems? It’s the angry power of the song’s hidden message. On the surface, Michael tells a woman who has accused him of fathering her child that he did no such thing: “The kid is not my son.” But what the fury of his performance tells you is that he’s not just rejecting the scandal, the false accusation -- he's rejecting the possibility of such an accusation. He's spitting on the temptation of sexuality itself.
The line "Billie Jean is not my lover!" is Michael's defiant declaration that he, and he alone, will not be lured into a world of sin. And that’s the weird, even scary Michael: the man-child who could transform sexual energy into volcanic dance theater, but who, in life, viewed the erotic as a debasement (or maybe as something that needed to be done in the basement).

Why the Plastic Surgery Mattered, Part II


In a special all-Michael edition of People magazine that came out near the end of 1984 (just after the Victory tour), the pop culture writer Albert Goldman contributed an essay that remains the single greatest analysis of Michael Jackson ever written. In it, he described the deep meaning of what Michael did to his face in order to launch, and enter, the Thriller era. Goldman hailed Jackson’s "Pygmalion operation" as "a stroke of genius" that transformed a "face you could have found in any high school yearbook" into that of a "prince who is also a swami, with those haunting eyes that appear to be seeing things that we can’t see." Goldman went on: "To have fashioned this extraordinary face out of such ordinary materials is the sign of an artist who is guided by a vision. What Michael Jackson got from his audacious act of self-authorship was a face that matched his soul and thus enabled him to become all soul."

By the late '80s, of course, Jackson’s obsession with plastic surgery had become an addiction, with the star perpetually "evolving" as he made his face sleeker, lighter, cleftier, pointier, girlier… But before all that, at the height of Michael-mania (1983-1985), Jackson used his doe-eyed spectral model’s visage in a unique and heightened way: At a time when masculinity in rock was becoming brawnier, cruder, and ever more cliché, Michael fashioned himself into an androgynous beauty mask so that off stage he seemed not masculine at all, but in performance, on stage or in his videos, that delicacy gave way to a seething, snarling fury (just think of his scowling fever in "Beat It") that could express more potent aggression than that of the most "dangerous" rockers. That, more than anything, was the real leap from Off the Wall to Thriller: the outing, and stylized presentation of, Michael Jackson’s inner wrath.

His Identification With Ghouls

In the famous video for "Thriller," Michael showcased his special kinship with horror movies in the form of a corny, neo-1950s, back-to-the-future letter-sweater fantasy of beasts run wild. With Jackson himself cast as a teenage werewolf who’s "not like other guys," the 14-minute John Landis super-production had a deliberate -- and, to me, instantly dated – faux-Lucas/Spielberg cardboard “innocence.” (It was also the beginning of Jackson’s over-reliance on Broadway-style choreography, which tended to diminish the zigzag singularity of his own live-wire moves.) Yet one aspect of the "Thriller" video is far more haunting now than it was then: When Michael, in living-dead makeup, leads a chorus line of zombies, he seems to be anticipating, by 15 years, the ghostly monsterization of his own face. At the time, it seemed hip that he could play at being a ghoul. The video now looks like a dry run for the way he’d gradually turn himself into one.

The Dark Glory of "Smooth Criminal


" When Bad was released in 1987, it contained a song that was hailed as the "sequel" to "Billie Jean." Unfortunately, that song was the lugubrious, sluggish, and schematic "Dirty Diana," one of the worst tracks of Jackson’s career. Bad, however, really did contain the sequel to "Billie Jean," and it’s a song that remains, after more than 20 years, Michael’s single most under-celebrated masterpiece: the gorgeously, ominously intoxicating "Smooth Criminal." One listen to its two-step heartbeat, its percolating syncopated bass line, and you can hear that it’s "Billie Jean" shot through with more anxiety. What’s finally haunting about "Smooth Criminal," though, is the way that its lyrics offer a veiled, almost coded response to the earlier song’s puritanical outrage.

Singing in a percussive stutter, so that he sounds not just stormy but possessed, Michael unfurls fragmentary images of a woman’s bloody murder: He came in through the window, he left bloodstains on the carpet; "she was struck down, it was her doom;" and, finally, the singer’s soaring plea for the victim ("Annie are you okay, will you tell us, that you’re okay?"). A song of intense violence…and compassion. But if you watch its brilliant long-form video, in which Michael, appearing as a natty white-suited period gangster, does some of his most slashingly visionary dance moves, a deeper meaning emerges. It’s that Michael, the song’s agonized and divided conscience, isn’t just crying with compassion -- he’s also the criminal. “Smooth Criminal” mourns the death of Annie, but at the same time the song is a violent rock & roll fantasia in which the innocent Annie must die to atone for Billie Jean’s sin. It’s a song that glistens like a dagger in the night, because it reflects the ecstatic anger in Michael Jackson’s soul.

Singing to Strange Love Objects, Part II

Who did Michael Jackson love? There’s an eerie abstraction to nearly every one of his romantic songs (Who’s out of his life? Who’s the pretty young thing?), because in reality he always seemed isolated, never more so than behind the facade of his very public marriages. To me, the last transcendently great song he ever recorded -- it’s off of HIStory (1995) -- is "You Are Not Alone," a rapturous melancholy ballad that, if you listen to it closely, takes on the quality of a confession. (The song was written by -- don’t laugh -- R. Kelly.) Michael is singing to a lover who, for reasons that are never explained, was forced to part from him. "Did you have to go," he asks, "and leave my world so cold?" But even in his heartbreak, a voice whispers in Michael’s ear and says:

You are not alone, I am here with you
Though you’re far away, I am here to stay.


That voice is Michael talking to himself, soothing his loneliness. Yet as his own voice rises, slowly and majestically, building toward a tremulous croon that is shockingly passionate even for Michael (in the video, he sings it with his shirt wide open -- as close as he ever got to naked in a performance), it’s also clear that he’s addressing the mystery lover, saying: You are not alone. The song takes on a delicately omniscient, almost soft-stalker vibe. But who is Michael Jackson really singing to? Who is it that left him alone, and that he’ll always be bonded to in his heart? "You Are Not Alone" is Michael’s haunting testament to a love denied, and maybe even forbidden, by fate. It’s a song about why Michael Jackson could never find love on this earth.


