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PrintableDangerous was his most versatile effort in my opinion. That was the album where he showed a whole different side of his musical abilities that was never seen ever before.
Even the History album had some wonderful ballads. [Edited 7/15/09 12:23pm] | |
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Yea, I've noticed this too
Most magazine tributes display pics of MJ in his J5 days and categorize the years where he transformed into a Caucasian man as "The lost years". | |
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midnightmover said: AlexdeParis said: WTF are you talking about? Common sense says that people would purchase the albums they don't already own.
I think it's fair to say more people owned Thriller than Dangerous, yet it's not Dangerous they're buying is it?  The videos I'm seeing being played are all earlier ones too. You are trying to dodge that issue. My hopes of an honest discussion are fading fast.Thriller is his most popular album. It will always be at or near the top of the list (and I'm sure the rereleased version doesn't hurt). No, it wasn't.
"it's" = "it is" "its" = belonging to it The fact that you're making such a pedantic point shows you have an agenda to try and divert attention from the real issue. Why else would you be so churlish? You keep making the same mistake, so I thought I'd offer some advice. Feel free to take it or leave it.  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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People are going to go into the back catalogue. It is interesting this topic, because I see the same thing here in the USA. I noticed that the most popular pics were around the Thriller era.
RIP MJ. [Edited 7/15/09 12:44pm] To All the Haters on the Internet
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midnightmover said: ernestsewell said: Worldwide sales were as follows: Off The Wall - 20 million Thriller - 109 million Bad - 30 million Dangerous - 32 million HIStory - 20 million (40 million units aka 2 disk set) Blood On The Dance Floor - 6 million Invincible - 10 million Dangerous was a lot bigger in the US than Off The Wall as far as publicity and output. The tour, the Black or White video controversy, the Super Bowl, the plethora of videos, the Oprah interview. That was miles above any promotion he did for Off The Wall, or even Thriller. His first solo tour wasn't until 1988's BAD tour. Thriller had 3 videos, plus a making of. Off The Wall had what....3 videos? Agree. Those later MJ albums were MUCH MORE high profile and sold much more. But dude, Thriller DID NOT sell 109 million.  Plus I think these might be the sales to date. But to the topic at hand, your right. On BET awards tribute most of if not all they showed were afro pics. But I understand , it was to remind everyone that MJ is black. But I don't think anyone needed a reminder. Probably the youngters. Some people think I'm kinda cute
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Okay. [Edited 7/15/09 12:45pm] | |
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AlexdeParis said: Thriller is his most popular album. It will always be at or near the top of the list (and I'm sure the rereleased version doesn't hurt).
But you just said people were simply buying the albums they didn't have. You're now contradicting that by saying they're buying Thriller because it's more popular.  I wish you'd get the story straight.
The other original album that's selling great is Off The Wall. It's not just the sales, it's also airplay. There's clearly a preference for his earlier stuff, and it was apparent even before Michael died. People regard the earlier material as much better than his later stuff. Which is why you saw that footage being played much more upon his death than the later, King Of Pop stuff. I'm wondering also if this preference (which is beyond dispute if we're being honest) has to do with his appearance and his earlier self seeming to be less tainted than the later one. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Dangerous sold just as well as Off the Wall though worldwide. [Edited 7/15/09 12:50pm] | |
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People need to listen to his material from 1976 to 1980. To me, this was the Michael Jackson at his most soulful. Yes even more soulful than his 1968-1975 period. | |
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The Destiny and Triumph albums had some of his most impressive work | |
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edit [Edited 7/15/09 14:33pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Timmy84 said: People need to listen to his material from 1976 to 1980. To me, this was the Michael Jackson at his most soulful. Yes even more soulful than his 1968-1975 period.
Some of the Gamble & Huff stuff was pretty corny though. But SYTWTG was BRILLIANT! “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Timmy84 said: People need to listen to his material from 1976 to 1980. To me, this was the Michael Jackson at his most soulful. Yes even more soulful than his 1968-1975 period.
I agree, Michael was at his most soulful during his late teens/early 20s. | |
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midnightmover said: Timmy84 said: People need to listen to his material from 1976 to 1980. To me, this was the Michael Jackson at his most soulful. Yes even more soulful than his 1968-1975 period.
Some of the Gamble & Huff stuff was pretty corny though. But SYTWTG was BRILLIANT! Not to me they weren't especially compared to his MOTOWN material. 
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: People need to listen to his material from 1976 to 1980. To me, this was the Michael Jackson at his most soulful. Yes even more soulful than his 1968-1975 period.
