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PrintableSwa said: A sad reality hit me tonight - and maybe it is an obvious one but hear me out.
Tonight I was talking to friends who had tickets to what would have been MJ's opening night tonight and I was thinking about the tickets I had for shows later in the tour. And then I thought about my life as an MJ fan which has been since I was five and it hit me... from the first time I bought Off the Wall there has never been a time in my life when a) Michael's music wasn't there and b) there wasn't something exciting to look forward to. Even in the midst of the whole allegations you knew there was going to be something more, some new music from Michael. When Thriller came out you knew there was going to be more. When Dangerous came out you knew there was going to be more. When HiStory and Invincible came out you knew there was going to be more. And even as the past few years dragged on you knew Michael was recording tracks, you knew there was going to be more. There was always this optimism in me that Michael was going to bring the goods again. I had seen in time and time again. In the face of the WACKO JACKO backlash of post BAD Michael brought the goods of Dangerous. In the face of the backlash of the whole Chandler allegations Michael brought the goods in the form of his most personal work in HiStory. And in the backlash of Invincible you knew there was going to be something more, he was going to bring the goods. And as we talked about what might have been with This Is It, it made me realised that with Michael's death, so too did my optimism and excitement for something new. From now on, sadly, there will be no new music from Michael. Instead we may get unreleased works but they will be tinged with the sadness of what could have been, instead of the joy of what could be. Now, what do we have to look forward to? Swa I sure know what you mean, swa. I thought about that too and unfortunately you are right about any unreleased stuff. There is a closure in all this which I didn't want to feel before he turned 75 or so. I will appreciate all the artists who I love and who are still around more. I will try to attend as many of their concerts or whatever they do as possible. So many great artists have passed this decade... BlueNote | |
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Jul 14 2009 9:17 AM EDT
Michael Jackson Fans Gather For Vigil At London's O2 Arena Hundreds honor MJ on the night he was scheduled to kick off This Is It concerts. By Gil Kaufman Monday was supposed to be the triumphant kickoff of Michael Jackson's 50-date This Is It concert series at the O2 Arena in London. Instead, a few hundred fans gathered outside the venue to honor Jackson, who died suddenly on June 25, leaving 750,000 fans with tickets to a comeback that is not to be. The supporters, some dressed in Jackson drag, lit candles, danced, left flowers, wrote messages and watched classic clips of Jackson performances on a big screen outside the venue, where a makeshift memorial had been set up. Reuters reported that some of the fans, presumably among the nearly three-quarters of a million who purchased tickets to the shows, sat under the screen that read "Michael Jackson 1958-2009," while others led sing-a-longs of his greatest hits. "This was going to be the best summer of my life," said one fan named Michael. "I was going to go to five shows altogether; it would have been fantastic. I can't believe rather than coming here to see him perform, I'm here to mourn. ... It's devastating, it really is." Another fan named Will told the news service that he and his friends came to the arena on Monday night "even if there's no gig tonight. We're making our own gig, our own carnival atmosphere; we're making this what it would have been if Michael had been here." The promoter of the shows, Los Angeles-based AEG Live, has offered fans a full refund for their tickets or the opportunity to hold onto the commemorative ticket. So far, around 40 percent have chosen the latter option, which could help AEG recoup some of the tens of millions it had invested in the sold-out run of shows. BBC News reported that Jackson supporters from all over the world congregated outside the 23,000-seat arena, some drawn by messages on fan sites and Facebook encouraging them to bring flowers and candles for the vigil. In all, around 600 visited on Monday night, observing a moment of silence around 6:30 local time, the hour when the doors to the venue would have opened. "We should have been going to the concert, but we're standing here instead," said Jesper Hauton, 31, who had tickets to the shows. "It doesn't make any sense." Joe Jackson told ABC News earlier this week that he believes his son was not healthy enough to perform 50 concerts, and was pushed to agree to the schedule. AEG Live boss Randy Phillips released a statement countering that it was Michael who asked to up the shows from the original 10 to 50. For now, no shows have been announced to replace the Jackson run at the O2, but AEG Live boss Randy Phillips has said that the company is in discussions with Jackson's family about possibly mounting a tribute show in late August that could use some of the staging and performers who were to appear in the This Is It shows. source: http://www.mtv.com/news/a...hael.jhtml Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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BlueNote said: Swa said: A sad reality hit me tonight - and maybe it is an obvious one but hear me out.