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Some of these "commemorative analyses" are just mostly bad.
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"Up and down drum beat", "Will You Be There" being about animals etc. uhm, okay.
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Reply #1951 posted 07/26/09 2:16am

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What the writer fails to realise was that Will You Be There? wasn't written for Free Willy (it was later used in the movie and the video features scenes from the movie). Whereas Childhood was opted for Free Willy 2 before the release of HiStory (though this has as much in common with the story of the whale as Will You Be There does).

Lazy journalism.

Swa
"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
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Reply #1952 posted 07/26/09 2:20am

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Dirty Diana is one of his worst tracks of his career? SAY WHAT?!?!?
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Reply #1953 posted 07/26/09 3:14am

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How the FUCK does anyone listen to Dirty Diana and conclude that it's sluggish?

What the fuck is wrong with people?
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Reply #1954 posted 07/26/09 4:07am

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purplesweat said:

Who gives a flying fuck about Rupert Everett, I can't even think of a movie he's been in recently.

He's just using MJ's name to get some headlines.


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Reply #1955 posted 07/26/09 4:26am

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How the FUCK does anyone listen to Dirty Diana and conclude that it's sluggish?

What the fuck is wrong with people?

I KNOW. I mean it's as if they're talking about You Are My Life or some shit like that.

As for Rupert Everett talking about plastic surgery - LOL, at least MJ didn't deny having any at all while you have a REALLY BAD face lift and are saying that's natural.
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Reply #1956 posted 07/26/09 4:51am

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yeah, people in such a rush to get on that damned gravy train, it's a circus, news coming this way, that way. Mike would probably laugh at alot of it. Ian Halperin and diane dimonds' books are already on shelves at the supermarket, vultures everywhere.
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Reply #1957 posted 07/26/09 5:29am

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This is my fave MJ song... there are so many too. heart
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Reply #1958 posted 07/26/09 5:39am

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Reply #1959 posted 07/26/09 5:59am

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Paramedics: Jackson Dead When We Arrived
Posted Jul 26th 2009 2:00AM by TMZ Staff

Law enforcement sources tell us when paramedics arrived at Michael Jackson's house he was already dead ... and it took them a while to even realize the victim was the famous singer.

Our sources say when paramedics got to Jackson's home he was flatlined. There was no electrical activity in his heart and Jackson showed no sign of life.

Multiple sources say paramedics wanted to pronounce Jackson dead at the scene but Dr. Conrad Murray insisted that the singer be transported to the hospital. Dr. Murray -- as a higher medical authority than the EMTs -- had the power to overrule them.

Paramedics didn't realize for nearly 10 minutes the victim was Michael Jackson. As one emergency worker put it: "It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man."
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Reply #1960 posted 07/26/09 6:17am

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While Smokey Robinson's Career Hits High, Jackson's Death Difficult
July 2009


This should, by all rights, be the time of William “Smokey” Robinson’s life.

He’s in the midst of celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Motown Records empire, where he was a signature artist and executive. His former group, the Miracles, received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (Robinson got his own several years ago). Already in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Songwriters Hall of Fame, he received an honorary degree from the Berklee College of Music in Boston, an International Special Achievement Award at this year’s Ivor Novello Awards in London and the prestigious Rhythm & Soul Heritage Award from the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP).

And he has a new album due out next month. But Robinson’s reverie was severely tempered when he learned that his Motown “little brother” Michael Jackson died in June.

“It was rough for me, man,” says the Detroit-born Robinson, 69, who was the first speaker at Jackson’s memorial service on July 7 in Los Angeles. “It was a huge shock. My psyche wouldn’t accept it at first. He was a young man and ... appeared to be in very good condition with all the jumping around and dancing and stuff like that. To hear he died from a heart (failure) was unacceptable, really.

“I’ve had three deaths that have shocked me like that — his and Marvin Gaye (in 1984) and Ron White, the guy I used to sing with in the Miracles (in 1995). I’m just hanging in there and trying to let things kind of subside, you know, and go on.”

Robinson carries on with one of the most accomplished careers in pop music, with a reputation as “America’s greatest living poet,” bestowed by no less than Bob Dylan. He has an enduring body of hits as a performer, both with the Miracles, on his own, and as a writer and producer — including Motown’s first million-seller, the Miracles’ “Shop Around,” and arguably its greatest song, the Temptations’ “My Girl.”

He’s also credited with convincing Berry Gordy, Jr. to start Motown in the first place, though Robinson says that’s not entirely accurate.

“I talked him into making (Motown) national and international,” Robinson explains. “We were local and he didn’t think we were ready to go national, and I convinced him that we were. We were having so many hits, locally in Detroit, and he would have to go to some other company ...

“So I just told him, ‘Y’know, why don’t we just do it ourselves?’ And he said, ‘You got that much confidence in me?’ I said, ‘Yeah, I definitely have,’ and so we did it. And the rest is, well, it’s history, isn’t it?”

And Robinson is proud that he’s part of that history, not only as an artist, songwriter and producer, but also as a Motown vice president from 1961-88.

“The very first day when Berry started Motown, there was him and four other people there, and he sat us down and said ‘We are going to make music for the world,’ ” Robinson recalls, “and thank God that’s what we accomplished. It’s a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful blessing to be a part of that and to know that it has endured and that if it came out today it would be a hit again, and to know that generations upon generations upon generations of people all over the world have grown up to it and are still growing up to it. That’s just ... a blessing.”

Robinson hasn’t rested on his blessings — or his laurels, for that matter. He’s stayed active as an artist, even after leaving Motown in the early ’90s, enjoying intermittent chart success such as “Double Good Everything” in 1991. He launched a line of food products in 2004 and has been an “American Idol” mainstay, including mentoring the final 10 contestants on a Motown-themed episode last season.

And, he says, the creative muse remains very present in his life.

“Almost every day of my life, some kind of idea for a song comes to me — and I’m not exaggerating that,” Robinson says. “Almost every day of my life sees a melody or some words, a phrase, a thought — something. And many times, I don’t write ’em down or anything like that. If I get really excited about one ... I call my voicemail and put it on there so I won’t forget it.”

