Arnotts said:

I know.

vainandy said:

QFT this dude knows wtf is up. I'm 19 years old so I think I can relate to my culture. I can tell you know, everyone I know, regardless of race, remembers trying to do the moonwalk, or listening to Thriller or seeing smooth criminal or the other MJ videos. He was truly a pop star, and his videos were an event, similar to watching Captain Planet, looney tunes or Bebe's Kids. He was one of the many parts of our childhood we'll always remember. You know what youth today(my generation) remember about Prince? Dave Chappelle: "Game blouses" seriously, at most people my age remember switching the channel whenever Purple Rain(the movie) came on. Nobody really cares about prince or plays his music on radio stations(except for little red corvette & doves Cry). SO I doubt he'll get much outcry when he dies. I think Madonna will get something similar to MJ, and SW too if he croaks anytime soon while the baby boomers are still alive enough to care.

trueiopian said:

My earlier post:

It's very complex..

If Michael had lived to be 75 years and died quietly in the night, yes he would have been missed, but not like this.

If he had contracted cancer and died in a slow and media haunted fashion, then once again, not like this.

He died with everyone looking at him to go in to action. He was 50 and about to blaze the stage one last time.

We have been robbed, and like all great robberies it comes unexpectantly and at a high cost.

So it is a phenominal death.

no one, i don't think. madonna will get the media coverage, but black folks (en masse, not counting a few gays here and there) ain't sittin' out NO WHERE having a vigil for her

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Sandino said:

Well, I disagree with you on young people being more into MJ than Prince. Most young people are not into either one. Most of these young people are into to the latest rap star. I don't find that may young people bumping MJ songs in their car radios. The ones who are saying how much they liked him once he died are phony and lying. Hell, I'm 32 and most people in my generation stopped following him after Thriller. Rap/Hi-Hop has been the strongest culture force in music in the last 25 years not MJ ( I'm not syaing this because I like it , though). Also, if you're 19, how do you remember Thriller?

datdude said:

Question: Did Luther Vandross get any vigils, tributes,or celebrations in the black community? I don't remember. Anyone who knows, please reply?

candy2277 said:

Well yes, your obviously not an MJ fan or ever been on an MJ forum site. I'd say 95% are 25 or under, and there are alot of MJ forums. I'm 19 myself. Which is exactly why I prefer coming to this prince site for the music- non prince discussion, people here tend to be older and more mature about their opnions on him. Its not fun discussing Michael with a bunch of teenagers.
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I may be in a minority on this board but I was shocked by the positive response from people regarding MJ's death. I visit tons of message boards and listen to talk radio and some of the negative things said about him, in the last couple of years of his life, in relation to his various scandals, led me to believe that most people didn't like him. On the other hand, I have heard postive things about Prince since the musicology tour. The only time that I've heard anything negative is by peple making references to what they perceive his sexuality to be. Prince may get more coverage than we think but still not the same as MJ, which is mostly negative, anyway. However, I can guarantee you that Prince will get a lot of accolades from his peers in the industry; he seems to be well respected.

Arnotts said:

Excuse me. Where did I say that I'm not a fan of MJ? If you say that the majority of people on MJ forums are young, I'm not going to dspute you, but that doesn't encompass youth culture in general. Rap/Hip-Hop has been the most popular music for young people, although it has been declining recently.

LETS NOT FORGET ANNA NICOLE SMITH A F RATE CELEBRITY GOT SO MUCH PUBLICITY BECAUSE OF THE WAY SHE DIED.
she died the same way as MJ

candy2277 said:

Well I said in another thread that I'm 23 and I have to agree with Vainandy. A lot of people my age love MJ. We love his music videos, performances, dance moves, and songs. Many did turn off of him towards the last decade but he wasn't really doing anything. Invincible wasn't that great. But every Halloween Thriller was always #1 on Itunes and was played on the radio. He wasn't forgotten by the younger generation.

midnightmover said:

Smells like bullshit.

StillDirrty said:

Most young people are into rap/hip-hop not MJ, Prince, or any other singer who is not hip-hop. If you believe otherwise, you're delusional. Yes, they have heard MJ and Prince because their older relatives probably played their music while growing up but when they're chilling with their friends, hanging in the clubs, or playing music in their cars its hip-hop. Young people view hip-hop as the voice of their generation.

candy2277 said:

Actually rap/hip hop has been dead for a while now. It's all about electro-pop now. Rappers just use auto-tune to blend in case in point Kanye's latest album.

