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PrintableSandino said: candy2277 said: Ok, you say that you know and like MJ 's music because your parents exposed you to it but wouldn't this also apply to a young person who was exposed to Prince? There is a significant number of black people (since you referenced African-Americans) who like Prince more than MJ. Also, I'm older than you and I remember BET in the ol days used to play Prince and related artists a lot because Donnie Simspson was a big fan. Prince also got regular rotation on MTV. VH1 has run various Prince video marathons. Also, Purple Rain is played all the time on tv. Its actually on some cable station tonight. I know people who can recite lines to that movie LOL. I think you're making an argument based on your own personal experience and what you see in your immediate circle, which is okay, but there are two sides to your argument. NO, because post sign o the times ppl in the black community felt prince 'abandoned' them to make "white people music". I swear to God I've never EVER heard my parents play a prince song; I've lived in NY & in TX and I can tell you, I've been to many of my friends houses who are black or latino and never once heard them or their parents voluntarily play a Prince song. It's not just my immediate circle, it's a general consensus among the black community. and Donnie simpson  wasn't he around back in the 80's, c'mon man that's not recent. When I used to watch BET(late 90's early 00's) and some MTV I never saw Prince music come up, only heard about the controversy of him changing his name to an unpronounceable symbol, hell just look at how people view his magnum OPUS in comparisons to MJ. When thriller hit 25 it was re-released and people were disappointed that MTV didn't do a montage in one of their awards shows. Purple rain was released 25 years ago right? heard anything about it in the news? All I'm hearing about is woodstock. To further emphasize my point, if you don't believe me, then just look at movies and commercials. Execs put popular songs in their commercials and movies because it helps sell their product. Off the top of my head I can think of last year at the superbowl VITAMIN WATER using Thriller to sell their product with Naomi Campbell and Rush hour franchise with MJ. I can't think of a prince song that's been used in movies or commercials in recent years. Actually the last movie I could think of was batman
Prince just doesn't command the same kind of nostalgia in today's youth as MJ does, point blank. "NO, because post sign o the times ppl in the black community felt prince 'abandoned' them to make "white people music" Man anyone in the 90s who wasn't making gangsta music was considered white by a lot of ignorant black folks in the 90s. I remember Tupac accussing MJ of wanting to be white and he called Quincy Jones a sell out. There were a lot of people that felt TLC wasn't hood enough either. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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candy2277 said: Arnotts said: You are completely in denial if your pretending like Prince and Michael are viewed the same amongst young people. Of course most kids are into hip hop over either. But that doesnt change the fact that most of michaels hardcore fans ARE indeed very young. We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status). Havent you seen footage of the people around the world mourning him and holding vigils? They're all young. Are you American by the way? Because it probably is different in America with the age group thing. But here in Australia and all over Europe, Japan etc, most of his fans are very young. "We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status)." Check the above posts, because I stated the same thing in an earlier reply. "You are completely in denial if your pretending like Prince and Michael are viewed the same amongst young people." I stated that most young people are not following either one because their more into hip-hop are whatever the latest trend is with the exception of people in their fan bases. Again your words "We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status)." "Are you American by the way?" Yes [b] Every group of fans are minority among their peers. Not everyone is a fan of Michael Jacksons. People who are fans in their 30's are even more a minority in their age group. So I don't get what you're saying. I can see his American fan base is completely different to the rest of the world. All you have to do is look at who is mourning him overseas compared to in America. | |
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Arnotts said: candy2277 said: "We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status)." Check the above posts, because I stated the same thing in an earlier reply. "You are completely in denial if your pretending like Prince and Michael are viewed the same amongst young people." I stated that most young people are not following either one because their more into hip-hop are whatever the latest trend is with the exception of people in their fan bases. Again your words "We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status)." "Are you American by the way?" Yes [b] Every group of fans are minority among their peers. Not everyone is a fan of Michael Jacksons. People who are fans in their 30's are even more a minority in their age group. So I don't get what you're saying. I can see his American fan base is completely different to the rest of the world. All you have to do is look at who is mourning him overseas compared to in America. "Every group of fans are minority among their peers. Not everyone is a fan of Michael Jacksons". Exactly, that is the point I was trying to make all along. Great there is no more argument, now on my part. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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candy2277 said: Ok, it doesn't negate the fact that its not MJ or Prince that their bumping. BTW, thanks for informing me of the latest change in youth culture. Sure, no problem. Yeah most young people weren't listening to MJ on the regular but his hits would be played every so often on the radio or in the clubs. & like I said Thriller is #1 on the U.S.' Itunes (I don't know about other places) every Halloween. & if you watch dance shows like So You Think You Can Dance or any of the previous dance reality shows young people are very familiar with his work and can spot his style easily. & this past season of American Idol the contestants had to sing Michael's music. One of them who covered Billie Jean I think had a hit with that. Fall Out Boy covered Beat It. & Alien Ant Farm's version of Smooth Criminal was popular in '01. | |