Some of Robinson’s latest ideas populate “Time Flies When You’re Having Fun,” which is due out Aug. 25 and is his first release on his own ROBSO Records label. Robinson wrote all the songs on the album except for a version of the Norah Jones hit “Don’t Know Why,” and the album — his first since the standards collection “Timeless Love” in 2006 — features guest appearances by Carlos Santana, India.Arie and Joss Stone.

“I titled it ‘Time Flies When You’re Having Fun’ ’cause that’s how I feel about my life,” Robinson says. “I feel so blessed that I get to live a life and earn a living doing what I love. I feel like it’s a gift from God, you know? And it’s just flown by. Fifty years have passed by overnight. And I feel like I’ve got more to give, too, so I can’t wait to get to that.”


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Reply #1961 posted 07/26/09 6:20am

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NastradumasKid said:

utopia7 said:


THIS IS STYLE RIGHT HERE !!!

falloff He reminds me of someone..... hmmm

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Reply #1962 posted 07/26/09 6:23am

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The Way He Moved: Michael Jackson Leaves Void In The Dance World
July 20, 2009



Growing up in Crown Heights, Anthony Rue II wanted to be like Mike.

Not Jordan, prince of basketball — Jackson, king of pop. Rue, a native of that Brooklyn neighborhood, was raised on "Moonwalker," like so many children of the 1980s. But as a little boy harnessing a raw talent for dance, Jackson's stylish, high-concept choreography and music videos lifted him toward a higher calling.

Now 27, Rue — who trained first on the street and then in the studio — is a professional dancer and choreographer, currently performing on Madonna's "Sticky & Sweet" tour.

"He's the main reason why I even started dancing," Rue said of Jackson, who died of cardiac arrest on June 25. "But I didn't think his death would have hit me as hard as it did. ... I guess those kid years kind of came back and reminded me how much of a fan I was."

For many young dancers — especially boys — Jackson's singular grooves were transformative. And with the MTV video revolution, they could be viewed any given second: the dance-centric visual classics ("Beat It," ''Smooth Criminal" and many more) introduced the superstar's jaw-dropping, theatrical style to a younger generation of movers who also expressed themselves through dance.

"That was the teaching — watching stuff from the TV screen," Rue said in an interview from Brussels, Belgium, near the site of Madonna's recent concert in the city of Werchter. "When you're watching him at a young age and he's moving like that, you don't think of anything else but 'superhero,' 'not real,' 'magic.'"

By all accounts, when Jackson danced, he morphed into a completely different person. As he struggled with his self-image and personal demons that resulted in a disturbingly altered visage, on stage he shrugged it all off with a showmanship that was pure, distinctive and unparalleled.

Stephen Hill, executive vice president of entertainment and music programming at BET, described his dance style in a ridiculously appropriate word: "Jackson-esque."

Like none before him, Hill said, Jackson combined: the funky street dance called popping, akin to the robot and the moonwalk (which Jackson didn't invent but took mainstream); the slick, jazzy technique of choreographer Bob Fosse; the electric twists and turns of R&B showmen Jackie Wilson and James Brown.

"He no less than changed the way that human beings moved and moved to the beat," Hill said. "It wasn't just dancing to the beat. What he would do was he incorporated poses into dancing. It was one, two, three, stop! He'd pose for two or three beats and then keep moving."

Citing the video for "Billie Jean," which featured a sidekick, toe stand, among other showy flourishes, Hill explained: "It's dance, obviously, but it's more of a series of movements that are, 'OK, watch this move, now watch this move, now watch this move,' and it's not necessarily coming beat after beat after beat. I think that was definitely brought to music."

Jackson's deceptively effortless footwork — likely as much an emotional release as an artistic statement — inspired legions of imitators since he began moonwalking decades ago. MJ wannabes popped up everywhere from urban dance floors to suburban basements to MTV, where stylized choreography heightened the elaborate concerts and music videos of dance-pop stars such as Justin Timberlake, Usher, Britney Spears and Chris Brown.

Jackson influenced not just young people but also contemporaries such as Madonna and Lionel Richie, who has said he began dancing in his videos because of Jackson. While on tour in the '80s, Madonna even co-opted a "Billie Jean" routine before launching into "Like a Virgin" during a concert.

"It wasn't just about his dance moves, it was about the entire performance," said JC Chasez, 32, a judge on the MTV street dance-competition series "America's Best Dance Crew" and former member of the boy band 'N Sync, who sang and danced alongside Timberlake.

"He's one of the first people in pop music to really take the theatrics to such a scale, incorporated with the choreography. ... Now, it's kind of being viewed as that's what every kind of pop artist does now," said Chasez, who grew up "running around, singing 'Beat It' and 'Billie Jean.'"

He added, "And everywhere I stepped, the floor was supposed to light up in front of me."

But for those whose sole motivation was dance, Jackson helped spotlight the art form.

"He brought dance as a whole to a bigger level," Rue said, citing the videos and other large-scale productions. "His influence and his presence made our craft stronger. It made people pay more attention to it."

According to Rue, who began his training at the National Dance Institute at 9, Jackson's death has left a void in the dance world and his colleagues remain "in shock."

As a memorial, Rue — who goes by the stage name AntBoogie — posted Jackson concert clips on his Web site, Antboogieworld.com. Madonna, Rue and his fellow backup dancers paid tribute at a recent show; they swayed and clapped as a Jackson impersonator donned a single white glove and black fedora, striking a pose to the pulse of "Billie Jean."


Jackson was a passionate performer, renowned for his choreographic perfection. And because of accidents, frequent plastic surgery and the all-out intensity of his dancing, physical agony was the persistent problem with being Michael Jackson. Painkillers became a part of his life.

Now that he's gone, an ever younger generation — more familiar with Jackson the Freak Show than Jackson the Entertainer — is discovering his performances anew.