Tonight I was talking to friends who had tickets to what would have been MJ's opening night tonight and I was thinking about the tickets I had for shows later in the tour. And then I thought about my life as an MJ fan which has been since I was five and it hit me... from the first time I bought Off the Wall there has never been a time in my life when a) Michael's music wasn't there and b) there wasn't something exciting to look forward to. Even in the midst of the whole allegations you knew there was going to be something more, some new music from Michael. When Thriller came out you knew there was going to be more. When Dangerous came out you knew there was going to be more. When HiStory and Invincible came out you knew there was going to be more. And even as the past few years dragged on you knew Michael was recording tracks, you knew there was going to be more. There was always this optimism in me that Michael was going to bring the goods again. I had seen in time and time again. In the face of the WACKO JACKO backlash of post BAD Michael brought the goods of Dangerous. In the face of the backlash of the whole Chandler allegations Michael brought the goods in the form of his most personal work in HiStory. And in the backlash of Invincible you knew there was going to be something more, he was going to bring the goods. And as we talked about what might have been with This Is It, it made me realised that with Michael's death, so too did my optimism and excitement for something new. From now on, sadly, there will be no new music from Michael. Instead we may get unreleased works but they will be tinged with the sadness of what could have been, instead of the joy of what could be. Now, what do we have to look forward to? Swa I sure know what you mean, swa. I thought about that too and unfortunately you are right about any unreleased stuff. There is a closure in all this which I didn't want to feel before he turned 75 or so. I will appreciate all the artists who I love and who are still around more. I will try to attend as many of their concerts or whatever they do as possible. So many great artists have passed this decade... BlueNote Totally. If he had retired it would have been different. I think when Prince decides to stop producing music it will be a sad day but one with an intent so one not unexpected. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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I heard about the "secret negotiations" that are going on between Debbie Rowe and Katherine Jackson.That's why the custody trial was delayed for one week.Debbie is just trying to get some more money out of the Jacksons  She will give up her custody fight but only if the price is right.What a sorry excuse for a "mother".
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SoulAlive said: Countthedays said: Nancy Grace Michael Jackson coverage...
I hate this bitch but on a recent show,she admitted that she used to be a fan of MJ  She said that,as a child,she would watch Soul Train and try to imitate his dance moves.I won´t even watch that. I can´t stand her. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: SoulAlive said: I hate this bitch but on a recent show,she admitted that she used to be a fan of MJ She said that,as a child,she would watch Soul Train and try to imitate his dance moves.I won´t even watch that. I can´t stand her. She's the most annoying piece of trash on TV | |
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SoulAlive said: I heard about the "secret negotiations" that are going on between Debbie Rowe and Katherine Jackson.That's why the custody trial was delayed for one week.Debbie is just trying to get some more money out of the Jacksons
She will give up her custody fight but only if the price is right.What a sorry excuse for a "mother".
... [Edited 7/14/09 6:49am] But she isn't a mother. | |
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Graycap23 said: SoulAlive said: I heard about the "secret negotiations" that are going on between Debbie Rowe and Katherine Jackson.That's why the custody trial was delayed for one week.Debbie is just trying to get some more money out of the Jacksons
She will give up her custody fight but only if the price is right.What a sorry excuse for a "mother".
But she isn't a mother. True,so I guess we shouldn't be surprised by her actions,lol. | |
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SoulAlive said: I heard about the "secret negotiations" that are going on between Debbie Rowe and Katherine Jackson.That's why the custody trial was delayed for one week.Debbie is just trying to get some more money out of the Jacksons
She will give up her custody fight but only if the price is right.What a sorry excuse for a "mother".
... [Edited 7/14/09 6:49am] Don't jump to conclusions. I heard yesterday it was a secret pact between Katherine and Debbie to allow visitations for her and Katherine to raise the kids - seems neither of them want Joe involved. Who knows the truth. The media at the moment will play every angle hoping to spin more sales. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Graycap23 said: SoulAlive said: I heard about the "secret negotiations" that are going on between Debbie Rowe and Katherine Jackson.That's why the custody trial was delayed for one week.Debbie is just trying to get some more money out of the Jacksons
She will give up her custody fight but only if the price is right.What a sorry excuse for a "mother".
