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Reply #150 posted 07/18/09 7:41pm

Riverpoet31

"Pre-vitiligo and post vitiligo"...

WTF

I have known 'black' people who suffered from vitiligo, and they simply just don't turn white entirely in a snap.

Okay, Michael might have had that skin disease... but its a disease that results in several white spots on a 90 percent 'black' body, not an entire white body.

Its obvious MJ bleached his entire body white, Vitiligo or not.
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Reply #151 posted 07/18/09 7:44pm

RONNYRON

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Timmy84 said:



RE: "BAD" - Don't take away that the album is good. But "Off the Wall" is more timeless to me.




Agreed.
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Reply #152 posted 07/18/09 8:02pm

Timmy84

RONNYRON said:

Timmy84 said:



LOL, you had me going " whofarted " for a minute. lol Thanks for clearing that up. Well I can see where you'll find snares in "Bad".

I think new jack swing is more dated than disco tho.



DISCO has had, and will always have, a longer lifespan than NJS, people still have retro/disco dress up parties, and you know "BLAME IT ON THE BOOGIE" and "DON'T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH" are staples.

NEW JACK SWING had a shorter life, ain't too many retro new jack parties that I know of, it was cool in it's day, but just didn't have the worldwide cultural impact that DISCO had.

So in that prognosis, and IMHO - "OFF THE WALL" will be 'more' remembered than "DANGEROUS"... let the debating begin.


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Reply #153 posted 07/18/09 8:09pm

Cinnie

I'd WAY rather go to a New Jack Swing party lol
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Reply #154 posted 07/18/09 8:27pm

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Cinnie said:

I'd WAY rather go to a New Jack Swing party lol



I love New Jack Swing.....why did it have to end????!!!! bawl
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Reply #155 posted 07/18/09 8:27pm

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whatsgoingon said:

vainandy said:



"Off The Wall" is way too fast and funky for most of the kids today. "Invincible" (the only Michael Jackson album I never bought) would be more their speed. They just didn't buy it while he was alive because it was Michael Jackson that made it.

I wouldn't expect the kids with the rubbish they listen to today would get something as wonderful as OFF The Wall. The less funk and the less soul the more they prefer it.



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Reply #156 posted 07/18/09 8:29pm

Timmy84

Cinnie said:

I'd WAY rather go to a New Jack Swing party lol


How about techno? lol
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Reply #157 posted 07/18/09 9:11pm

Cinnie

Timmy84 said:

Cinnie said:

I'd WAY rather go to a New Jack Swing party lol


How about techno? lol


mid-80s techno, hell yeah
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Reply #158 posted 07/18/09 9:11pm

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Cinnie said:

I'd WAY rather go to a New Jack Swing party lol

highfive Me too, and I love disco! nod
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Reply #159 posted 07/18/09 10:51pm

Timmy84

Cinnie said:

Timmy84 said:



How about techno? lol


mid-80s techno, hell yeah


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Reply #160 posted 07/19/09 1:43pm

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Last time I checked, be it depigmentation from vitiligo, or albinism, Michael Jackson was born and died a Black man.
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Reply #161 posted 07/20/09 8:27am

midnightmover

AlexdeParis said:[quote]

midnightmover said:


You seem to have a problem with applying your own experiences to everyone else. First of all, CDs became progressively more popular through the '80s and '90s. Second, there was extra incentive to buy Bad on CD because of the bonus track. You're not honestly arguing against the idea that a higher percentage of CDs of Bad and Dangerous were sold over Off the Wall and Thriller, are you?

I think the point is that far more copies of Bad were sold on cassette and vinyl than CD. Even with Dangerous the majority of copies would have been sold in either one of those formats. Therefore, there should be much more people getting those albums now than there are. He has 9 albums in the Top 40, but neither of those two crucial albums are even in the Top 100. Let me repeat, neither of them are even in the Top 100! eek
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Reply #162 posted 07/20/09 8:29am

midnightmover

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midnightmover said:


Yeah, for me one of the last great MJ songs was "Ghosts", but you won't find it on many compilations. confused



Man, I love "Why You Wanna Trip On Me" and I don't think I've seen it on any greatest hits compilations, but, of course, I have the album, so have never really felt the need to waste my time searching for it on a greatest hits package, but that's just me. nod

We have to part company there. The chorus was decent on WYWTOM, but the verses to me were kind of mediocre. Just my opinion. cool
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Reply #163 posted 07/20/09 8:40am

midnightmover

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midnightmover said:


Yeah, for me one of the last great MJ songs was "Ghosts", but you won't find it on many compilations. confused


because the song is crap.

Okay, I just listened to it again for the first time in years. The chorus is great. Verses not so good, but okay. Overall, it's not great, but much better than "crap".
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Reply #164 posted 07/20/09 8:46am

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midnightmover said:


I have to say I have mixed feelings about OTW (as I do about most MJ albums). I love the innocence of it, and how brilliantly produced it is. It seems to be his most RESPECTED album because it's not trying too hard like the others, but somehow I've never really loved it. I can't quite explain why.