Alonzo Williams, 27, who runs the New York-based hip-hop dance company Rhythm City, recently choreographed a medley of Jackson's greatest hits for the group to perform at an Apollo Theater tribute. Naturally, they watched his videos, learning routines from "Thriller, "Remember the Time," ''Black or White" and other hits; on stage at the Apollo, the kids — ages 14 and up — slid with ease across the floor, earning loud cheers and whoops from the audience.

"When they have the opportunity to do what they love on stage and perform and dance, it's a sign of release," Williams said of his dance crew, some of whom come from troubled homes. "They get to let that energy out. ... It's their getaway. And I felt like that's how we relate to Michael, because I really felt like him being on his stage was his getaway."

Williams said during rehearsal they held a moment of silence and performed their favorite Jackson moves. Their respect deepened, he said, when they realized how much hard work Jackson must have put in to make it look that easy.

Miles away in Chicago, news of Jackson's death reverberated to the Joffrey Ballet School. The initial mood was a bit somber among the students at the intensive summer course, recalled ballet master Willy Shives, but that soon wore off.

"The kids, the girls, they're trying to do the moonwalk en pointe," said Shives, 47, whose wife, a former ballerina, successfully attempted that technique after observing Jackson's signature move (which he debuted during his appearance on the 1983 TV special "Motown 25: Yesterday, Today, Forever.")

According to Rue, the most important quality Jackson imparted was an irresistible stage presence.

"It's funny because people say when they watch me dance, they can see his influence in me, even though I'm totally a hip-hop dancer now," he said.

"His calling card — his makeup, his genetics and how he moves — I still keep. It's hard to explain, but it's there."


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Reply #1963 posted 07/26/09 6:36am

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Michael Jackson: Man in the Music, (Three Hidden Gems)
June 2009

I Can't Help It -- (from Off the Wall)


The emotional ending to "She's Out of My Life" sets the stage for the ethereal gem, "I Can't Help It." Composed by musical prophet Stevie Wonder, this synthesis of jazz, funk, and pop could qualify as Jackson's most brilliant early song people don't know about. It is certainly one of his best vocal performances, with its flawlessly smooth delivery, brilliant harmonies, and variety of vocal twists, syncopation, and even scatting. From its lush opening chords, "I Can't Help It" moves with the fluidity of a dream. "Looking in my mirror," Jackson sings. "Took me by surprise/I cant help but see you/Running often through my mind." Jackson allows the endings of words to take off, as if flying through the imagination. The song is about a lover ("an angel in disguise") who has enchanted the singer. "Love to run my fingers/Softly while you sigh," Jackson tells her. The subtle, but sensual lyrics float on the melody, rendering the weightless feel of being in love. Finally, towards the end of the song the lyrical descriptions dissolve into wordless exultations, perhaps signifying the joy of intimacy that simply can't be expressed in language.

"I Can't Help It" is the end result of two of the most talented musicians in history at the top of their games.




Human Nature -- (from Thriller)


"Human Nature" is synth-pop at its finest. "Simple, stark, quiet and beautiful," writes music critic J. Edward Keyes, " Jackson himself once described it as "music with wings," and indeed the singer's smooth voice seems to float effortlessly over its lush synthetic strings. An early version of the song was sent to Quincy Jones by the musical group Toto. Jones left the tape running until it reached an instrumental version of the track which he immediately fell in love with and brought to Jackson. "He and I both agreed that the song had the prettiest melody we'd heard in a long time," recalled Jones.

In its 1982 review the New York Times called "Human Nature" Thriller's most "striking" song: "This is a haunting, brooding ballad by Steve Porcaro and John Bettis, with an irresistible chorus, and it should be an enormous hit."

In its 2003 review Slant Magazine concurred, calling the track "probably the best musical composition on the album and surely one of the only Adult Contemporary ballads of its era worth remembering." Rolling Stone called it "beautifully fragile...open and brave."

Easily one of Jackson's best vocal performances, the song is further enhanced by it's subtle, intriguing lyrics: "Looking out/ Across the nighttime," Jackson sings, "The city winks a sleepless eye/ Hear her voice/ Shake my window/ Sweet seducing sigh. . ." The imagery throughout conjures the magic of a city at night; a young man, as if walking in a dream, is both observed (by "electric eyes") and observes ("she likes the way I stare"). Everything is experienced in a sort of fascinated detachment but he seems to yearn for something more intimate. If this town is just an apple," he tells himself, "Then let me take a bite."

Jazz legend Miles Davis covered the song for his 1985 album You're Under Arrest; it has also been sampled or covered by numerous others including Boyz II Men, Ne-Yo, and SWV. "Human Nature" was the last song included on Thriller, replacing "Carousel."



Liberian Girl -- (from Bad)

Once Jackson has successfully sped the listener out of society's world of control, discrimination, hypocrisy and limitations [in "Speed Demon"], we are suddenly transported into the faraway, primal jungles of Africa. The juxtaposition is striking (and quite bold and artistic for an album accused of being commercially calculated). The sounds shift from mechanical to natural as the noises of engines dissolve into the distant cries of birds and animals. For Jackson, this imagined Africa seems to represent a purer, simpler, richer world. It is as if he is returning to the birthplace of music's origins to explore what it can teach us, to recover some essence that has been lost. In this way, "Liberian Girl" seems to be as much a love song to Africa and what it signifies as it is to any one woman.

The song begins with the beautiful Swahili intro (spoken by Letta Mbulu), "Naku penda piya, naku taka piya--mpenziwe (which translates: "I love you too, I want you too--my love). The lush arrangements, including deep drum sounds and exotic instruments, beautifully support Jackson's passionate, yearning vocals, which are arguably his best since "Human Nature." Indeed, like "Human Nature" on Thriller (and "I Can't Help It" from Off the Wall) "Liberian Girl" is the hidden gem on Bad, often overlooked on an album of numerous well-known hits. The song is yet another "dream capsule," a cinematic fantasy in which Jackson transports the listener to a vivid paradise of possibility.



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NastradumasKid said:


falloff He reminds me of someone..... hmmm




I will stretch it and say he reminds me of Andre Benjamin with the various plaids biggrin. I don't know who the brother is on the album cover, I better go look him up or ask my pops. lol
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Jackson Assets Draw the Gaze of Wall Street
July 2009

As the world sorts through the pieces of Michael Jackson’s life one month after his death, so, too, does Wall Street.