I agree, Michael was at his most soulful during his late teens/early 20s. Yeah and of the Motown years, his last years were my favorites of that era (1974-75). | |
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Timmy84 said: midnightmover said: Some of the Gamble & Huff stuff was pretty corny though. But SYTWTG was BRILLIANT! Not to me they weren't especially compared to his MOTOWN material.
Yes I said it! For me MJ's voice is the only thing that redeems most of the Goin' Places album. The song the boys produced themselves (Different Kind of Lady) was the funkiest thing on it for me. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: Timmy84 said: Not to me they weren't especially compared to his MOTOWN material.
Yes I said it! For me MJ's voice is the only thing that redeems most of the Goin' Places album. The song the boys produced themselves (Different Kind of Lady) was the funkiest thing on it for me. But that's the thing I like about those albums, Michael's voice was BOSS on them.  | |
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Timmy84 said: whatsgoingon said: I agree, Michael was at his most soulful during his late teens/early 20s. Yeah and of the Motown years, his last years were my favorites of that era (1974-75). Although during the Motown years the likes of "ABC", "I want You back" and "The Love You Save" were really popular but I tended to like the more soulful songs even though I was only about 5 years old. In fact my first real memory of Michael's music was of "Looking Through The Windows", which sounds more poignant today than it did back in the day. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: Yeah and of the Motown years, his last years were my favorites of that era (1974-75). Although during the Motown years the likes of "ABC", "I want You back" and "The Love You Save" were really popular but I tended to like the more soulful songs even though I was only about 5 years old. In fact my first real memory of Michael's music was of "Looking Through The Windows", which sounds more poignant today than it did back in the day. Yeah I like the ones where he sung with soul like "Can You Remember", "Who's Loving You", "To Know", "Maria", "Ain't No Sunshine", etc. For some reason I can't stand the more popular ones, maybe because of its "bubblegum quality". I mean it was still the Motown sound, but you know, lol. MJ was also showing some early falsetto. You heard him going high at the end of "Big Boy" from their pre-Motown period?  | |
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midnightmover said: AlexdeParis said: Thriller is his most popular album. It will always be at or near the top of the list (and I'm sure the rereleased version doesn't hurt).
But you just said people were simply buying the albums they didn't have. You're now contradicting that by saying they're buying Thriller because it's more popular. I wish you'd get the story straight.I wish you'd grow out of your juvenile argumentative style, but whatever. You asked for suggestions for this perceived trend; I offered 2. They certainly aren't mutually exclusive. It's obvious that Thriller is in a class by itself as far as mainstream popularity goes. The other original album that's selling great is Off The Wall. It's not just the sales, it's also airplay. Where are you getting this info? Again, the last Billboard numbers I saw showed Bad and Dangerous not far behind Off the Wall in sales. "Black or White" and "Man in the Mirror" (among other songs) were doing very well in downloads and airplay. If you have more up-to-date information, I'd love to see it. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Timmy84 said: whatsgoingon said: Although during the Motown years the likes of "ABC", "I want You back" and "The Love You Save" were really popular but I tended to like the more soulful songs even though I was only about 5 years old. In fact my first real memory of Michael's music was of "Looking Through The Windows", which sounds more poignant today than it did back in the day. Yeah I like the ones where he sung with soul like "Can You Remember", "Who's Loving You", "To Know", "Maria", "Ain't No Sunshine", etc. For some reason I can't stand the more popular ones, maybe because of its "bubblegum quality". I mean it was still the Motown sound, but you know, lol. MJ was also showing some early falsetto. You heard him going high at the end of "Big Boy" from their pre-Motown period? See, I don't see it that way. IMO, little Mike injected soul in virtually everything he sang. I think the reason the so-called "bubblegum" songs work so well is because of his soulful singing. Even his vocals on "ABC" drip with soul to me. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said:[quote] midnightmover said: I wish you'd grow out of your juvenile argumentative style, but whatever. You asked for suggestions for this perceived trend; I offered 2. They certainly aren't mutually exclusive. It's obvious that Thriller is in a class by itself as far as mainstream popularity goes. The other original album that's selling great is Off The Wall. It's not just the sales, it's also airplay. Where are you getting this info? Again, the last Billboard numbers I saw showed Bad and Dangerous not far behind Off the Wall in sales. "Black or White" and "Man in the Mirror" (among other songs) were doing very well in downloads and airplay. If you have more up-to-date information, I'd love to see it. If you're now arguing that OTW is not far behind Bad and Dangerous then you shouldn't still be saying that people are just buying OTW because they've already got the later ones. You should drop that argument altogether. Secondly, I live in the UK so obviously I'm not looking at Billboard charts. Over here OTW is vastly outselling the later albums. You seem to be trying to disprove my basic premise, but I haven't heard you disputing about the airplay or the images most often seen in recent weeks. Ignoring that is being dishonest imo, especially since most other people seem to agree. [Edited 7/15/09 14:20pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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AlexdeParis said: Timmy84 said: Yeah I like the ones where he sung with soul like "Can You Remember", "Who's Loving You", "To Know", "Maria", "Ain't No Sunshine", etc. For some reason I can't stand the more popular ones, maybe because of its "bubblegum quality". I mean it was still the Motown sound, but you know, lol. MJ was also showing some early falsetto. You heard him going high at the end of "Big Boy" from their pre-Motown period? See, I don't see it that way. IMO, little Mike injected soul in virtually everything he sang. I think the reason the so-called "bubblegum" songs work so well is because of his soulful singing. Even his vocals on "ABC" drip with soul to me. Well besides that, lol. | |