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candy2277 said: Arnotts said: Every group of fans are minority among their peers. Not everyone is a fan of Michael Jacksons. People who are fans in their 30's are even more a minority in their age group. So I don't get what you're saying. I can see his American fan base is completely different to the rest of the world. All you have to do is look at who is mourning him overseas compared to in America. "Every group of fans are minority among their peers. Not everyone is a fan of Michael Jacksons". Exactly, that is the point I was trying to make all along. Great there is no more argument, now on my part. WTF? Your point was young people arent any more into Michael then they are into Prince. At least that was the point I was arguing that I saw you make. And you are completely wrong on that point considering most of Michaels fanbase is young whereas Princes isnt. Not only that but I'm quite positive even the casual young listener is much more into Michael than Prince. | |
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PFunkjazz said: I know for a fact there will be a massive migration of Maggots when George Clinton passes. We have talked about it for years at all the shows.
THAT's who I was going to add to the list, as well as Bootsy (...in my book, anyway). And of course  . | |
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Arnotts said: candy2277 said: "Every group of fans are minority among their peers. Not everyone is a fan of Michael Jacksons". Exactly, that is the point I was trying to make all along. Great there is no more argument, now on my part. WTF? Your point was young people arent any more into Michael then they are into Prince. At least that was the point I was arguing that I saw you make. And you are completely wrong on that point considering most of Michaels fanbase is young whereas Princes isnt. Not only that but I'm quite positive even the casual young listener is much more into Michael than Prince. Once again I'll post my point. I'll try to make this a little clearer. Point: Most young people are not following MJ, Prince or any other artist who is not hip-hop or whatever the latest music trend is (somebody earlier said elctro pop). I'm not saying that they don't like MJ/Prince or aren't fans but they don't follow them. Following them means posting on their websites. reading every article about them in magazine, going to every concert, buting t shirts, etc. For instance, I like Janet Jackson but I don't post on her fansite. I just don't follow her the way I do Prince. Young people by nature mostly follow artists of their generation because that is what is most familar to them. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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Arnotts said: candy2277 said: "Every group of fans are minority among their peers. Not everyone is a fan of Michael Jacksons". Exactly, that is the point I was trying to make all along. Great there is no more argument, now on my part. WTF? Your point was young people arent any more into Michael then they are into Prince. At least that was the point I was arguing that I saw you make. And you are completely wrong on that point considering most of Michaels fanbase is young whereas Princes isnt. Not only that but I'm quite positive even the casual young listener is much more into Michael than Prince. "And you are completely wrong on that point considering most of Michaels fanbase is young whereas Princes isnt." Prince's fanbase is diverse. He has fans of every race and age. I've seen all age ranges at his shows from eldery people with canes (I'm not lying) to teenagers. "Not only that but I'm quite positive even the casual young listener is much more into Michael than Prince" Where is the data, facts, evidence to support this statment? Also, why are you trying to put one against the other? Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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Both MJ and Prince are popular with young groups, not EVERYBODY is into hip-hop, you just have to search for them but they're there. I've seen it on MJ's boards and I'm likely seeing it on some Prince sites.
I think the reaction to MJ was different from everybody else's anyway because MJ was more like a childhood idol to millions and millions whereas artists like Elvis, Marvin and the like people will get into when they become teenagers. Hell he, Madonna  , Janet and Prince were my childhood idols but as I got older, I got into older artists and those "forgotten" ones. But you always remember who you grew up listening to and that was Michael. Plus to the world, Michael did a lot of other great things that some just remember. But also Michael's reaction had complex reactions that I don't think you'd ever get from other legendary luminaries nor do I expect them to anyway. I'll never wish for that much public reaction. Look at James, I didn't expect him to get the public reaction he got even if it was small compared to MJ's. | |
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Timmy84 said: Both MJ and Prince are popular with young groups, not EVERYBODY is into hip-hop, you just have to search for them but they're there. I've seen it on MJ's boards and I'm likely seeing it on some Prince sites.