A handful of major financial firms have made inquiries into buying the Jackson estate’s 50 percent share of Sony/ATV Music Publishing, the company that controls most of the Beatles song catalog, according to people briefed on the matter. Among them are Colony Capital, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, Plainfield Asset Management and the media mogul Haim Saban, these people said.

Sony/ATV is by far the most valuable asset in Mr. Jackson’s estate, and his 50 percent stake could be worth as much a $500 million. Mr. Jackson bought the majority of the Beatles catalog in 1985 for $47.5 million, after an informal chat with Paul McCartney about the wisdom of buying song catalogs.

Since then, Sony/ATV — formed from a 1995 partnership with Sony — has bought up the rights to thousands of songs from artists, including Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Beck and Taylor Swift. In recent years, it made a big push into TV production, helping to balance out its radio business.

“Sony/ATV’s really started to gain greater value in recent years,” said Barry Massarsky, a music industry consultant who has done work for Sony/ATV and its rivals. “I’m very bullish on its prospects.”

John G. Branca, the entertainment lawyer who structured Mr. Jackson’s initial purchase of the Beatles catalog and is now one of two executors of his estate, declined to comment by e-mail, saying only that the Jackson stake in Sony/ATV “is not for sale.”

Mr. Branca and John McClain, a music executive, will make decisions about the estate, pending confirmation at an Aug. 3 court hearing in Los Angeles.

Still, that has not stopped financiers from approaching Jackson family members and Sony, people briefed on the discussions said. Some of these firms already have a connection to the Jackson family.

Colony, for instance, is a co-owner of the Neverland ranch, Mr. Jackson’s former home. The firm’s chairman and chief executive, Thomas J. Barrack Jr., has contacted representatives of the family, these people said. Plainfield, which lent money to Mijac, an entity that owns Mr. Jackson’s own songs as well as those from the likes of Sly and the Family Stone, has also contacted the family, these people said. (Mijac has an estimated worth of $50 million to $100 million and is likely to grow with the pickup in album sales since his death.)

Mr. Jackson nearly lost his stake in Sony/ATV — and his family’s fortune — in 2006. He was days away from filing for bankruptcy when Howard Stringer, the chief executive of Sony, dispatched his chief financial officer, Robert Wiesenthal, to Dubai to broker a last-minute lifeline for Mr. Jackson. Mr. Jackson was living in the emirate at the time and quickly spending cash.

“His finances were in complete shambles,” said Duross O’Bryan, a forensic accountant at the consulting firm AlixPartners who served as an expert witness at Mr. Jackson’s 2005 child molestation trial. “There were serious issues with regards to his ability to meet debt when it comes due.”

The deal, negotiated in Mr. Jackson’s suite at the Burj Al Arab hotel, saved the singer from bankruptcy. In return, Sony took greater operational control of Sony/ATV and received an option to buy half of Mr. Jackson’s share.

Despite earning hundreds of millions of dollars over his lifetime, Mr. Jackson was well known for having a mountain of debt, born of expensive indulgences like the sprawling Neverland estate, costly music and tour productions and art and antiques buying sprees. The estate still carries $400 million to $500 million in debt. Barclays holds about $300 million of debt against the Jackson estate’s stake in Sony/ATV.

It remains possible that Sony could seek to use its option, leaving the Jackson family with a 25 percent stake in the business. Some of the private equity firms have proposed teaming with Sony to buy the remaining stake from the family, these people said.

A spokeswoman for Sony said the company was not interested in selling its stake. Representatives for Colony, K.K.R. and Mr. Saban declined to comment. A representative for Plainfield could not be reached for comment.

Speculation about the Jackson stake in Sony/ATV swirled at the Allen & Company retreat for media moguls in Sun Valley this month. Several attendees said Mr. Stringer had fielded inquiries into the possibility over dinner. Mr. Saban made an informal inquiry then, these people said.

The stake is likely to continue to grow in value, and some members of the Jackson family have pondered the merits of selling. Still others have proposed eventually cobbling together a consortium to buy out Sony’s share in the publisher.

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Who gives a flying fuck about Rupert Everett, I can't even think of a movie he's been in recently.

He's just using MJ's name to get some headlines.


Exactly.He's just a washed-up "actor" that nobody cares about.A total has-been who is using MJ's death to get back into the headlines.Who the fuck cares about his opinions? He's a nobody!!
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Michael obviously didn't want her...lol

Only for the 2 kids and then the marriage was over.

He obviously only wanted the kids and then she got packing.

THAT is y he went the surrogate route with Blanket, so he don't have to deal with Ex-wife/baby mama mess


Exactly. lol

I remember Mike giving two version on who Blanket´s mother is. In Bashit interview, at first he said it was someone he had a relationship with and that they agreed that they would never revela their identity because she dosn´t want to be famous and later on he said that he used a surrogate. I wouldn´t automatically rule the first option out because Mike just loved to keep his love and private life in the closet. Remember, we found out he married Lisa few months after the wedding. Not even their family knew. We found out about Debbie when she was several months pregnant. We found out about Blanket only when he dangled him off that balcony and at that time he could have already been about a year old. Yeah, there were rumours he might have had another child, but it´s still unbelievable that he kept it secret for such a long time.
Now, I may sound again like a fanatic trying to defend their idol at every cost, but I once read that you can tell that someone´s lying because they do not look you in the eye, touch their face somehow (as if to hide their mouth cause they are lying etc). Now watch again the interview and let´s see WHEN did he do those things. I can tell you that when he spoke about having Blanket with his ex-girlfriend, he looked Bashir straight into eyes. When he spoke about using surrogate, both of the above mentioned signs of lying appeared. So I am not saying anything, but I just would not rule out this possibility completely.


As for the articles, "news" posted. Unbelievable. I don´t wanna even read them.
As for Ruppert, damn, I just saw him in one film and always thought he would be a nice person...well...
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Michael Jackson: Why The Weirdness WAS The Greatness
July 2009

For decades, there have been two Michael Jacksons: the whirling-dervish pop genius and the mysterious, childlike, obsessive, tormented, at times freakish private soul.

