midiscover said:

I will right now, byt the way, here is the last post from that thread.


Pleae use MJ stickies. Thanks.


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***CAN WE PLEASE RE-OPEN THE JERMAINE AND RANDY THREAD THAT I CREATED!***

midiscover said:

Yea! Why did they lock it!?!

Here's a song written and produced by Marlon (and his wife Carol) for Barry White.

Here's a song written and produced by Marlon (and his wife Carol) for Barry White.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

This is very nice!
Does Randy have any unreleased tracks??

midiscover said:

I'm lookin right now. There is a lot for Marlon BTW!! Brother was busy.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

What about Jermaine?
and do you know why Randy & the Gypsys just stopped out of nowhere
love the self-titled album so much!

midiscover said:

Oh, Jermaine got plenty. He discovered Switch, DeBarge family and has produced many artist.
Randy & the Gypsys, I heard Randy was scared. Scared of success, being onstage without his brothers, ect cause dude had it. AT and A&M showcase (label he was on) he didn't want to go onstage.

Jackie Jackson

In October 1973, big brother Jackie decided to step up to the plate to release his own solo project following the lead of siblings Michael & Jermaine. The outcome resulted in one of the most overlooked and undervalued soul albums of all time. When most folks mention The Jackson 5 the first thing that comes to most folks' mind is "bubblegum soul". Anyone who may have written Jackie's self-titled debut off as just another teeny-bopper disc clearly missed the boat. What the album turned out to be was a glimpse at a maturing Jackie stepping out to try his hand at a more adult style. Listening to the album, paying attention close to its production and vocal delivery, you might find it easy to make comparisons between Jackson and many of the falsetto-fueled acts of the day like The Delfonics, Eddie Holman or The Stylistics. Who knows, maybe that's part of the reason the LP stalled before reaching the status it deserves. My theories (yes, I have more than one about what could've gone awry) go like this...


[Sidebar: Bear in mind, I was still in diapers when this all happened so this is all speculation and I could be totally off-base here.]

For your consideration...

Theorem 1) Too Much of a Good Thing?
In 1973, Motown issued Jackie's album along with the three other Jackson-Motown projects that year; Michael's Music & Me, Jermaine's Come Into My Life, and the group's LP Skywriter. One can see that Motown was really trying to flood the market with Jackson product and repeat the successes it had doing the same just the year before. Now the Jackson 5 was basically marketed towards a pre- to mid-teen audience and while that age group is statistically shown to have the most disposable income, maybe expecting a 12 year old girl to go out & scarf up 4 albums with her hard-earned baby-sitting money was a bit too unrealistic.

Theorem 2) For Whom was this Album Truly Intended?
If someone in 1973 looking for the average "Jackson 5 sound" were to buy Jackie's album and realize they'd wound up with a ballad-heavy, Delfonics-sound-alike record instead, that might make for some disappointed listeners. Perhaps this new direction Jackie's producers decided to take strayed too far from what their core audience was used to. On the other side of the coin, coming right after hits like "Little Bitty Pretty One", "Got To Be There" & "Rockin' Robin" perhaps the freshly reinforced stigma of "bubblegum" was firmly stuck in the minds of the post-teen to adult record buying public and seeing the name Jackie Jackson emblazoned across the front of an album cover coupled with little to no promotion from the label to help showcase this new side of Jackson wasn't doing the trick to attract an older ear who might be more appreciative of and receptive to a more sophisticated sound.

While an argument could be made that Jermaine's debut solo album issued one year prior seemed to go for a more adult sound, yet still sold well; there are major difference between each projects that invalidate the point. Jermaine already had an excellent head start as a solo act since he was already being viewed as a strong secondary lead within the group. Jackie never had a solo number or sang more than one or two lead lines at best. Another thing to keep in mind was that Jermaine's solo project had the magnificent Motown Marketing Machine behind it. Promotion for his album was well orchestrated and played a key role in it's market performance. At radio, Jermaine had two singles generating a buzz, Jackie never even got one. In concerts and appearances, Jermaine was given a spotlight to perform songs from his album. Heck, the family was featured in an entire episode of Soul Train where Jermaine was featured in his own segment to promote his set complete with a short film and an extra interview with Don Cornelius.

Theories aside, the fact remains, that due very little promotion and no single releases, Jackson's sole Motown solo album quickly became rack job fodder. My sister nabbed her copy (now mine) for a whopping 88 cents at Mays department store in NY back in '76 or '77.

[Sidebar: C'mon you remember rack jobs right?? Those record racks you used to see at your local drug store, car wash or supermarket that had the albums with the corners chopped off or had saw marks or holes cut thru the jackets??... No??.... Never mind, I think just dated myself.]

Even though no official singles were issued, the cut, "Love Don't Wanna Leave" has popped up on several Jackson 5 comps over the years. Three times to be exact. The first being 1976's Anthology set, the second appearance was on the original CD reissue of the same set again in 1986 (it was left off the 2000 re-reissue). The third and final chance to get the track was on the 1995 25th Anniversary boxed set, Soulsation. All three compilations are currently out of print. Way to go Motown!!!

This album hasn't been reissued in any format as far as I know but if you're in the market for your own copy, you can usually find one pretty reasonably priced here or even here.

Featured cut: "Love Don't Want To Leave"

LittleBLUECorvette said:

What a shame! He's so talented

http://originalsoul4life....on-st.html

Great read! On one of the most overlooked albums ever!

http://www.youtube.com/wa...FIqdrBBun0

http://www.youtube.com/wa...7YTkt1l--w

http://www.youtube.com/wa...dZEsg5Q2TQ

http://www.youtube.com/wa...V_aXhIttUI

Marlon on the Late Show and Randy & The Gypys' music video.

The original Jacksons.





The Jackons story begin in 1962 when the 3 eldest boys; Jackie, Tito and Jermaine begin performing. Here they are performing in 1990.

(PS. Where is Randy at??)

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Hmm...

LBC, I remember that song vaguely, did those three cut an ablum?

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Thanks for posting this! I LOVE this song

The original Jacksons.





The Jackons story begin in 1962 when the 3 eldest boys; Jackie, Tito and Jermaine begin performing. Here they are performing in 1990.

(PS. Where is Randy at??)

Ok, here is my review on Marlon's BABY TONIGHT LP released in July of 87 (right before lil bro Mike's BAD LP.)

The first single "Don't Go" is easily the best thing on this album, easily. It charted at #2 on the RnB charts. The second single, the title cut charted at #25, it doesn't compare to "Don't Go."

Considering most say he has a weak voice, the one ballad and one mid-tempo are the best things on this album, (save "Don't Go.") The ballad "Where Do I Stand?" is actually pretty good, and the mid-tempo groove of "Lovely Eyes" should have been his second single in-place of the title track.

Here is my ranking on the ten tracks (11, if you had the CD version!)

1. Don't Go
2. Lovely Eyes
3. Where Do I Stand?
-
4. Life: Nasty bass line and features his wife Carol on chorus.
5. To Get Away
6. When Will You Surrender
7. Baby Tonight
8. Something Coming Down
9. Everyday, Every night (CD only track)
10. Talk 2-U
11. She Never Cried