I think the reaction to MJ was different from everybody else's anyway because MJ was more like a childhood idol to millions and millions whereas artists like Elvis, Marvin and the like people will get into when they become teenagers. Hell he, Madonna , Janet and Prince were my childhood idols but as I got older, I got into older artists and those "forgotten" ones. But you always remember who you grew up listening to and that was Michael. Plus to the world, Michael did a lot of other great things that some just remember. But also Michael's reaction had complex reactions that I don't think you'd ever get from other legendary luminaries nor do I expect them to anyway. I'll never wish for that much public reaction. Look at James, I didn't expect him to get the public reaction he got even if it was small compared to MJ's.Yeah I agree with what you're saying. I never said all young pople are into hip-hop because that would be stupid. I said most or the majority anyway. I know that there are young people into Prince because I've seen them at concerts and some post on this board. From what I see and hear, hip-hop continues to be the most driving force in youth culture. I don't think you can deny that. I'm not saying this because I like it. Personally I don't like it. For example, they say that to get young people into gospel music they're incorporating hip-hop into the music. At my church, they just started hip-hop sundays every 3 sundays to get young people into the church. At these sevices, the young get up and rap. Young people come from all over to hear these kids rap. When we have our regular choir, the place is half packed. I often hear these kids argue over who is the hottest rapper out now. Yeah MJ will have the most reaction from his death. I think that is a no brainer but I don't think Prince will be as small as some think. Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth". | |
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I think Michael Jackson was the CocaCola of pop music. Its always been there and you know it well no matter how old you are. It may not be your favorite but its always been there. Its like that all over the world. | |
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dreamfactory313 said: I think Michael Jackson was the CocaCola of pop music. Its always been there and you know it well no matter how old you are. It may not be your favorite but its always been there. Its like that all over the world.
I tend to think of MJ as a McDonald's. | |
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I thought this was a thread about celebs who will get a large reaction when they die - unfortunately its just another MJ is the greatest even when he 's dead blah blah blah thread. So tired of MJ lovers taking over every thread. Its so boring. | |
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Why is this thread still active?  We already established that few,if any,pop artists will get the same type of public reaction that MJ's death received.
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Sandino said: vainandy said: I don't think so at all. When Prince dies, I see his death being only mentioned on MTV (that is if they still have their news segments). I see VH1 maybe doing a day long marathon with things such as "Purple Rain" and some of the specials that he made for their network during the 1990s. As far as BET goes, I see them showing maybe "Purple Rain" or maybe "Under The Cherry Moon" if they even do that. Not to mention there is an entire new generation of shit hoppers many of which not only don't like Prince, but never did. The only reason they are all into Michael Jackson right now is because they were propped in front of the television set as infants, toddlers, and pre-teens to watch Michael Jackson as if they were watching "Barney" or "Sesame Street" so a part of their youth has died just like a part of our teenage years has died. Prince was never a part of their youth like Michael Jackson was. When Prince dies, I see very little being done and the world will go back to being shit hop as usual. I was in a club on New Year's Eve of 1998 and of 1999. If any two years should have played "1999" as soon as midnight came, it would have been those two. Instead, all night long was shit hop and when midnight arrived, it was still shit hop as usual. QFT this dude knows wtf is up. I'm 19 years old so I think I can relate to my culture. I can tell you know, everyone I know, regardless of race, remembers trying to do the moonwalk, or listening to Thriller or seeing smooth criminal or the other MJ videos. He was truly a pop star, and his videos were an event, similar to watching Captain Planet, looney tunes or Bebe's Kids. He was one of the many parts of our childhood we'll always remember. You know what youth today(my generation) remember about Prince? Dave Chappelle: "Game blouses" seriously, at most people my age remember switching the channel whenever Purple Rain(the movie) came on. Nobody really cares about prince or plays his music on radio stations(except for little red corvette & doves Cry). SO I doubt he'll get much outcry when he dies. I think Madonna will get something similar to MJ, and SW too if he croaks anytime soon while the baby boomers are still alive enough to care. ----- Your 19 you need not say anymore your knowledge it is limited as a lot of people your age think Lil Wayne is an icon(LOL) The African-American community will show P love if no one else bothers we don’t dis our own when they pass and that is all that is really going to matter. ----- | |
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