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Reply #120 posted 07/18/09 7:13am

ernestsewell

AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:


'Off the Wall' at the time was huge though for a black male artist.
Other than Michael Jackson, Prince and Lionel Richie, I can't think of any other solo black male artists who've 10+ million copies of an album.

MC Hammer immediately comes to mind. Stevie Wonder may have as well. I know SITKOL is also diamond, but I don't know if that number is doubled.


Lionel Richie sold 10 million in the US with his Can't Slow Down album that had hit after hit after hit on it.

MC Hammer initially sold 10 million of Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em, and it's reached 18 million at this point, 18 years after its release.
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Reply #121 posted 07/18/09 8:58am

Timmy84

Hate to admit it but Usher's "Confessions" also did 10 mill, lol. lol

"Songs in the Key of Life" sold over 19 million copies worldwide last I heard, "Off the Wall" sold the same.
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Reply #122 posted 07/18/09 8:59am

Timmy84

AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:


'Off the Wall' at the time was huge though for a black male artist.
Other than Michael Jackson, Prince and Lionel Richie, I can't think of any other solo black male artists who've 10+ million copies of an album.

MC Hammer immediately comes to mind. Stevie Wonder may have as well. I know SITKOL is also diamond, but I don't know if that number is doubled.


It is. "Songs..." sold 5 million copies but because of the double album deal, that's why it's "Diamond" according to the RIAA.

Also let's also remember except for The Beatles, not too many white artists were doing the same thing. I know Boston had an album that sold about 19 mill, the Eagles', of course sold big. KISS, Peter Frampton but his was like six million, right?

In fact I don't recall no solo artist selling more than TWO MILLION copies of a single album prior to "Songs..." (unless I'm mistaken) and that was Elvis, Marvin and Stevie and probably Johnny Mathis.
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Reply #123 posted 07/18/09 9:03am

Timmy84

Oh and Elton John. lol
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Reply #124 posted 07/18/09 10:46am

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Reply #125 posted 07/18/09 12:08pm

SUPRMAN

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AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:


'Off the Wall' at the time was huge though for a black male artist.
Other than Michael Jackson, Prince and Lionel Richie, I can't think of any other solo black male artists who've 10+ million copies of an album.

MC Hammer immediately comes to mind. Stevie Wonder may have as well. I know SITKOL is also diamond, but I don't know if that number is doubled.


Good call. You named both that I'd missed. I know SITKOL was released before platinum and diamond awards so not sure how that was counted. Never in to Hammer, so that one got by me.
How could I have missed Whitney Houston?! But then she's not a male. lol


Lists from RIAA site showing current status holders of RIAA Certifications:
List of best-selling albums in the United States
List of best-selling music artists in the United States
[edit]Diamond sales