... [Edited 7/14/09 6:49am] But she isn't a mother. No, she's not! She's just the goose that laid the golden eggs!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: This from today's New York Post...so take it with a grain of salt but if there is one ounce of truth to it...people thinking Michael Jackson was malicious and dastardly for keeping Debbie Rowe away from his children...might want to REALLY think about the kind of person Ms. Rowe ACTUALLY is!
http://www.nypost.com/sev...179174.htm DEBBIE ROWE DROPS CUSTODY FIGHT $4M MOTHER LODE FOR MICHAEL JACKSON EX By KATE SHEEHY Last updated: 9:01 am July 14, 2009 Posted: 2:55 am July 14, 2009 Michael Jackson's baby mama Debbie Rowe has sold her kids again -- this time squeezing about $4 million from her former mother-in-law in exchange for giving up her parental rights, a family source told The Post yesterday. "It's one final payday," the disgusted Jackson confidant said. The family isn't happy about the mega-payout -- which was set to be sealed in Los Angeles yesterday afternoon -- but they consider it a necessary evil, the source said. "They felt it was like a ransom-type thing. [Rowe] jumped back into the picture because she wanted money," the friend said. 'POP' JACKSON ART AUCTION IS POSTPONED JANET JACKSON BEATS $120M SUIT CINDY: ELIZABETH TAYLOR GOES TO HOSPITAL ACHING FOR JACKSON ONGOING MICHAEL JACKSON COVERAGE Rowe -- a former dental assistant who bore a boy and girl for Jacko -- had forfeited her parental rights once before in exchange for big bucks. After the birth of son Prince Michael, now 12, and daughter Paris, 11, she agreed to allow Jackson to raise them in exchange for a lump sum of $8 million, plus $900,000 annually for five years, the source said. When Jacko was accused of child molestation in 2001, Rowe resurfaced to reclaim her rights. But she wound up giving her ex-husband full custody of the kids anyway -- in exchange for another $4 million plus a $900,000 home. This time around, she is forfeiting her restored parental rights to Jackson's mom, Katherine, in exchange for yet another roughly $4 million, the family source said. "This would be it. This takes away any rights she has to challenge custody at any given time," the source said. "If something happens to Katherine, [Rowe] can't challenge the next [guardian], whether that be Diana Ross or someone in the family." Neither lawyers for Rowe nor Katherine Jackson returned phone calls or e-mails. While it had been thought that Rowe was demanding that Jacko's abusive father, Joe, have nothing to do with the kids, the source said there is no such language in the agreement. Still, the family will keep him in check, the source said. Joe Jackson is reportedly pushing his dead son's children -- also including Prince Michael II, a k a "Blanket," born to an unidentified surrogate using donor sperm -- to form a new group, The Jackson 3. But "that's something the family would absolutely not tolerate," the source said. The King of Pop's siblings are themselves involved in a venture that has become much more lucrative since his death. Jacko's five remaining brothers were filming an A&E pilot for what they hoped would be a reality series about them launching a reunion tour. While the five initially agreed to be paid a total of between $200,000 and $300,000 for the pilot, they now want to add footage of Michael's funeral into the mix -- and boost their take to "between $10 million and $20 million," the family source said. Jacko's body -- still undergoing testing as part of a police probe -- was abruptly moved from its temporary resting place in a crypt at the famed Forest Lawn Cemetery in the Hollywood Hills last week. It now rests in a refrigerated unit in the basement of the cemetery's main building for security reasons, according to the site RadarOnline.com.  | |
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Speaking of opening night... has an official set list been released yet?
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SoulAlive said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: This from today's New York Post...so take it with a grain of salt but if there is one ounce of truth to it...people thinking Michael Jackson was malicious and dastardly for keeping Debbie Rowe away from his children...might want to REALLY think about the kind of person Ms. Rowe ACTUALLY is!
http://www.nypost.com/sev...179174.htm DEBBIE ROWE DROPS CUSTODY FIGHT $4M MOTHER LODE FOR MICHAEL JACKSON EX By KATE SHEEHY Last updated: 9:01 am July 14, 2009 Posted: 2:55 am July 14, 2009 Michael Jackson's baby mama Debbie Rowe has sold her kids again -- this time squeezing about $4 million from her former mother-in-law in exchange for giving up her parental rights, a family source told The Post yesterday. "It's one final payday," the disgusted Jackson confidant said. The family isn't happy about the mega-payout -- which was set to be sealed in Los Angeles yesterday afternoon -- but they consider it a necessary evil, the source said. "They felt it was like a ransom-type thing. [Rowe] jumped back into the picture because she wanted money," the friend said. 