Because it an ok album, not a great one. Reminds me of 'Prince' and I prefer the 'Prince' album over 'Off The Wall.'
'Off the Wall' at the time was huge though for a black male artist.
Other than Michael Jackson, Prince and Lionel Richie, I can't think of any other solo black male artists who've 10+ million copies of an album.

highfive Yes! The "Prince" album is a much more enjoyable listen to me than "Off The Wall". And Prince did the whole thing by himself as well! eek

"When We're Dancing Close And Slow" is awesome! Definitely one of P's most underrated songs.
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Reply #165 posted 07/20/09 9:15am

dirtyman2005

Riverpoet31 said:

"Pre-vitiligo and post vitiligo"...

WTF

I have known 'black' people who suffered from vitiligo, and they simply just don't turn white entirely in a snap.

Okay, Michael might have had that skin disease... but its a disease that results in several white spots on a 90 percent 'black' body, not an entire white body.

Its obvious MJ bleached his entire body white, Vitiligo or not.


you dumb fuck.
do you want a picture of his cock to satisfy your pathetic urges?
fucking dumb ass.

they showed the pictures on the tv for fucks sake.
the doctor confirmed it himself he had vitiligo.

don't be so stupid.
"riverpoet"?

more like "dumbfuckpoet".

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Reply #166 posted 07/20/09 5:22pm

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midnightmover said:

AlexdeParis said:


You seem to have a problem with applying your own experiences to everyone else. First of all, CDs became progressively more popular through the '80s and '90s. Second, there was extra incentive to buy Bad on CD because of the bonus track. You're not honestly arguing against the idea that a higher percentage of CDs of Bad and Dangerous were sold over Off the Wall and Thriller, are you?

I think the point is that far more copies of Bad were sold on cassette and vinyl than CD. Even with Dangerous the majority of copies would have been sold in either one of those formats. Therefore, there should be much more people getting those albums now than there are. He has 9 albums in the Top 40, but neither of those two crucial albums are even in the Top 100. Let me repeat, neither of them are even in the Top 100! eek

If you're talking about the UK, "Bad", "Dangerous" and "Invincible" are not charting there because they are budget albums. Albums that have a lower price listing than £3 from label to retail. Those albums are #1-3 on the Budget chart.
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Reply #167 posted 07/20/09 5:35pm

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I think they'll get to his later (White MJ rolleyes ) work over time. Right now everyone is on a nostalgia trip with his music...they want to hear the stuff they grew up with.
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Reply #168 posted 07/20/09 5:43pm

Timmy84

Nikademus said:

I think they'll get to his later (White MJ rolleyes ) work over time. Right now everyone is on a nostalgia trip with his music...they want to hear the stuff they grew up with.


lol Yeah there's no such thing as "white MJ".

A better way is saying:

Do you like pre-Thriller MJ or post-Thriller MJ. wink
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Reply #169 posted 07/20/09 5:50pm

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asaint said:

midnightmover said:


I think the point is that far more copies of Bad were sold on cassette and vinyl than CD. Even with Dangerous the majority of copies would have been sold in either one of those formats. Therefore, there should be much more people getting those albums now than there are. He has 9 albums in the Top 40, but neither of those two crucial albums are even in the Top 100. Let me repeat, neither of them are even in the Top 100! eek

If you're talking about the UK, "Bad", "Dangerous" and "Invincible" are not charting there because they are budget albums. Albums that have a lower price listing than £3 from label to retail. Those albums are #1-3 on the Budget chart.

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Reply #170 posted 07/20/09 5:52pm

Timmy84

asaint said:

midnightmover said:


I think the point is that far more copies of Bad were sold on cassette and vinyl than CD. Even with Dangerous the majority of copies would have been sold in either one of those formats. Therefore, there should be much more people getting those albums now than there are. He has 9 albums in the Top 40, but neither of those two crucial albums are even in the Top 100. Let me repeat, neither of them are even in the Top 100! eek

If you're talking about the UK, "Bad", "Dangerous" and "Invincible" are not charting there because they are budget albums. Albums that have a lower price listing than £3 from label to retail. Those albums are #1-3 on the Budget chart.
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Yeah I figure they were budgeted issues.
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Reply #171 posted 07/20/09 6:00pm

Imago

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"It doesn't matter if you're black or white".

It does matter, however, if you put out good music. Maybe people think Mike's music wasn't as strong as it was during Off the Wall, Thriller and even Bad.



Out of pure and utter curiosity this last week, I've been listening to MJ. I wanted to see why folks world wide found him to still be so iconic despite the fact that it's been years since he's released anything worth listening to.

Even the Thais in Bangkok all know about Micheal Jackson, and some still listen to his music. But they're listening to Thriller and Bad--not anything after that.
So there's something that sticks with them about the music.