Diamond (10+ Million) Certified[5]
Artist Album Release date Certified sales
Eagles Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975) 1976 Feb 17 29 million
Michael Jackson Thriller 1982 Dec 01 28 million
Pink Floyd The Wall 1979 Nov 28 23 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin IV 1971 Nov 08 23 million
AC/DC Back in Black 1980 Jul 21 22 million
Garth Brooks Double Live 1998 Nov 17 21 million
Billy Joel Greatest Hits Volume I & Volume II 1985 Jun 28 21 million
Shania Twain Come on Over 1997 Nov 04 20 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1968 Nov 25 19 million
Fleetwood Mac Rumours 1977 Feb 04 19 million
Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction 1987 Jul 21 18 million
Boston Boston 1976 Aug 25 17 million
Whitney Houston The Bodyguard: Original Soundtrack Album 1992 Nov 17 17 million
Garth Brooks No Fences 1990 Aug 27 16 million
Hootie & the Blowfish Cracked Rear View 1994 Jul 05 16 million
Elton John Elton John's Greatest Hits 1974 Nov 04 16 million
Eagles Hotel California 1976 Nov 08 16 million
Alanis Morissette Jagged Little Pill 1995 Jun 13 16 million
Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti 1975 Mar 03 16 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1967 - 1970 1973 Apr 02 16 million
Bruce Springsteen Born in the U.S.A. 1984 Jun 01 15 million
Pink Floyd The Dark Side of the Moon 1973 Apr 17 15 million
Journey Greatest Hits 1988 Nov 11 15 million
The Bee Gees Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack) 1977 Nov 1 15 million
Santana Supernatural 1999 Jun 15 15 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1962 - 1966 1973 Apr 02 15 million
Britney Spears ...Baby One More Time 1999 Jan 12 14 million
Backstreet Boys Backstreet Boys 1997 Aug 21 14 million
Meat Loaf Bat Out of Hell 1977 Jan 30 14 million
Metallica Metallica 1991 Aug 02 14 million
Garth Brooks Ropin' The Wind 1991 Sep 02 14 million
Simon & Garfunkel Simon & Garfunkel's Greatest Hits 1972 Jun 20 14 million
Bruce Springsteen Bruce Springsteen & E Street Band Live 1975 - '85 1986 Nov 07 13 million
Steve Miller Band Greatest Hits 1974-1978 1978 Nov 15 13 million
Backstreet Boys Millennium 1999 May 18 13 million
Whitney Houston Whitney Houston 1985 Feb 21 13 million
Prince and The Revolution Purple Rain 1984 Jun 25 13 million
Pearl Jam Ten 1991 Aug 20 13 million
Kenny G Breathless 1992 Oct 20 12 million
multiple artists Forrest Gump 1994 Jun 17 12 million
The Rolling Stones Hot Rocks 1971 Dec 15 12 million
Def Leppard Hysteria 1987 Aug 03 12 million
Boyz II Men II 1994 Aug 23 12 million
Kenny Rogers Greatest Hits 1980 Oct 18 12 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin II 1969 Oct 22 12 million
Phil Collins No Jacket Required 1985 Apr 15 12 million
Jewel Pieces of You 1995 Feb 13 12 million
Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet 1986 Aug 18 12 million
Shania Twain The Woman In Me 1995 Feb 07 12 million
Matchbox Twenty Yourself or Someone Like You 1996 Sep 16 12 million
The Beatles Abbey Road 1969 Oct 01 12 million
Dixie Chicks Wide Open Spaces 1998 Jan 23 12 million
TLC CrazySexyCool 1994 Nov 15 11 million
Aerosmith Aerosmith's Greatest Hits 1980 Oct 19 11 million
Shania Twain Up! 2002 Nov 19 11 million
Kid Rock Devil Without a Cause 1998 Aug 04 11 million
multiple artists Dirty Dancing 1987 Aug 04 11 million
Eagles Eagles Greatest Hits Volume II 1982 Oct 22 11 million
Celine Dion Falling Into You 1996 Mar 02 11 million
Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy 1973 Mar 28 11 million
multiple artists Titanic 1997 Nov 07 11 million
OutKast Speakerboxxx/The Love Below 2003 Sep 23 11 million
The Beatles Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band 1967 Jun 02 11 million
'N Sync No Strings Attached 2000 Mar 21 11 million
James Taylor James Taylor's Greatest Hits 1976 Oct 29 11 million
Creed Human Clay 1999 Sep 28 11 million
Dixie Chicks Fly 1999 Aug 31 10 million
Garth Brooks Garth Brooks 1989 Apr 12 10 million
Patsy Cline Greatest Hits 1973 Feb 14 10 million
Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Greatest Hits 1993 Nov 16 10 million
Linkin Park Hybrid Theory 2000 Oct 24 10 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin 1990 Oct 08 10 million
Bob Marley and The Wailers Legend 1984 Jul 24 10 million
Celine Dion Let's Talk About Love 1997 Nov 05 10 million
George Michael Faith 1987 Oct 30 10 million
ZZ Top Eliminator 1983 Mar 23 10 million
The Beatles 1 2000 Nov 13 10 million
Van Halen 1984 1984 Jan 04 10 million
The Doobie Brothers Best of the Doobies 1976 Oct 29 10 million
Lionel Richie Can't Slow Down 1983 Oct 14 10 million
Norah Jones Come Away with Me 2002 Feb 26 10 million
Usher Confessions 2004 Mar 23 10 million
Mariah Carey Daydream 1995 Oct 03 10 million
Green Day Dookie 1994 Feb 01 10 million
The Notorious B.I.G Life After Death 1997 Mar 25 10 million
Madonna Like a Virgin 1984 Nov 12 10 million
Eric Clapton Unplugged 1992 Aug 25 10 million
No Doubt Tragic Kingdom 1995 Oct 06 10 million
Billy Joel The Stranger 1977 Jan 09 10 million
multiple artists The Lion King: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack 1994 Apr 27 10 million
U2 The Joshua Tree 1987 Mar 09 10 million
Madonna The Immaculate Collection 1990 Nov 13 10 million
Garth Brooks The Hits 1994 Dec 01 10 million
The Doors The Best of The Doors 1985 May 19 10 million
Carole King Tapestry 1971 Jan 30 10 million
Stevie Wonder Songs in the Key of Life 1976 Sep 28 10 million
Garth Brooks Sevens 1997 Nov 01 10 million
Def Leppard Pyromania 1983 Jan 20 10 million
MC Hammer Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em 1990 Feb 12 10 million
Britney Spears Oops!... I Did It Again 2000 May 16 10 million
Nirvana Nevermind 1991 Sep 24 10 million
'N Sync *NSYNC 1998 Mar 24 10 million
Mariah Carey Music Box 1993 Aug 31 10 million
Van Halen Van Halen 1978 Feb 10 10 million
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Reply #126 posted 07/18/09 12:11pm