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AlexdeParis said: ernestsewell said: Worldwide sales were as follows: Off The Wall - 20 million Thriller - 109 million Bad - 30 million Dangerous - 32 million HIStory - 20 million (40 million units aka 2 disk set) Blood On The Dance Floor - 6 million Invincible - 10 million I explicitly mentioned the US, where I believe Off the Wall and Dangerous are both certified as 7x platinum. And I explicitly mentioned worldwide sales. See how that works? | |
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midnightmover said: AlexdeParis said: Where are you getting this info? Again, the last Billboard numbers I saw showed Bad and Dangerous not far behind Off the Wall in sales. "Black or White" and "Man in the Mirror" (among other songs) were doing very well in downloads and airplay. If you have more up-to-date information, I'd love to see it. If you're now arguing that OTW is not far behind Bad and Dangerous then you shouldn't still be saying that people are just buying OTW because they've already got the later ones. You should drop that argument altogether. Secondly, I live in the UK so obviously I'm not looking at Billboard charts. Over here OTW is vastly outselling the later albums. You seem to be trying to disprove my basic premise, but I haven't heard you disputing about the airplay or the images most often seen in recent weeks. Ignoring that is being dishonest imo, especially since most other people seem to agree. [Edited 7/15/09 14:20pm] yet it's Man In The Mirror that's number 3 in the singles charts
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midnightmover said: AlexdeParis said: Where are you getting this info? Again, the last Billboard numbers I saw showed Bad and Dangerous not far behind Off the Wall in sales. "Black or White" and "Man in the Mirror" (among other songs) were doing very well in downloads and airplay. If you have more up-to-date information, I'd love to see it. If you're now arguing that OTW is not far behind Bad and Dangerous then you shouldn't still be saying that people are just buying OTW because they've already got the later ones. You should drop that argument altogether. Wow, you're getting all confused. Try to follow me: the latest post-death numbers I saw showed Off the Wall not too far ahead of Bad and Dangerous as far as weekly sales go (not the other way around like you just wrote). That goes against your original claim. Secondly, I live in the UK so obviously I'm not looking at Billboard charts. Over here OTW is vastly outselling the later albums.
I ask again: where are you getting these numbers? You seem to be trying to disprove my basic premise, but I haven't heard you disputing about the airplay or the images most often seen in recent weeks. Ignoring that is being dishonest imo, especially since most other people seem to agree.
I've already discussed airplay. Isn't "Man in the Mirror" his most popular song in the UK since his death? Look at BBC Radio 1's current chart: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radi...les.shtml. The MJ songs in order are "Man in the Mirror," "Smooth Criminal," "Billie Jean," "Thriller," "They Don't Care About Us," "Black or White," "Dirty Diana," "Beat It," "Who's Lovin' You," "Earth Song," and "You Are Not Alone." That certainly doesn't reflect the trend you claim. As far as the images go, my first thought was that I'm surprised there are so many latter-day pictures for the tributes (Time and Jet immediately spring to mind). "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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ernestsewell said: AlexdeParis said: I explicitly mentioned the US, where I believe Off the Wall and Dangerous are both certified as 7x platinum. And I explicitly mentioned worldwide sales. See how that works?  I'm wondering why you would quote my original statement about the US when your reply wasn't relevant to it."Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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LightOfArt said: midnightmover said: If you're now arguing that OTW is not far behind Bad and Dangerous then you shouldn't still be saying that people are just buying OTW because they've already got the later ones. You should drop that argument altogether. Secondly, I live in the UK so obviously I'm not looking at Billboard charts. Over here OTW is vastly outselling the later albums. You seem to be trying to disprove my basic premise, but I haven't heard you disputing about the airplay or the images most often seen in recent weeks. Ignoring that is being dishonest imo, especially since most other people seem to agree. [Edited 7/15/09 14:20pm] yet it's Man In The Mirror that's number 3 in the singles charts
which is on this album: First of all, that's caramel Mike, not white Mike. Secondly, you can post as big a picture as you like, but walk into HMV right now and you'll see the earlier Mike is getting all the love. Man in The Mirror is one of Mike's best tracks and one of the only ones on that album he played no role in writing.