StillDirrty said:

Ok, it doesn't negate the fact that its not MJ or Prince that their bumping. BTW, thanks for informing me of the latest change in youth culture. Sorry, but I have tuned out most of popular music since 1996, but I do observe what I see around me. Kanye West, Usher, and Lil Wayne are all the same to me LOL.

candy2277 said:

no vigils for Luther, lots of talk and playing of his music on (black) radio.

there were countries where madonna was/is banned, it won't get the traction in black america if she passes. anna nicole did die under similar circumstances, media coverage for madonna but again, WORLDWIDE fan reaction, vigils, celebrations, i don't think it'll be the same. for ANYONE

candy2277 said:

Well, I never said that we bump his music in our raidios, I said he was apart of our childhood, in the same way that any american black person who's, say 40 or under WILL get up on the dancefloor if they hear "This is how we do it". I was 5 when that joint came out. I don't bump that in my ride, but if I hear it on michael baisden or whatever, or if me and my friends are at a fam reunion we know what time it is. .That's the relevance that MJ's music has on us that Prince doesn't. Because he was so popular, we were naturally going to hear and enjoy his music as kids from our parents. I've got friends BEFORE MJ died who could imitate MJ to a T, I've actually seen us argue about Prince vs. MJ, just after we'd been arguing about j-holiday vs neyo. Also as for your last question, bro do you know how many times they've replayed Thriller, beat it, smooth criminal & billie jean on MTV/BET over the years. Everyone in america's seen thriller.

Sandino said:

Ok, you say that you know and like MJ 's music because your parents exposed you to it but wouldn't this also apply to a young person who was exposed to Prince? There is a significant number of black people (since you referenced African-Americans) who like Prince more than MJ. Also, I'm older than you and I remember BET in the ol days used to play Prince and related artists a lot because Donnie Simspson was a big fan. Prince also got regular rotation on MTV. VH1 has run various Prince video marathons. Also, Purple Rain is played all the time on tv. Its actually on some cable station tonight. I know people who can recite lines to that movie LOL. I think you're making an argument based on your own personal experience and what you see in your immediate circle, which is okay, but there are two sides to your argument.

Sandino said:

I love that movie, even have the soundtrack.

I've noticed that kids usually don't like having to search for things, so they tend to fluctuate towards things that are usually thrown in their faces constantly and non-stop. That's why Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Bros are relevant...yes, I've heard what they have to offer and it's weaker than an opened, 2 month old bottle of soda. When it comes to actual hardcore talent, they really don't have any. What they have is gimmicks and some people fall very easily for gimmicks. If older artists were to be on TV and radio non-stop, than they would be just as relevant to the younger generation, so that's probably why many of them sellout to this new and shitty sound that is saturating the music industry nowadays.

I've met only a few younger people who are willing think outside of the box and go to a vinyl or old school wrecka stow. If their friends are digging it and it's constantly on the radio, then it's a done deal and some crappy new artist is going to go platinum. I can't really blame all of it on the kids though, I've met quite a few older people digging some of this vapid shit, so to them Shame on you...now hand over your Ipod and go to your room.

I think Madonna will get a big sendoff, but no where near as big as Michael's. Madonna doesn't have as big or as truly diverse of an audience as Michael and that's obvious by just looking at the amount of copies that 'Thriller' alone sold and all the different types of people that were mourning him during all those televised broadcasts throughout the world. Michael crossed every boundary with his music and celebrity. People of every race know who Michael Jackson was whether they were a fan or not. I don't think any other public figure will get this type of a send-off. Michael was the last huge star, all the other stars are much smaller than him (just my ). I think Prince, Madonna, Stevie, and several other classic musical greats will be honored respectfully, but none like Michael; none like the King of Pop.

candy2277 said:

I'm 28 and I remember when older Michael videos (I remember when 'Moonwalker' came out ) actually world premiered as well as when Prince hosted that Vh1 special with Mayte. Soo Cute. Prince and Michael were always different. In a nutshell, Michael was the extrovert; Prince was the introvert. More people saw Michael outside of making music and touring, but Prince was never that public. I think that will be a big factor when it comes down to how people will react to Prince's passing (please no time soon...please ).

Everybody who is old enough to comprehend music knows a least one Prince song or who he is, but unlike Michael, Prince was never considered kid-friendly. Prince is actually the artist who caused the Parental Advisory sticker after Tipper Gore heard one of her kids listening to 'Darling Nikki'. Michael barely ever talked dirty or overly-sexual in his songs and he definitely wasn't going to make a movie like 'Purple Rain'. To me, they were always total opposites, so it still confuses me to this day why people insist on comparing them soo much...they were really nothing alike in my opinion. If I was going to compare Michael to any big, 80s artist, it would be Madonna, because she's never far from the public eye even when it comes to her private life. Prince was a whole different side of the spectrum. He has definitely crossed many barriers in his own right and left his mark on history, so his legacy will live on long after he's gone.