Timmy84

You notice most of the big blockbuster-selling albums happened around the 1970s? Even when the Beatles were selling all those records, they were releasing double albums.

Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and the Eagles were among the first groups to sell more than ten million copies of single albums.
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Reply #127 posted 07/18/09 12:11pm

SUPRMAN

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ernestsewell said:

AlexdeParis said:


MC Hammer immediately comes to mind. Stevie Wonder may have as well. I know SITKOL is also diamond, but I don't know if that number is doubled.


Lionel Richie sold 10 million in the US with his Can't Slow Down album that had hit after hit after hit on it.

MC Hammer initially sold 10 million of Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em, and it's reached 18 million at this point, 18 years after its release.

I mentioned Lionel.
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Reply #128 posted 07/18/09 12:12pm

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Timmy84 said:

Hate to admit it but Usher's "Confessions" also did 10 mill, lol. lol

"Songs in the Key of Life" sold over 19 million copies worldwide last I heard, "Off the Wall" sold the same.

I wouldn't have put Usher in the same class . . . .
I don't own that one either . . .
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Reply #129 posted 07/18/09 12:16pm

Timmy84

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

Hate to admit it but Usher's "Confessions" also did 10 mill, lol. lol

"Songs in the Key of Life" sold over 19 million copies worldwide last I heard, "Off the Wall" sold the same.

I wouldn't have put Usher in the same class . . . .
I don't own that one either . . .


I know, lol. I was just mentioning him as one of those R&B artists who did 10 million, lol. I wouldn't put him in the class with Stevie & MJ either.
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Reply #130 posted 07/18/09 12:21pm

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Timmy84 said:

SUPRMAN said:


I wouldn't have put Usher in the same class . . . .
I don't own that one either . . .


I know, lol. I was just mentioning him as one of those R&B artists who did 10 million, lol. I wouldn't put him in the class with Stevie & MJ either.


Understood. I can't imagine what was on that album that generated 10+ million in sales.
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Reply #131 posted 07/18/09 12:45pm

ernestsewell

Cinnie said:



Ain't nobody wearing those clothes in 1998 (when he would have been 40, he was 42 in 2000.) That picture looks like Ray Parker Jr almost. Weird.
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Reply #132 posted 07/18/09 1:09pm

candy2277

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SUPRMAN said:

AlexdeParis said:


MC Hammer immediately comes to mind. Stevie Wonder may have as well. I know SITKOL is also diamond, but I don't know if that number is doubled.


Good call. You named both that I'd missed. I know SITKOL was released before platinum and diamond awards so not sure how that was counted. Never in to Hammer, so that one got by me.
How could I have missed Whitney Houston?! But then she's not a male. lol


Lists from RIAA site showing current status holders of RIAA Certifications:
List of best-selling albums in the United States
List of best-selling music artists in the United States
[edit]Diamond sales

