seeingvoices12 said:

thank you for being a considerate poster... you see through things

Arnotts said:

I agree,
1. Jehovah Witness along with his mother's views on girls ("my mother always told me becareful what you do, don't go around breaking young girls hearts" ~ Billie Jean) seriously distorted his perceptions in relation to sexual expression. He felt sex was a "bad" deed. If you see his interview with Oprah he talks about Tatum O'Neal and how he had his hands covering his face while she undid his buttons.

2. If he was diagnosed with lupus erythematosus, autoimmune disease may have prevented him from a close relationship, also vitiligo

3. His fame and fortune, prevented him from meeting the right person as he could not tell if people liked him for himself or his fame/money

Oh shit y'all go to channel 8!

Joe said he loves Michael

his grief is "he put a lot into Michael"

Wow, i'm watching ABC right now and Joe is talking about Michael "The superstar" more than how he felt about him as a son once again. Tsk tsk. Can't say i'm suprised though.

Not watching.

Why are you'll surprised!

I think it's obvious Joe's been out of the loop for years now.

He said he don't care what you'll think LMFAO!

midiscover said:

Of course he doesn't.

Joe=Sociopath lol

I'm serious, the man is so cold

On a related note to the topic posted, which tribute magazine has been your favorite?

I think XXL (a hip hop magazine) did a fantastic job doing a comprehensive story on the man's life.

In XXL's tribute issue, there is even a mention of Prince stating that MJ did not need his help on Bad because according to Prince, he didn't need help to write a hit. I found it interesting how they went on to say Sony was conspiring to screw MJ out of his masters and ow MJ was lobbying to get them from Sony so he can release music at his own discretion.This in turn led to MJs rant against Tommy Mottola and Sony around the time of Invincible.

I saw XXL at the supermarket the other day, but I was broke lol so I couldn't buy it but it looks good. I definitely plan on getting it soon.

Timmy84 said:

I think he's a bit confused on the difference between being a father and business partner. He kind of reminds me of my father!

Cinnamon234 said:

he's 70's ICE-PIMP-KINDA-COLD which makes me believe Michael even more

he is spiteful of the will therefore doing all of these interviews ...the root of all evil money in his mind he 'made' Michael regardless of his god given talent.

Daryl Hall on Michael, The Ultimate Video Star
July 2009

"When videos first started, we didn't know what to do, we just jumped around in front of a camera. Michael was the first one to take it seriously and said, OK, I'm gonna make these extravaganzas. He raised the bar for everybody in the '80s. On "We Are the World" we were all in the room together. He sort of clung to Diana Ross pretty much, but at one point I was off to the side and he came over to me and said, "I hope you don't mind, but I stole 'Billie Jean' from you," and I said, "It's all right, man, I just ripped the base line off, so can you!"

"Michael Jackson created a style that was unique to him, he was incredible. And he didn't lip synch. While he was doing all those dances, he was signing, everybody else should take note."


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Timmy84 said:

Neither am I! Joe won't be profiting from my little ratings share.

This ISNT helping Kathrine.
[Edited 7/14/09 19:13pm]

AT JOE UP IN THE CLUB DANCIN TO 50 CENT

Did you see Joe in club dancing to 50

I don't understand why Michael put so much trust in Medications...

As Dr Deepak Chopra said: Your body is it's own medical cabinet. Most times when you fall ill, your body will come up with a medical solution, exceptions of course (cancer, aids etc.) I am one of those people who distrust doctors (especially the ones who are quick to write up prescriptions),my approach is holistic medicine / Naturopathy.

All you need is a good diet of fresh foods, air, clean water and excercise.

midiscover said:

Well this is the same guy that demanded his kids call by his first name so it doesn't surprise me he is mourning that a part of his business company is no longer living. He doesn't look to me like someone who had no clue what fatherhood really was or he was raised to act so cold.

I still can't see why Katherine didn't divorce him. I don't think the divorce would've destroyed shit as some people suggested.

I can't even look at Joe, the man looks evil.

utopia7 said:

His old ass need to be put in a rest home.

"Michael didn't paint his skin white!"

midiscover said:

OMFG! How dumb is he sounding. PAINT WHITE!?

JOSEPH WALTER JACKSON, PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Timmy84 said:

Timmy84 said:

He actually seems like he loves his family and wants the best for them but is very emotionless which is no surprise since he came from an era where one sign of emotion from a man is a sign of weakness

The Off-the-Wall Accounting of Record Sales Confusion Over Songs vs. Albums
Scant Historical Data Amplify Tallies for Michael Jackson and Other Pop Superstars
July 2009

In the last three years of his life, long after the release of his final original album, Michael Jackson's career album sales took a curious leap.

For many years, Mr. Jackson's lifetime sales tally typically was reported at 200 million albums world-wide. But in late 2006, news articles began putting the number at 750 million, a figure that became part of the popular lore as Mr. Jackson was attempting a comeback. In the last few weeks, it has popped up in obituaries and retrospectives.