I wonder if the other Jackson boys will get anything remotely close to the reaction MJ got. Even though they didn't reach world wide popularity like MJ they did with J5. I know the J5 was very popular and a lot of people grew up with their music , seeing them in concerts and the variety show.

PS- This topic is sick

candy2277 said:

You are completely in denial if your pretending like Prince and Michael are viewed the same amongst young people. Of course most kids are into hip hop over either. But that doesnt change the fact that most of michaels hardcore fans ARE indeed very young. We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status). Havent you seen footage of the people around the world mourning him and holding vigils? They're all young. Are you American by the way? Because it probably is different in America with the age group thing. But here in Australia and all over Europe, Japan etc, most of his fans are very young.

estelle81 said:

Exactly, I agree with everything you said. I too remember those momements. Oh, the good ol days when celebrities were actually interesting . You're four years younger than me but we're still the same generation.

Arnotts said:

"We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status)." Check the above posts, because I stated the same thing in an earlier reply.

"You are completely in denial if your pretending like Prince and Michael are viewed the same amongst young people." I stated that most young people are not following either one because their more into hip-hop are whatever the latest trend is with the exception of people in their fan bases. Again your words "We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status)."

"Are you American by the way?" Yes [b]

candy2277 said:

"We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status)." Check the above posts, because I stated the same thing in an earlier reply.[b]

"You are completely in denial if your pretending like Prince and Michael are viewed the same amongst young people." I stated that most young people are not following either one because their more into hip-hop are whatever the latest trend is with the exception of people in their fan bases. Again your words "We're a minority among young people in general, but a majority amongst the fan group (and again I'm talking hardcore fan status)."

"Are you American by the way?" Yes

Please disregard earlier post - computer errors

candy2277 said:

NO, because post sign o the times ppl in the black community felt prince 'abandoned' them to make "white people music". I swear to God I've never EVER heard my parents play a prince song; I've lived in NY & in TX and I can tell you, I've been to many of my friends houses who are black or latino and never once heard them or their parents voluntarily play a Prince song. It's not just my immediate circle, it's a general consensus among the black community. and Donnie simpson wasn't he around back in the 80's, c'mon man that's not recent. When I used to watch BET(late 90's early 00's) and some MTV I never saw Prince music come up, only heard about the controversy of him changing his name to an unpronounceable symbol, hell just look at how people view his magnum OPUS in comparisons to MJ. When thriller hit 25 it was re-released and people were disappointed that MTV didn't do a montage in one of their awards shows. Purple rain was released 25 years ago right? heard anything about it in the news? All I'm hearing about is woodstock. To further emphasize my point, if you don't believe me, then just look at movies and commercials. Execs put popular songs in their commercials and movies because it helps sell their product. Off the top of my head I can think of last year at the superbowl VITAMIN WATER using Thriller to sell their product with Naomi Campbell and Rush hour franchise with MJ. I can't think of a prince song that's been used in movies or commercials in recent years. Actually the last movie I could think of was batman

Prince just doesn't command the same kind of nostalgia in today's youth as MJ does, point blank.

Sandino said:

I live in CA and have lived in the south. I also have relatives, friends, and associates from all across the coutnry who like Prince and follow his music and I'm sure they have exposed it to their kids and younger relatives. BTW, I'm African-American and the people I'm referring to are black, as well. I'm sorry but I missed the news about Thriller turning 25. I agree with you that Prince's popularity took a nose dive in the 90s but so did Michael Jackson. Michael was accused of child molestation, people kept questioning his changing facial features, there was the baby dangling incident and other incidents which are too long to recount. I heard a lot of young people calling him weird. When you heard of Michael in the press it was always about something strange not about his music. also, Michael's music in the late 90s and early 2000s was the lowest selling of his career. As far as commericals, I'v seen commercials that use corny 60s music to sell products. They usually use songs that fit the theme of what they're trying to sell. How do you know if Prince has not been approached to use his songs in commercial ads? Prince would never agree to do this anyway. He doesn't even allow his songs to be put on you tube.

Sandino said:

Where are you getting this general consensus aamong black people from? Talk about over generalization to make a point. Also, controversy about changing one's name becaue of record comapy exploitation is vastly different than controversy surrounding criminal charges and drug abouse claims. Many people today understand what Prince was trying to say back in the 90s with his name change and its not that big of a deal anymore. The same cannot be said about Michael Jackson and what he has been accused of.