Diamond (10+ Million) Certified[5]
Artist Album Release date Certified sales
Eagles Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975) 1976 Feb 17 29 million
Michael Jackson Thriller 1982 Dec 01 28 million
Pink Floyd The Wall 1979 Nov 28 23 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin IV 1971 Nov 08 23 million
AC/DC Back in Black 1980 Jul 21 22 million
Garth Brooks Double Live 1998 Nov 17 21 million
Billy Joel Greatest Hits Volume I & Volume II 1985 Jun 28 21 million
Shania Twain Come on Over 1997 Nov 04 20 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1968 Nov 25 19 million
Fleetwood Mac Rumours 1977 Feb 04 19 million
Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction 1987 Jul 21 18 million
Boston Boston 1976 Aug 25 17 million
Whitney Houston The Bodyguard: Original Soundtrack Album 1992 Nov 17 17 million
Garth Brooks No Fences 1990 Aug 27 16 million
Hootie & the Blowfish Cracked Rear View 1994 Jul 05 16 million
Elton John Elton John's Greatest Hits 1974 Nov 04 16 million
Eagles Hotel California 1976 Nov 08 16 million
Alanis Morissette Jagged Little Pill 1995 Jun 13 16 million
Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti 1975 Mar 03 16 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1967 - 1970 1973 Apr 02 16 million
Bruce Springsteen Born in the U.S.A. 1984 Jun 01 15 million
Pink Floyd The Dark Side of the Moon 1973 Apr 17 15 million
Journey Greatest Hits 1988 Nov 11 15 million
The Bee Gees Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack) 1977 Nov 1 15 million
Santana Supernatural 1999 Jun 15 15 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1962 - 1966 1973 Apr 02 15 million
Britney Spears ...Baby One More Time 1999 Jan 12 14 million
Backstreet Boys Backstreet Boys 1997 Aug 21 14 million
Meat Loaf Bat Out of Hell 1977 Jan 30 14 million
Metallica Metallica 1991 Aug 02 14 million
Garth Brooks Ropin' The Wind 1991 Sep 02 14 million
Simon & Garfunkel Simon & Garfunkel's Greatest Hits 1972 Jun 20 14 million
Bruce Springsteen Bruce Springsteen & E Street Band Live 1975 - '85 1986 Nov 07 13 million
Steve Miller Band Greatest Hits 1974-1978 1978 Nov 15 13 million
Backstreet Boys Millennium 1999 May 18 13 million
Whitney Houston Whitney Houston 1985 Feb 21 13 million
Prince and The Revolution Purple Rain 1984 Jun 25 13 million
Pearl Jam Ten 1991 Aug 20 13 million
Kenny G Breathless 1992 Oct 20 12 million
multiple artists Forrest Gump 1994 Jun 17 12 million
The Rolling Stones Hot Rocks 1971 Dec 15 12 million
Def Leppard Hysteria 1987 Aug 03 12 million
Boyz II Men II 1994 Aug 23 12 million
Kenny Rogers Greatest Hits 1980 Oct 18 12 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin II 1969 Oct 22 12 million
Phil Collins No Jacket Required 1985 Apr 15 12 million
Jewel Pieces of You 1995 Feb 13 12 million
Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet 1986 Aug 18 12 million
Shania Twain The Woman In Me 1995 Feb 07 12 million
Matchbox Twenty Yourself or Someone Like You 1996 Sep 16 12 million
The Beatles Abbey Road 1969 Oct 01 12 million
Dixie Chicks Wide Open Spaces 1998 Jan 23 12 million
TLC CrazySexyCool 1994 Nov 15 11 million
Aerosmith Aerosmith's Greatest Hits 1980 Oct 19 11 million
Shania Twain Up! 2002 Nov 19 11 million
Kid Rock Devil Without a Cause 1998 Aug 04 11 million
multiple artists Dirty Dancing 1987 Aug 04 11 million
Eagles Eagles Greatest Hits Volume II 1982 Oct 22 11 million
Celine Dion Falling Into You 1996 Mar 02 11 million
Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy 1973 Mar 28 11 million
multiple artists Titanic 1997 Nov 07 11 million
OutKast Speakerboxxx/The Love Below 2003 Sep 23 11 million
The Beatles Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band 1967 Jun 02 11 million
'N Sync No Strings Attached 2000 Mar 21 11 million
James Taylor James Taylor's Greatest Hits 1976 Oct 29 11 million
Creed Human Clay 1999 Sep 28 11 million
Dixie Chicks Fly 1999 Aug 31 10 million
Garth Brooks Garth Brooks 1989 Apr 12 10 million
Patsy Cline Greatest Hits 1973 Feb 14 10 million
Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Greatest Hits 1993 Nov 16 10 million
Linkin Park Hybrid Theory 2000 Oct 24 10 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin 1990 Oct 08 10 million
Bob Marley and The Wailers Legend 1984 Jul 24 10 million
Celine Dion Let's Talk About Love 1997 Nov 05 10 million
George Michael Faith 1987 Oct 30 10 million
ZZ Top Eliminator 1983 Mar 23 10 million
The Beatles 1 2000 Nov 13 10 million
Van Halen 1984 1984 Jan 04 10 million
The Doobie Brothers Best of the Doobies 1976 Oct 29 10 million
Lionel Richie Can't Slow Down 1983 Oct 14 10 million
Norah Jones Come Away with Me 2002 Feb 26 10 million
Usher Confessions 2004 Mar 23 10 million
Mariah Carey Daydream 1995 Oct 03 10 million
Green Day Dookie 1994 Feb 01 10 million
The Notorious B.I.G Life After Death 1997 Mar 25 10 million
Madonna Like a Virgin 1984 Nov 12 10 million
Eric Clapton Unplugged 1992 Aug 25 10 million
No Doubt Tragic Kingdom 1995 Oct 06 10 million
Billy Joel The Stranger 1977 Jan 09 10 million
multiple artists The Lion King: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack 1994 Apr 27 10 million
U2 The Joshua Tree 1987 Mar 09 10 million
Madonna The Immaculate Collection 1990 Nov 13 10 million
Garth Brooks The Hits 1994 Dec 01 10 million
The Doors The Best of The Doors 1985 May 19 10 million
Carole King Tapestry 1971 Jan 30 10 million
Stevie Wonder Songs in the Key of Life 1976 Sep 28 10 million
Garth Brooks Sevens 1997 Nov 01 10 million
Def Leppard Pyromania 1983 Jan 20 10 million
MC Hammer Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em 1990 Feb 12 10 million
Britney Spears Oops!... I Did It Again 2000 May 16 10 million
Nirvana Nevermind 1991 Sep 24 10 million
'N Sync *NSYNC 1998 Mar 24 10 million
Mariah Carey Music Box 1993 Aug 31 10 million
Van Halen Van Halen 1978 Feb 10 10 million
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I'm surprised that Janet Jackson is not on this list. What about New Kids on the Block? They appeared to have more fans than N Sync or Backstreet Boys. As far as rap, I'm surprised that the Chronic by Dr Dre or Jay Z'z The Life And Times Of Sean Carter are not on this list. Didn't these cd sell a lot. Also, where is MJ's so called heir (Beyonce) LOL.
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Reply #133 posted 07/18/09 1:33pm