In the weeks since he died, both dimensions of Michael -- the artist and the man -- have been paraded and discussed to an exhaustive degree. You could argue that each side has been raised to the level of mythology. Yet what isn't so often talked about is the inseverable connection between the two. From the outset of Michael Jackson's career, his extreme and heightened distance from the "normal" world has been one of the cornerstones of his art. Below are some of the ways that Michael’s "weirdness" was, in fact, always right at the soul of his musical and cultural power.

The Young Michael’s Vocal Phrasings

At the memorial service last Tuesday, Smokey Robinson, recalling his reaction to the first time he heard the 10-year-old Michael sing a version of "Who's Lovin' You" that outdid Smokey’s, acknowledged the dizzyingly precocious, almost nature-defying quality of Michael's ability to sing lyrics rooted in the experience of adulthood and to interpret those lyrics exactly as an adult would sing them. For me, the line that has always made the prepubescent Michael sound most bizarrely mature comes in "I Want You Back," when he sings: "Oh, darlin’, I was blind to let you go!"

He delivers those last four words like a wise old soul-sister diva tempering her ardor with worldly grace. The question Smokey Robinson raised, and didn’t quite answer, is: How did the young Michael do it? Did he feel those feelings? I would say that he did and he didn’t -- that what his boy-virtuoso vocal-emotional mimicry expressed was a personality so empathic that it was as if he could consume, through art, other people’s experiences, and therefore felt no need to live those experiences himself. In that sense, Jackson’s "childlike" nature emerged out of the paradox that he didn't have to grow up because he was always, in his imagination, a super-adult.


Singing to Strange Love Objects, Part I

Michael first declared his independence from his brothers with his early solo albums, the second of which was Ben (1972), the title song of which was a melancholy love ballad...sung to a rat. Whoever came up with the masterstroke concept of getting the teenage Michael, with his yearning, crystalline soprano, to croon the theme song of the sequel to Willard was on to something profound: The song testified to Michael’s angelic quality (who but an angel could love a rat?), but it also hinted, years ahead of time, at his dark side -- his attraction to monsters, and the loneliness that would make the biggest superstar in the world feel too isolated and lost to be loved by anyone human. Twenty years later, Michael did another movie theme song -- “Will You Be There,” his mash note to the killer whale of Free Willy -- and though the gorgeous, gospel-inflected number is heavenly to listen to, the underlying Michael message remains the same: animals are glorious, far more so than people.

Why the Plastic Surgery Mattered, Part I

Before he went off the deep end of facial reconstruction, carving away at the features God gave him as if they were marble (or Silly Putty) and he was his own Michelangelo, Jackson’s resculpting of his facial image was an essential dynamic of his pop magic.

Amid all the standard psychosexual/racial analysis of how he wanted to be white, look like Diana Ross, etc., much has been made of how, and why, Michael loathed his adolescent face: the acne, the prominent nose that brought out a suggestion of the father he despised. In the 2003 Martin Bashir TV special, Michael himself recalls a painful incident in which a fan in the mid-'70s came up to the Jacksons looking for "little Michael," and when she saw what little Michael had grown up into, she went "Ugh!"

The key to Michael’s first foray into plastic surgery, cued to the release of Off the Wall (1979), is that it tapered his face into a grown-up facsimile of the little Michael that he had lost. In doing so, he launched, in effect, his second childhood. I think that, as much as the hooks and the burbling disco-soul rhythms, is what accounts for the incandescent joy that radiates out of him in the great videos from that album: “Rock With You” and, especially, “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough.”

In those charmingly low-tech early music vids, he’s finally on his own, trying out a first-draft version of his electro-marionette dance moves, and yes, the music is divine, but more than anything else, it is that face -- transformed and transfigured -- that liberates Michael to look more relaxed and real, more purely blissed-out in his art than he ever looked before or since.

The Real Meaning of "Billie Jean"

From that opening up/down drum beat and snaky bass walk, it is, and always will be, Michael’s greatest song -- his signature statement in the form of a demonic dance-floor epiphany.

His legendary performance of it on the 1983 Motown 25th Anniversary special was the moment he moonwalked from superstar into cosmic Elvis/Beatles strato-stardom. Yet what is it about "Billie Jean" that makes it Michael’s anthem of anthems? It’s the angry power of the song’s hidden message. On the surface, Michael tells a woman who has accused him of fathering her child that he did no such thing: “The kid is not my son.” But what the fury of his performance tells you is that he’s not just rejecting the scandal, the false accusation -- he's rejecting the possibility of such an accusation. He's spitting on the temptation of sexuality itself.
The line "Billie Jean is not my lover!" is Michael's defiant declaration that he, and he alone, will not be lured into a world of sin. And that’s the weird, even scary Michael: the man-child who could transform sexual energy into volcanic dance theater, but who, in life, viewed the erotic as a debasement (or maybe as something that needed to be done in the basement).

Why the Plastic Surgery Mattered, Part II


In a special all-Michael edition of People magazine that came out near the end of 1984 (just after the Victory tour), the pop culture writer Albert Goldman contributed an essay that remains the single greatest analysis of Michael Jackson ever written. In it, he described the deep meaning of what Michael did to his face in order to launch, and enter, the Thriller era. Goldman hailed Jackson’s "Pygmalion operation" as "a stroke of genius" that transformed a "face you could have found in any high school yearbook" into that of a "prince who is also a swami, with those haunting eyes that appear to be seeing things that we can’t see." Goldman went on: "To have fashioned this extraordinary face out of such ordinary materials is the sign of an artist who is guided by a vision. What Michael Jackson got from his audacious act of self-authorship was a face that matched his soul and thus enabled him to become all soul."

By the late '80s, of course, Jackson’s obsession with plastic surgery had become an addiction, with the star perpetually "evolving" as he made his face sleeker, lighter, cleftier, pointier, girlier… But before all that, at the height of Michael-mania (1983-1985), Jackson used his doe-eyed spectral model’s visage in a unique and heightened way: At a time when masculinity in rock was becoming brawnier, cruder, and ever more cliché, Michael fashioned himself into an androgynous beauty mask so that off stage he seemed not masculine at all, but in performance, on stage or in his videos, that delicacy gave way to a seething, snarling fury (just think of his scowling fever in "Beat It") that could express more potent aggression than that of the most "dangerous" rockers. That, more than anything, was the real leap from Off the Wall to Thriller: the outing, and stylized presentation of, Michael Jackson’s inner wrath.