So how did the sales figure nearly quadruple? A likely explanation is that a rough tally of individual songs was misinterpreted or misrepresented to reflect album sales.

Such a numerical misstep is surprisingly easy to make in the world of album sales figures, where reliable information is spotty in the U.S., and often nonexistent overseas.

"When we were asked how many albums Michael Jackson sold, we were as embarrassed as anybody," says Adrian Strain, a spokesman for the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, a London-based trade group. "We had to go to the Guinness Book of World Records."

Inflated numbers aren't unique to Mr. Jackson. The Beatles' supposed one-billion-plus sales record also reflects an estimate of the number of songs, not albums, according to trackers of such landmarks. Other performers, such as AC/DC, Julio Iglesias and ABBA, supposedly are members of the 200 million album club, but compiled sales figures put their respective totals closer to 100 million.

The modern era of music measurement began in the U.S. in 1991, when retailers began transmitting sales reports electronically to Nielsen SoundScan. Before then, the iconic Billboard charts relied on rankings rather than absolute sales figures from record stores. The magazine didn't know whether, at a given store, the No. 1 album outsold all others combined, or whether they were more tightly bunched, so it assumed equal spacing in assembling its chart, according to Geoff Mayfield, former director of charts at Billboard. Once SoundScan started compiling actual sales totals, Billboard used those numbers instead.

Today, SoundScan covers about 95% of music sales in the U.S., according to Chris Muratore, vice president of retail relations and research services for Nielsen Entertainment. SoundScan calculates that Mr. Jackson's albums have sold 23 million copies since 1991 -- far more than Julio Iglesias's 5.1 million, but a far cry from the Beatles' 57.6 million.

But SoundScan doesn't track data by album outside the U.S. and Canada, and has no numbers prior to 1991 -- nine years after the release of "Thriller," Michael Jackson's biggest hit. Also, SoundScan doesn't include sales made to record labels' music-club members as part of their promotional offers of, say, 10 albums for a penny. "It's not a true consumer decision to purchase each one of those items," Mr. Muratore says.

SoundScan isn't the only source of sales data. In the U.S., the Recording Industry Association of America charges record labels a few hundred dollars to certify shipments of albums. The RIAA reported 61.5 million album sales by Mr. Jackson throughout his career, fewer than half the total for Garth Brooks, and only 17th in the U.S. overall.

But record labels don't always request certification, and sales might not be tracked for more than a short period of time after an album is released. On the other hand, the certified numbers might overstate sales if stores order more albums than they are able to sell.

RIAA shipment figures also are used to determine which albums can claim coveted "gold" status (500,000 albums sold in the U.S.); or platinum (one million albums).

Outside the U.S., industry trade groups have their own methods for tracking album sales, but the data aren't standardized or readily accessible. The IFPI, the international trade group, provides rankings and industrywide totals, not sales by a given artist or album.

Turning to the Guinness World Records won't yield more definitive information, either. In the record book's most recent entry on "Thriller" sales, Guinness notes that in 1982, "estimations from Sony and the Recording Industry Association of America put sales at over 55 million copies, although Jackson's management claims that international sales have pushed the total world-wide figure to over 100 million." Guinness concludes that "while it is impossible to verify the final global sales, there is no doubt that it remains the biggest-selling album of all time."


With so little hard data made available by the recording industry, amateur music-data trackers have stepped in to try to fill the void. These sleuths dig through certifications, SoundScan figures and other sources to compile sales by album and artist.

One such enthusiast, Lau Ho Hoi, who works for a construction firm in Hong Kong and posts on a popular U.K. online music forum, gained attention on the music blog Hitsville last week for his posts from 2004 compiling Mr. Jackson's sales by country. In an updated analysis, he calculated that the pop star sold 131.5 million albums world-wide, and 65.6 million singles. The total doesn't include digital downloads, which have taken off for Mr. Jackson since his death.

Guillaume Vieira, an engineer in Paris, has compiled his own totals for his Web site, Fan of Music. By his count, Michael Jackson had sold 205.5 million albums before his death, plus many millions more in singles and downloads.

It is an impressive total, and second only to the Beatles, but far fewer than 750 million. That figure first got legs in late 2006, when Raymone Bain, a publicist for Mr. Jackson at the time, touted in a letter to Jackson fan clubs that sales had "exceeded over 750 million units."

Units could be interpreted to mean a rough tally of the number of songs sold, not albums. But many journalists and fans interpreted the figure as albums sold, and a wildly inflated number was born.

Mr. Jackson's record label, Sony Music, declined to share sales numbers. Ms. Bain didn't respond to requests for comment; she sued Mr. Jackson in May after their business relationship ended. In her lawsuit, she claimed Mr. Jackson sold "over 1 billion records world-wide."

http://online.wsj.com/art...41407.html