Cinnie

ernestsewell said:

Cinnie said:



Ain't nobody wearing those clothes in 1998 (when he would have been 40, he was 42 in 2000.) That picture looks like Ray Parker Jr almost. Weird.


That's a skinny tie and afro mullet too. I have no idea what they altered in the photo outside of adding a moustache lol
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Reply #134 posted 07/18/09 2:02pm

CalhounSq

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RONNYRON said:

Arnotts said:

Its because just like with Elvis they are focusing on the young hot looking Michael. Another thing I noticed is the media is hyping up the Off The Wall and Thriller album more than the others. Actually they've always done this. A few of my friends brought his albums that they heard were good, and were dissapointed with Off The Wall as I think most young people will be. I encouraged them to get the better albums 'Bad' and 'Dangerous', and as I expected they liked them more. I don't think Off The Wall is hooky enough for the young kids of today.



Agreed, "OFF THE WALL" would just be a retro disco album to the kids today, the tuff snares and new jack beats of "BAD" and "DANGEROUS" would be more their speed.

"OFF THE WALL" is simply a well crafted soul and R&B album - brilliant, without the crossover appeal of "THRILLER", but a smoother listen (IMHO).

lol lol I'm trying to remember "new jack beats" & "tuff snares" on that album. This sentence made my eyes strain out of my head falloff Maybe I'm just not remembering it well, God know's I haven't listened to it since it was out yawn
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Reply #135 posted 07/18/09 2:04pm

Timmy84

CalhounSq said:

RONNYRON said:




Agreed, "OFF THE WALL" would just be a retro disco album to the kids today, the tuff snares and new jack beats of "BAD" and "DANGEROUS" would be more their speed.

"OFF THE WALL" is simply a well crafted soul and R&B album - brilliant, without the crossover appeal of "THRILLER", but a smoother listen (IMHO).

lol lol I'm trying to remember "new jack beats" & "tuff snares" on that album. This sentence made my eyes strain out of my head falloff Maybe I'm just not remembering it well, God know's I haven't listened to it since it was out yawn


I listened to it, there WAS no "new jack beats" or "tuff snares". I heard keyboard programming, drum programming, some noise that used to be "revolutionary" back then. Don't take away that the album is good. But "Off the Wall" is more timeless to me.
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Reply #136 posted 07/18/09 2:09pm

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So that mf thought the curl would last that long??? hammer

lol Nice thought though, that his face would have looked anything like this in 2000. The 'stache is killin' me though lol
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Reply #137 posted 07/18/09 2:15pm

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Timmy84 said:

CalhounSq said:


lol lol I'm trying to remember "new jack beats" & "tuff snares" on that album. This sentence made my eyes strain out of my head falloff Maybe I'm just not remembering it well, God know's I haven't listened to it since it was out yawn


I listened to it, there WAS no "new jack beats" or "tuff snares". I heard keyboard programming, drum programming, some noise that used to be "revolutionary" back then. Don't take away that the album is good. But "Off the Wall" is more timeless to me.