The emphasis is clearly on the pre-King of Pop Mike. It's a shame MJ fans are not being honest enough to admit this point. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Here is the current UK album chart. OTW, Thriller and Jackson 5 compilations are riding high while the later albums are NOWHERE TO BE SEEN apart from compilations. Read it and weep.
1 (11) Michael Jackson The Essential (Epic) 2 NEW (-) Florence & The Machine Lungs (Island) 3 10 (3) Michael Jackson Off The Wall (Epic) 4 6 (3) Michael Jackson Thriller (Epic) 5 RE (-) Michael Jackson & Jackson Five The Motown Years (Motown) 6 2 (2) La Roux La Roux (Polydor) 7 3 (9) Michael Jackson Number Ones (Epic) 8 NEW (-) Cascada Evacuate The Dancefloor (AATW / UMTV) 9 18 (15) Michael Jackson Thriller 25 (Epic) 10 8 (26) Lady Gaga The Fame (Interscope) TW LW Wks ARTIST TITLE (LABEL) 1-10 | 11-20 | 21-30 | 31-40 11 4 (5) Kasabian West Ryder Pauper Lunatic Asylum (Columbia) 12 7 (6) Paolo Nutini Sunny Side Up (Atlantic) 13 11 (32) Take That The Circus (Polydor) 14 5 (13) Michael Jackson King Of Pop (Epic) 15 23 (2) Michael Jackson & Jackson Five The Very Best Of (UMTV) 16 14 (42) Kings Of Leon Only By The Night (Hand Me Down) 17 33 (2) Michael Jackson History - Past Present And Future Book 1 (Epic) 18 12 (5) Black Eyed Peas The End (Interscope) 19 9 (5) Bruce Springsteen & E St Band Greatest Hits (Columbia) 20 NEW (-) Kings Of Leon Boxed (Hand Me Down) Lily Allen It's Not Me It's You (Regal Recordings) 22 15 (20) Prodigy Invaders Must Die (Takemetothehospital) 23 20 (9) Jim Reeves The Very Best Of (Sony M) 24 19 (5) Noisettes Wild Young Hearts (Vertigo) 25 16 (6) Daniel Merriweather Love & War (J) 26 21 (2) Kenyan Boys Choir Spirit Of Africa (Decca) 27 22 (43) Script Script (Phonogenic) 28 13 (2) Ali Campbell Flying High (Jacaranda) 29 NEW (-) Benny Andersson Band Story Of A Heart (Polydor) 30 27 (3) Neil Sedaka The Music Of My Life (UMTV) TW LW Wks ARTIST TITLE (LABEL) 1-10 | 11-20 | 21-30 | 31-40 31 31 (34) Beyonce I Am Sasha Fierce (Columbia) 32 24 (20) Jason Mraz We Sing We Dance We Steal Things (Atlantic) 33 26 (3) Keri Hilson In A Perfect World (Interscope) 34 37 (9) Green Day 21st Century Breakdown (Rep) 35 32 (5) Calvin Harris I Created Disco (Columbia) 36 28 (22) Kasabian Empire (Columbia) 37 34 (8) Eminem Relapse (Interscope) 38 25 (20) Fleet Foxes Fleet Foxes (Bella Union) 39 RE (-) Take That Never Forget - The Ultimate Collection (RCA) 40 NEW (-) Duckworth Lewis Method The Duckworth Lewis Method (Divine Comedy) Top 40 Albums is compiled by The Official UK Charts Company KEY TW - This Week's Chart Position LW - Last Week's Chart Position Wks - Number Of Weeks In The Chart [Edited 7/15/09 14:58pm] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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you can twist it as much as you like sweetie...all it comes down to is his biggest hit in the UK now is not on Off The Wall  | |
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