I listened to everything from off-the-wall to his latest releases (Thriller was my favorite because it was the album that made me a fan during the brief stint in the 80s when I was a fan).

Hearing the music again, and actually paying attention to it made me realize that MJ's music, though completely radical at that time (R&B/Rock/dance combos), is pretty standard fair today. In Off-the-wall and Thriller he croons with the best of them, harmonizing with a very very nice if strangely androgynous voice.

But the songs are meant to be sung along to--not to be studied and dissected like many of Prince's better works (or works by artists I most admire). So, it was very difficult for me to hold interest after playing his stuff for awhile. I found myself wanting desperately to skip tracks on all the albums.

So the only thing I have to go by is this 'sing along' impulse the songs and albums inspire, and Thriller and Off-the-wall outdo all the new material.

So yeah--black MJ, at least to me, is better than white MJ.



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Reply #172 posted 07/20/09 6:10pm

NastradumasKid

Timmy84 said:

Nikademus said:

I think they'll get to his later (White MJ rolleyes ) work over time. Right now everyone is on a nostalgia trip with his music...they want to hear the stuff they grew up with.


lol Yeah there's no such thing as "white MJ".

A better way is saying:

Do you like pre-Thriller MJ or post-Thriller MJ. wink

yeah, not I prefer the "High Yella" MJ to the "Black" MJ. God people are retarded lol .
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Reply #173 posted 07/20/09 6:11pm

Timmy84

NastradumasKid said:

Timmy84 said:



lol Yeah there's no such thing as "white MJ".

A better way is saying:

Do you like pre-Thriller MJ or post-Thriller MJ. wink

yeah, not I prefer the "High Yella" MJ to the "Black" MJ. God people are retarded lol .


Exactly. falloff
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Reply #174 posted 07/20/09 6:35pm

midnightmover

Timmy84 said:

NastradumasKid said:


yeah, not I prefer the "High Yella" MJ to the "Black" MJ. God people are retarded lol .


Exactly. falloff

God, you guys need to get a sense of humour. rolleyes
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Reply #175 posted 07/20/09 6:37pm

NastradumasKid

midnightmover said:

Timmy84 said:



Exactly. falloff

God, you guys need to get a sense of humour. rolleyes



rolleyes Dude, we have a sense a humor it's just beyond your fucking level and if you want to start something then bring it bringiton
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Reply #176 posted 07/20/09 6:40pm

Timmy84

Well we have different senses of humor then. lol
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Reply #177 posted 07/20/09 6:43pm

midnightmover

asaint said:

midnightmover said:


I think the point is that far more copies of Bad were sold on cassette and vinyl than CD. Even with Dangerous the majority of copies would have been sold in either one of those formats. Therefore, there should be much more people getting those albums now than there are. He has 9 albums in the Top 40, but neither of those two crucial albums are even in the Top 100. Let me repeat, neither of them are even in the Top 100! eek

If you're talking about the UK, "Bad", "Dangerous" and "Invincible" are not charting there because they are budget albums. Albums that have a lower price listing than £3 from label to retail. Those albums are #1-3 on the Budget chart.
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I see. God, you really can't trust charts these days. It's like how they don't include compilations by various artists in the main charts anymore either because it would show up how they're outselling original albums.

So I assume white MJ is getting some love too. I'm still not seeing the posters though. lol

And funnily enough since I started this thread I've seen black girls on the street singing "Rock With You" and "Beat It", and seen a remix of "Rock With You" on a satellite music channel. The video was just the old one, but with the remix playing. It made me appreciate Michael's performance there for the first time. He looks a lot happier and "normal" then.
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Reply #178 posted 07/20/09 7:11pm

midnightmover

NastradumasKid said:

midnightmover said:


God, you guys need to get a sense of humour. rolleyes



rolleyes Dude, we have a sense a humor it's just beyond your fucking level and if you want to start something then bring it bringiton
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Yeah, but subtle humour obviously goes under you radar completely.

Americans.... rolleyes lol
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Reply #179 posted 07/21/09 2:35pm

Riverpoet31

you dumb fuck.
do you want a picture of his cock to satisfy your pathetic urges?
fucking dumb ass.

they showed the pictures on the tv for fucks sake.
the doctor confirmed it himself he had vitiligo.

don't be so stupid.
"riverpoet"?

more like "dumbfuckpoet".



Do you think you are making an argument here by namecalling?

As I said, Vitiligo doesnt make the entire skin of a person 'white'. Its a matter of spreaded spots.

I never said he didnt have virtiligo (which i doubt by the way), I only said his totally white face, chest, arms and hands show he has done a lot of bleeching of his skin.

If anyone is pathetic here its you: people like you defending shit like Michael is totally white now, because he has THIS skin disease, or he can't sing live anymore because he has THAT lung-disease. There is ALWAYS an easy (often misplaced) excuse by the likes of you, to keep portraying MJ as some semi-god you have created in your own mind.
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