Thanks for confirming that, b/c I don't remember anything sounding like that on Bad. It was rather weak instrumentally, even the title song (which was supposed to bang, I guess) never really hits. It just never breaks the Casio keyboard mode...

Dangerous had some thump to it but most of it (possibly all) didn't age well...

Off the Wall is such a great album b/c like you said - it's timeless. Someone musically inclined could explain it better, but it's just more straightforward. There's a simplicity, there's great melodies, there's an energy about it that just feels really good.
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Reply #138 posted 07/18/09 2:42pm

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Cinnie said:

That's a skinny tie and afro mullet too. I have no idea what they altered in the photo outside of adding a moustache lol


Yeah, and the turned up blazer collar, and the cloth the blazer is made out of, the color combination (bright red and powder blue?! YIKES!) And even the rounded collar is very 80's. If it had a white collar on a stripped shirt, it'd give it away even more. The eyes and nose are his, and perhaps the mouth. It looks more like a cousin or something.
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Reply #139 posted 07/18/09 2:46pm

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Cinnie said:


what year did they post this?
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Reply #140 posted 07/18/09 2:49pm

Timmy84

Erika2k8 said:

Cinnie said:


what year did they post this?


August 1985, just scroll down and look at the left of the picture at the bottom. smile
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Reply #141 posted 07/18/09 2:55pm

Cinnie

Timmy84 said:

Erika2k8 said:


what year did they post this?


August 1985, just scroll down and look at the left of the picture at the bottom. smile


Hell, he didn't look anything like that even 4 years later. lol
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Reply #142 posted 07/18/09 2:59pm

suga10

Cinnie said:



And Boy were they wrong lol


2000

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Reply #143 posted 07/18/09 3:08pm

Riverpoet31

Umm... maybe his earlier music was better (or more popular) then his more recent one.

Something like that? biggrin
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Reply #144 posted 07/18/09 4:14pm

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SUPRMAN said:

AlexdeParis said:


MC Hammer immediately comes to mind. Stevie Wonder may have as well. I know SITKOL is also diamond, but I don't know if that number is doubled.


Good call. You named both that I'd missed. I know SITKOL was released before platinum and diamond awards so not sure how that was counted. Never in to Hammer, so that one got by me.
How could I have missed Whitney Houston?! But then she's not a male. lol


Lists from RIAA site showing current status holders of RIAA Certifications:
List of best-selling albums in the United States
List of best-selling music artists in the United States
[edit]Diamond sales