His Identification With Ghouls

In the famous video for "Thriller," Michael showcased his special kinship with horror movies in the form of a corny, neo-1950s, back-to-the-future letter-sweater fantasy of beasts run wild. With Jackson himself cast as a teenage werewolf who’s "not like other guys," the 14-minute John Landis super-production had a deliberate -- and, to me, instantly dated – faux-Lucas/Spielberg cardboard “innocence.” (It was also the beginning of Jackson’s over-reliance on Broadway-style choreography, which tended to diminish the zigzag singularity of his own live-wire moves.) Yet one aspect of the "Thriller" video is far more haunting now than it was then: When Michael, in living-dead makeup, leads a chorus line of zombies, he seems to be anticipating, by 15 years, the ghostly monsterization of his own face. At the time, it seemed hip that he could play at being a ghoul. The video now looks like a dry run for the way he’d gradually turn himself into one.

The Dark Glory of "Smooth Criminal


" When Bad was released in 1987, it contained a song that was hailed as the "sequel" to "Billie Jean." Unfortunately, that song was the lugubrious, sluggish, and schematic "Dirty Diana," one of the worst tracks of Jackson’s career. Bad, however, really did contain the sequel to "Billie Jean," and it’s a song that remains, after more than 20 years, Michael’s single most under-celebrated masterpiece: the gorgeously, ominously intoxicating "Smooth Criminal." One listen to its two-step heartbeat, its percolating syncopated bass line, and you can hear that it’s "Billie Jean" shot through with more anxiety. What’s finally haunting about "Smooth Criminal," though, is the way that its lyrics offer a veiled, almost coded response to the earlier song’s puritanical outrage.

Singing in a percussive stutter, so that he sounds not just stormy but possessed, Michael unfurls fragmentary images of a woman’s bloody murder: He came in through the window, he left bloodstains on the carpet; "she was struck down, it was her doom;" and, finally, the singer’s soaring plea for the victim ("Annie are you okay, will you tell us, that you’re okay?"). A song of intense violence…and compassion. But if you watch its brilliant long-form video, in which Michael, appearing as a natty white-suited period gangster, does some of his most slashingly visionary dance moves, a deeper meaning emerges. It’s that Michael, the song’s agonized and divided conscience, isn’t just crying with compassion -- he’s also the criminal. “Smooth Criminal” mourns the death of Annie, but at the same time the song is a violent rock & roll fantasia in which the innocent Annie must die to atone for Billie Jean’s sin. It’s a song that glistens like a dagger in the night, because it reflects the ecstatic anger in Michael Jackson’s soul.

Singing to Strange Love Objects, Part II

Who did Michael Jackson love? There’s an eerie abstraction to nearly every one of his romantic songs (Who’s out of his life? Who’s the pretty young thing?), because in reality he always seemed isolated, never more so than behind the facade of his very public marriages. To me, the last transcendently great song he ever recorded -- it’s off of HIStory (1995) -- is "You Are Not Alone," a rapturous melancholy ballad that, if you listen to it closely, takes on the quality of a confession. (The song was written by -- don’t laugh -- R. Kelly.) Michael is singing to a lover who, for reasons that are never explained, was forced to part from him. "Did you have to go," he asks, "and leave my world so cold?" But even in his heartbreak, a voice whispers in Michael’s ear and says:

You are not alone, I am here with you
Though you’re far away, I am here to stay.


That voice is Michael talking to himself, soothing his loneliness. Yet as his own voice rises, slowly and majestically, building toward a tremulous croon that is shockingly passionate even for Michael (in the video, he sings it with his shirt wide open -- as close as he ever got to naked in a performance), it’s also clear that he’s addressing the mystery lover, saying: You are not alone. The song takes on a delicately omniscient, almost soft-stalker vibe. But who is Michael Jackson really singing to? Who is it that left him alone, and that he’ll always be bonded to in his heart? "You Are Not Alone" is Michael’s haunting testament to a love denied, and maybe even forbidden, by fate. It’s a song about why Michael Jackson could never find love on this earth.


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Some of these "commemorative analyses" are just mostly bad.
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"Up and down drum beat", "Will You Be There" being about animals etc. uhm, okay.


exclaim Will You Be There wasn't about no animals either, it was about trying to find inner peace. It was basically a gospel song. It just HAPPENED that MJ allowed the song to be on "Free Willy" (and it was ALREADY on "Dangerous"). That's all. SWV's remix of "Right Here" ft. the "Human Nature" sample was in the "Free Willy" soundtrack too.
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omg love love love love love love love love love love
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1970 posted 07/26/09 11:47am

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Timmy84 said:



Exactly. lol

I remember Mike giving two version on who Blanket´s mother is. In Bashit interview, at first he said it was someone he had a relationship with and that they agreed that they would never revela their identity because she dosn´t want to be famous and later on he said that he used a surrogate. I wouldn´t automatically rule the first option out because Mike just loved to keep his love and private life in the closet. Remember, we found out he married Lisa few months after the wedding. Not even their family knew. We found out about Debbie when she was several months pregnant. We found out about Blanket only when he dangled him off that balcony and at that time he could have already been about a year old. Yeah, there were rumours he might have had another child, but it´s still unbelievable that he kept it secret for such a long time.
Now, I may sound again like a fanatic trying to defend their idol at every cost, but I once read that you can tell that someone´s lying because they do not look you in the eye, touch their face somehow (as if to hide their mouth cause they are lying etc). Now watch again the interview and let´s see WHEN did he do those things. I can tell you that when he spoke about having Blanket with his ex-girlfriend, he looked Bashir straight into eyes. When he spoke about using surrogate, both of the above mentioned signs of lying appeared. So I am not saying anything, but I just would not rule out this possibility completely.