'POP' JACKSON ART AUCTION IS POSTPONED JANET JACKSON BEATS $120M SUIT CINDY: ELIZABETH TAYLOR GOES TO HOSPITAL ACHING FOR JACKSON ONGOING MICHAEL JACKSON COVERAGE Rowe -- a former dental assistant who bore a boy and girl for Jacko -- had forfeited her parental rights once before in exchange for big bucks. After the birth of son Prince Michael, now 12, and daughter Paris, 11, she agreed to allow Jackson to raise them in exchange for a lump sum of $8 million, plus $900,000 annually for five years, the source said. When Jacko was accused of child molestation in 2001, Rowe resurfaced to reclaim her rights. But she wound up giving her ex-husband full custody of the kids anyway -- in exchange for another $4 million plus a $900,000 home. This time around, she is forfeiting her restored parental rights to Jackson's mom, Katherine, in exchange for yet another roughly $4 million, the family source said. "This would be it. This takes away any rights she has to challenge custody at any given time," the source said. "If something happens to Katherine, [Rowe] can't challenge the next [guardian], whether that be Diana Ross or someone in the family." Neither lawyers for Rowe nor Katherine Jackson returned phone calls or e-mails. While it had been thought that Rowe was demanding that Jacko's abusive father, Joe, have nothing to do with the kids, the source said there is no such language in the agreement. Still, the family will keep him in check, the source said. Joe Jackson is reportedly pushing his dead son's children -- also including Prince Michael II, a k a "Blanket," born to an unidentified surrogate using donor sperm -- to form a new group, The Jackson 3. But "that's something the family would absolutely not tolerate," the source said. The King of Pop's siblings are themselves involved in a venture that has become much more lucrative since his death. Jacko's five remaining brothers were filming an A&E pilot for what they hoped would be a reality series about them launching a reunion tour. While the five initially agreed to be paid a total of between $200,000 and $300,000 for the pilot, they now want to add footage of Michael's funeral into the mix -- and boost their take to "between $10 million and $20 million," the family source said. Jacko's body -- still undergoing testing as part of a police probe -- was abruptly moved from its temporary resting place in a crypt at the famed Forest Lawn Cemetery in the Hollywood Hills last week. It now rests in a refrigerated unit in the basement of the cemetery's main building for security reasons, according to the site RadarOnline.com. The same story is being reported on ABCNews.com but they name their source! 
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: SoulAlive said: The same story is being reported on ABCNews.com but they name their source!
http://www.abcnews.go.com...642&page=1 what's most disturbing is,they STILL haven't buried Michael. | |
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SoulAlive said: what's most disturbing is,they STILL haven't buried Michael. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Swa said: SoulAlive said: what's most disturbing is,they STILL haven't buried Michael. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that. Swa Or so they say. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: SoulAlive said: The same story is being reported on ABCNews.com but they name their source!
http://www.abcnews.go.com...642&page=1 Well they name Stacy Brown - who (ghost) co-wrote the book with Bob Jones - I'm sure this JACKSON CONFIDENT like all the others of the peripheral is penning another book. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Graycap23 said: Swa said: I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that. Swa Or so they say. Yeah, I kind of believe they did it during that private service they had before the televised memorial. | |
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Graycap23 said: Swa said: I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that. Swa Or so they say. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: SoulAlive said: The same story is being reported on ABCNews.com but they name their source!
http://www.abcnews.go.com...642&page=1 Hot DAMN, she dropped the idea of seeking custody damned fast once they put that $4 million check on the table. I thought SoulAlive was being harsh to say Rowe was just putting the squeeze on them for more dough, but oh, well. | |
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Swa said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: The same story is being reported on ABCNews.com but they name their source!
http://www.abcnews.go.com...642&page=1 Well they name Stacy Brown - who (ghost) co-wrote the book with Bob Jones - I'm sure this JACKSON CONFIDENT like all the others of the peripheral is penning another book. Swa Perhaps, probably and more than likely but what does that have to do with Debbie Rowe selling away her children once AGAIN? I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Ottensen said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: The same story is being reported on ABCNews.com but they name their source!
http://www.abcnews.go.com...642&page=1 Hot DAMN, she dropped the idea of seeking custody damned fast once they put that $4 million check on the table. I thought SoulAlive was being harsh to say Rowe was just putting the squeeze on them for more dough, but oh, well. Didn't she though? The only thing missing from this Let's Make A Deal episode was Monty Hall himself! 
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Ottensen said: Hot DAMN, she dropped the idea of seeking custody damned fast once they put that $4 million check on the table. I thought SoulAlive was being harsh to say Rowe was just putting the squeeze on them for more dough, but oh, well. Didn't she though? The only thing missing from this Let's Make A Deal episode was Monty Hall! Like all things - time will tell. It could just be someone out shopping a story again for all we know. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Swa said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Didn't she though? The only thing missing from this Let's Make A Deal episode was Monty Hall! Like all things - time will tell. It could just be someone out shopping a story again for all we know. Swa Could be! That's why I said take the story with a grain of salt when I saw it on the NYPost but it is apparently spreading and Rowe has already proven that she will sell her parental rights for the right price. Fortunately, we won't have that long to wait and find out. They go back to court regarding custody on July 20th. [Edited 7/14/09 7:37am] I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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