Diamond (10+ Million) Certified[5]
Artist Album Release date Certified sales
Eagles Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975) 1976 Feb 17 29 million
Michael Jackson Thriller 1982 Dec 01 28 million
Pink Floyd The Wall 1979 Nov 28 23 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin IV 1971 Nov 08 23 million
AC/DC Back in Black 1980 Jul 21 22 million
Garth Brooks Double Live 1998 Nov 17 21 million
Billy Joel Greatest Hits Volume I & Volume II 1985 Jun 28 21 million
Shania Twain Come on Over 1997 Nov 04 20 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1968 Nov 25 19 million
Fleetwood Mac Rumours 1977 Feb 04 19 million
Guns N' Roses Appetite for Destruction 1987 Jul 21 18 million
Boston Boston 1976 Aug 25 17 million
Whitney Houston The Bodyguard: Original Soundtrack Album 1992 Nov 17 17 million
Garth Brooks No Fences 1990 Aug 27 16 million
Hootie & the Blowfish Cracked Rear View 1994 Jul 05 16 million
Elton John Elton John's Greatest Hits 1974 Nov 04 16 million
Eagles Hotel California 1976 Nov 08 16 million
Alanis Morissette Jagged Little Pill 1995 Jun 13 16 million
Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti 1975 Mar 03 16 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1967 - 1970 1973 Apr 02 16 million
Bruce Springsteen Born in the U.S.A. 1984 Jun 01 15 million
Pink Floyd The Dark Side of the Moon 1973 Apr 17 15 million
Journey Greatest Hits 1988 Nov 11 15 million
The Bee Gees Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack) 1977 Nov 1 15 million
Santana Supernatural 1999 Jun 15 15 million
The Beatles The Beatles 1962 - 1966 1973 Apr 02 15 million
Britney Spears ...Baby One More Time 1999 Jan 12 14 million
Backstreet Boys Backstreet Boys 1997 Aug 21 14 million
Meat Loaf Bat Out of Hell 1977 Jan 30 14 million
Metallica Metallica 1991 Aug 02 14 million
Garth Brooks Ropin' The Wind 1991 Sep 02 14 million
Simon & Garfunkel Simon & Garfunkel's Greatest Hits 1972 Jun 20 14 million
Bruce Springsteen Bruce Springsteen & E Street Band Live 1975 - '85 1986 Nov 07 13 million
Steve Miller Band Greatest Hits 1974-1978 1978 Nov 15 13 million
Backstreet Boys Millennium 1999 May 18 13 million
Whitney Houston Whitney Houston 1985 Feb 21 13 million
Prince and The Revolution Purple Rain 1984 Jun 25 13 million
Pearl Jam Ten 1991 Aug 20 13 million
Kenny G Breathless 1992 Oct 20 12 million
multiple artists Forrest Gump 1994 Jun 17 12 million
The Rolling Stones Hot Rocks 1971 Dec 15 12 million
Def Leppard Hysteria 1987 Aug 03 12 million
Boyz II Men II 1994 Aug 23 12 million
Kenny Rogers Greatest Hits 1980 Oct 18 12 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin II 1969 Oct 22 12 million
Phil Collins No Jacket Required 1985 Apr 15 12 million
Jewel Pieces of You 1995 Feb 13 12 million
Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet 1986 Aug 18 12 million
Shania Twain The Woman In Me 1995 Feb 07 12 million
Matchbox Twenty Yourself or Someone Like You 1996 Sep 16 12 million
The Beatles Abbey Road 1969 Oct 01 12 million
Dixie Chicks Wide Open Spaces 1998 Jan 23 12 million
TLC CrazySexyCool 1994 Nov 15 11 million
Aerosmith Aerosmith's Greatest Hits 1980 Oct 19 11 million
Shania Twain Up! 2002 Nov 19 11 million
Kid Rock Devil Without a Cause 1998 Aug 04 11 million
multiple artists Dirty Dancing 1987 Aug 04 11 million
Eagles Eagles Greatest Hits Volume II 1982 Oct 22 11 million
Celine Dion Falling Into You 1996 Mar 02 11 million
Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy 1973 Mar 28 11 million
multiple artists Titanic 1997 Nov 07 11 million
OutKast Speakerboxxx/The Love Below 2003 Sep 23 11 million
The Beatles Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band 1967 Jun 02 11 million
'N Sync No Strings Attached 2000 Mar 21 11 million
James Taylor James Taylor's Greatest Hits 1976 Oct 29 11 million
Creed Human Clay 1999 Sep 28 11 million
Dixie Chicks Fly 1999 Aug 31 10 million
Garth Brooks Garth Brooks 1989 Apr 12 10 million
Patsy Cline Greatest Hits 1973 Feb 14 10 million
Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers Greatest Hits 1993 Nov 16 10 million
Linkin Park Hybrid Theory 2000 Oct 24 10 million
Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin 1990 Oct 08 10 million
Bob Marley and The Wailers Legend 1984 Jul 24 10 million
Celine Dion Let's Talk About Love 1997 Nov 05 10 million
George Michael Faith 1987 Oct 30 10 million
ZZ Top Eliminator 1983 Mar 23 10 million
The Beatles 1 2000 Nov 13 10 million
Van Halen 1984 1984 Jan 04 10 million
The Doobie Brothers Best of the Doobies 1976 Oct 29 10 million
Lionel Richie Can't Slow Down 1983 Oct 14 10 million
Norah Jones Come Away with Me 2002 Feb 26 10 million
Usher Confessions 2004 Mar 23 10 million
Mariah Carey Daydream 1995 Oct 03 10 million
Green Day Dookie 1994 Feb 01 10 million
The Notorious B.I.G Life After Death 1997 Mar 25 10 million
Madonna Like a Virgin 1984 Nov 12 10 million
Eric Clapton Unplugged 1992 Aug 25 10 million
No Doubt Tragic Kingdom 1995 Oct 06 10 million
Billy Joel The Stranger 1977 Jan 09 10 million
multiple artists The Lion King: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack 1994 Apr 27 10 million
U2 The Joshua Tree 1987 Mar 09 10 million
Madonna The Immaculate Collection 1990 Nov 13 10 million
Garth Brooks The Hits 1994 Dec 01 10 million
The Doors The Best of The Doors 1985 May 19 10 million
Carole King Tapestry 1971 Jan 30 10 million
Stevie Wonder Songs in the Key of Life 1976 Sep 28 10 million
Garth Brooks Sevens 1997 Nov 01 10 million
Def Leppard Pyromania 1983 Jan 20 10 million
MC Hammer Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em 1990 Feb 12 10 million
Britney Spears Oops!... I Did It Again 2000 May 16 10 million
Nirvana Nevermind 1991 Sep 24 10 million
'N Sync *NSYNC 1998 Mar 24 10 million
Mariah Carey Music Box 1993 Aug 31 10 million
Van Halen Van Halen 1978 Feb 10 10 million
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How fast did some of these albums hit that mark though? I remember that Outkast's 'Speakerboxx/The Love Below' shot to 10 million copies in just a few months after release. I don't remember the exact day, but I will never forget watching some entertainment news program and hearing the announcer say, "Outkast has gone diamond with their latest album. One of the first rap/hip-hop albums in history to reach this feat." I remember this not because it was a hip-hop album selling that many copies; no, I remember it because I had a total Jessica Simpson moment. I totally thought out loud and said, "What the fuck is 'diamond'?" confuse Knew what 'platinum' was; knew what 'gold' was; but, no idea of what 'diamond' meant, not a clue. When I learned what it meant (sad I know), I just couldn't believe that an album could actually legally sell that many copies in such a short period of time, especially being from that musical genre. Total dumbass moment. lol
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Reply #145 posted 07/18/09 4:20pm