As for the articles, "news" posted. Unbelievable. I don´t wanna even read them.
As for Ruppert, damn, I just saw him in one film and always thought he would be a nice person...well...


Well that's how Michael played shit, there's always two different stories about what he was doing. We may never ever know how Blanket came to be. It's too difficult (and not to mention evading) to figure out.
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dag said:


I remember Mike giving two version on who Blanket´s mother is. In Bashit interview, at first he said it was someone he had a relationship with and that they agreed that they would never revela their identity because she dosn´t want to be famous and later on he said that he used a surrogate. I wouldn´t automatically rule the first option out because Mike just loved to keep his love and private life in the closet. Remember, we found out he married Lisa few months after the wedding. Not even their family knew. We found out about Debbie when she was several months pregnant. We found out about Blanket only when he dangled him off that balcony and at that time he could have already been about a year old. Yeah, there were rumours he might have had another child, but it´s still unbelievable that he kept it secret for such a long time.
Now, I may sound again like a fanatic trying to defend their idol at every cost, but I once read that you can tell that someone´s lying because they do not look you in the eye, touch their face somehow (as if to hide their mouth cause they are lying etc). Now watch again the interview and let´s see WHEN did he do those things. I can tell you that when he spoke about having Blanket with his ex-girlfriend, he looked Bashir straight into eyes. When he spoke about using surrogate, both of the above mentioned signs of lying appeared. So I am not saying anything, but I just would not rule out this possibility completely.


As for the articles, "news" posted. Unbelievable. I don´t wanna even read them.
As for Ruppert, damn, I just saw him in one film and always thought he would be a nice person...well...


Well that's how Michael played shit, there's always two different stories about what he was doing. We may never ever know how Blanket came to be. It's too difficult (and not to mention evading) to figure out.

Yeah, I know. But people are just forgetting about the first story and talking only about Mike using a surrogate for Blanket as if it was a fact only because they cannot imagine him just having sex with women. But I think any version could be true. You never know with thim.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Timmy84 said:



Well that's how Michael played shit, there's always two different stories about what he was doing. We may never ever know how Blanket came to be. It's too difficult (and not to mention evading) to figure out.

Yeah, I know. But people are just forgetting about the first story and talking only about Mike using a surrogate for Blanket as if it was a fact only because they cannot imagine him just having sex with women. But I think any version could be true. You never know with thim.


I guess it's just me but I hate it when people give you two different stories to account for. Why not just say one story and stick with it? confused
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I still think Blanket and Omer Bhatti are brothers, and have the same mother.

That sort of creates the whole family connection that Omer has with the rest of the Jackson family, and why he's also continues to be very close to Michael in a way not comparable to all the other children Michael has cared for in the past.
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Reply #1974 posted 07/26/09 12:10pm

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I still think Blanket and Omer Bhatti are brothers, and have the same mother.

That sort of creates the whole family connection that Omer has with the rest of the Jackson family, and why he's also continues to be very close to Michael in a way not comparable to all the other children Michael has cared for in the past.
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Omer according to reports has denied MJ is his biological father. hmmm
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Reply #1975 posted 07/26/09 12:11pm

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Timmy84 said:

suga10 said:

I still think Blanket and Omer Bhatti are brothers, and have the same mother.

That sort of creates the whole family connection that Omer has with the rest of the Jackson family, and why he's also continues to be very close to Michael in a way not comparable to all the other children Michael has cared for in the past.
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Omer according to reports has denied MJ is his biological father. hmmm


Who knows.....
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Reply #1976 posted 07/26/09 12:13pm

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I still think Blanket and Omer Bhatti are brothers, and have the same mother.

That sort of creates the whole family connection that Omer has with the rest of the Jackson family, and why he's also continues to be very close to Michael in a way not comparable to all the other children Michael has cared for in the past.
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I agree with you. Ive been saying this all along. nod
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dag said:


Yeah, I know. But people are just forgetting about the first story and talking only about Mike using a surrogate for Blanket as if it was a fact only because they cannot imagine him just having sex with women. But I think any version could be true. You never know with thim.


I guess it's just me but I hate it when people give you two different stories to account for. Why not just say one story and stick with it? confused

It´s not just you. I hate it too. I don´t know why he changed it. Well, if the ex-girlfriend version is true, than maybe in order to avoid journalist to get into it more, he decided to change it completely to protect her and he knew that everyone would buy the surrogate mother story because he knows that people can´t see him being romantic with women.
If the surrogate is true, than maybe he wanted to look like a man at first and then decided to tell the truth, but his body-language is still puzzling to me and also Mike never cared to portay this ladies lover image, so why bother at that moment. That is why I tend to see the first version more believable or maybe I just want the first version to be true cause I would like it better to see Mike having a relationship with a woman. I don´t know. But anyway, I think either version could be true so let´s not forget it.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1978 posted 07/26/09 12:15pm

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I've never seen this part of the Primetime 95 interview, only the part he beatboxes

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Reply #1979 posted 07/26/09 12:19pm

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Timmy84 said:



I guess it's just me but I hate it when people give you two different stories to account for. Why not just say one story and stick with it? confused

It´s not just you. I hate it too. I don´t know why he changed it. Well, if the ex-girlfriend version is true, than maybe in order to avoid journalist to get into it more, he decided to change it completely to protect her and he knew that everyone would buy the surrogate mother story because he knows that people can´t see him being romantic with women.
If the surrogate is true, than maybe he wanted to look like a man at first and then decided to tell the truth, but his body-language is still puzzling to me and also Mike never cared to portay this ladies lover image, so why bother at that moment. That is why I tend to see the first version more believable or maybe I just want the first version to be true cause I would like it better to see Mike having a relationship with a woman. I don´t know. But anyway, I think either version could be true so let´s not forget it.


The thing about this ex-girlfriend rumor that's weird is that Blanket's mother has not come forth once at all even after Michael has passed away. You would think that a mother who gave birth to her child would come forth to claim custody of the child. That's why I'm more inclined to believe the whole surrogate story, that the mother has given away the rights to the child, and therefore Michael's is the child's primary caretaker and father.
[Edited 7/26/09 12:24pm]
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