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Cinnie said:

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Ain't nobody wearing those clothes in 1998 (when he would have been 40, he was 42 in 2000.) That picture looks like Ray Parker Jr almost. Weird.


That's a skinny tie and afro mullet too. I have no idea what they altered in the photo outside of adding a moustache lol


lol They added the bags under his eyes. Michael totally flipped the script on their asses. lol All that picture is missing is a briefcase and one of those old school cell phones...ya know the one's that looked like bricks with antennas and illuminated touchtone keypads. nod
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CalhounSq said:


lol lol I'm trying to remember "new jack beats" & "tuff snares" on that album. This sentence made my eyes strain out of my head falloff Maybe I'm just not remembering it well, God know's I haven't listened to it since it was out yawn


I listened to it, there WAS no "new jack beats" or "tuff snares". I heard keyboard programming, drum programming, some noise that used to be "revolutionary" back then. Don't take away that the album is good. But "Off the Wall" is more timeless to me.




There were plenty of snares on "BAD", the new jack beats were in reference to "DANGEROUS".
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Arnotts said:

Its because just like with Elvis they are focusing on the young hot looking Michael. Another thing I noticed is the media is hyping up the Off The Wall and Thriller album more than the others. Actually they've always done this. A few of my friends brought his albums that they heard were good, and were dissapointed with Off The Wall as I think most young people will be. I encouraged them to get the better albums 'Bad' and 'Dangerous', and as I expected they liked them more. I don't think Off The Wall is hooky enough for the young kids of today.



Agreed, "OFF THE WALL" would just be a retro disco album to the kids today, the tuff snares of "BAD" and new jack beats of "DANGEROUS" would be more their speed.

"OFF THE WALL" is simply a well crafted soul and R&B album - brilliant, without the crossover appeal of "THRILLER", but a smoother listen (IMHO).


There u go, corrected.
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RONNYRON said:

Timmy84 said:



I listened to it, there WAS no "new jack beats" or "tuff snares". I heard keyboard programming, drum programming, some noise that used to be "revolutionary" back then. Don't take away that the album is good. But "Off the Wall" is more timeless to me.




There were plenty of snares on "BAD", the new jack beats were in reference to "DANGEROUS".


LOL, you had me going " whofarted " for a minute. lol Thanks for clearing that up. Well I can see where you'll find snares in "Bad".

I think new jack swing is more dated than disco tho.
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RONNYRON said:





There were plenty of snares on "BAD", the new jack beats were in reference to "DANGEROUS".


LOL, you had me going " whofarted " for a minute. lol Thanks for clearing that up. Well I can see where you'll find snares in "Bad".

I think new jack swing is more dated than disco tho.



DISCO has had, and will always have, a longer lifespan than NJS, people still have retro/disco dress up parties, and you know "BLAME IT ON THE BOOGIE" and "DON'T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH" are staples.

NEW JACK SWING had a shorter life, ain't too many retro new jack parties that I know of, it was cool in it's day, but just didn't have the worldwide cultural impact that DISCO had.

So in that prognosis, and IMHO - "OFF THE WALL" will be 'more' remembered than "DANGEROUS"... let the debating begin.
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