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Reply #1380 posted 07/13/09 3:13pm

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I hope the kids are getting professional counseling.
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Reply #1381 posted 07/13/09 3:24pm

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If Debbie gets visitations, I wonder what the conversation will be like as to why she has been absent. I hope Michael is assigned his responsibility in her absence.


Hell naw Michael probably has not assigned his responsibility in her absence. When those children get older they are gonna have a lot of questions. Maybe Debbie can answer some painful questions like her renting out her womb to produce children? I doubt if Blanket's mom shows up at all.
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Reply #1382 posted 07/13/09 3:28pm

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Chic35 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

If Debbie gets visitations, I wonder what the conversation will be like as to why she has been absent. I hope Michael is assigned his responsibility in her absence.


Hell naw Michael probably has not assigned his responsibility in her absence. When those children get older they are gonna have a lot of questions. Maybe Debbie can answer some painful questions like her renting out her womb to produce children? I doubt if Blanket's mom shows up at all.

I don't excuse Debbie but I have no doubt Michael threatened her life if she didn't comply. Michael Jackson was incredibly selfish and I wouldn't be surprised to find out Debbie Rowe was forced to relinquish control. What kind of man pays off a woman not to be in her kids life? Someone who is fucked up, that's who.
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Reply #1383 posted 07/13/09 3:30pm

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Chic35 said:



Hell naw Michael probably has not assigned his responsibility in her absence. When those children get older they are gonna have a lot of questions. Maybe Debbie can answer some painful questions like her renting out her womb to produce children? I doubt if Blanket's mom shows up at all.

I don't excuse Debbie but I have no doubt Michael threatened her life if she didn't comply. Michael Jackson was incredibly selfish and I wouldn't be surprised to find out Debbie Rowe was forced to relinquish control. What kind of man pays off a woman not to be in her kids life? Someone who is fucked up, that's who.


If that was the case, why was Grace there for the children ever since they were born? She was there all along the way.

Debbie is a golddigger and not that innocent.
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Reply #1384 posted 07/13/09 3:31pm

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suga10 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


I don't excuse Debbie but I have no doubt Michael threatened her life if she didn't comply. Michael Jackson was incredibly selfish and I wouldn't be surprised to find out Debbie Rowe was forced to relinquish control. What kind of man pays off a woman not to be in her kids life? Someone who is fucked up, that's who.


If that was the case, why was Grace there for the children ever since they were born?

Debbie is a golddigger

where is Grace now? Debbie is a Golddigger but Michael was handing that shit out.
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Reply #1385 posted 07/13/09 3:34pm

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suga10 said:



If that was the case, why was Grace there for the children ever since they were born?

Debbie is a golddigger

where is Grace now? Debbie is a Golddigger but Michael was handing that shit out.


She was nothing more than a surrogate mother in his own eyes.
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Reply #1386 posted 07/13/09 3:36pm

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suga10 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


where is Grace now? Debbie is a Golddigger but Michael was handing that shit out.


She was nothing more than a surrogate mother in his own eyes.
[Edited 7/13/09 15:34pm]

why no mother for any of the kids? Because he was seriously mentally ill and sick and nobody tried to stop him from being stupid.
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Reply #1387 posted 07/13/09 3:38pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Chic35 said:



Hell naw Michael probably has not assigned his responsibility in her absence. When those children get older they are gonna have a lot of questions. Maybe Debbie can answer some painful questions like her renting out her womb to produce children? I doubt if Blanket's mom shows up at all.

I don't excuse Debbie but I have no doubt Michael threatened her life if she didn't comply. Michael Jackson was incredibly selfish and I wouldn't be surprised to find out Debbie Rowe was forced to relinquish control. What kind of man pays off a woman not to be in her kids life? Someone who is fucked up, that's who.


Supa, please.
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Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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Reply #1388 posted 07/13/09 3:40pm

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Phishanga said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


I don't excuse Debbie but I have no doubt Michael threatened her life if she didn't comply. Michael Jackson was incredibly selfish and I wouldn't be surprised to find out Debbie Rowe was forced to relinquish control. What kind of man pays off a woman not to be in her kids life? Someone who is fucked up, that's who.


Supa, please.
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if Mj is capable of committing suicide, why not that? lol
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Reply #1389 posted 07/13/09 3:43pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

suga10 said:



She was nothing more than a surrogate mother in his own eyes.
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why no mother for any of the kids? Because he was seriously mentally ill and sick and nobody tried to stop him from being stupid.


Michael Jackson became a different person after the fire accident in my opinion.
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Reply #1390 posted 07/13/09 3:46pm

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He made a good point when he said plenty of women have kids with no father around. I mean they go to the sperm bank or they tell the dads to hit the bricks or some shit. While I think kids need mommy and daddy, by MJ's logic he should have been able to have kids without anybody getting weirded out by it.
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Reply #1391 posted 07/13/09 3:47pm

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Reply #1392 posted 07/13/09 3:48pm

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Debbie Rowe pleaded with Michael for her to be a surrogate.."You need to be a Daddy" "Let me do this for you". She signed away her visitation rights. Hello, she supported him through a child molestation trial! I'd say if you had any parental concerns, that would probably be the opportunity to step up lol
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Reply #1393 posted 07/13/09 3:48pm

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He made a good point when he said plenty of women have kids with no father around. I mean they go to the sperm bank or they tell the dads to hit the bricks or some shit. While I think kids need mommy and daddy, by MJ's logic he should have been able to have kids without anybody getting weirded out by it.

except for the fact that he had been accused of molestation. WHY the need to NOT have a mother for your kids when there was a mother in the picture to begin with?
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Reply #1394 posted 07/13/09 3:51pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

DesireeNevermind said:

He made a good point when he said plenty of women have kids with no father around. I mean they go to the sperm bank or they tell the dads to hit the bricks or some shit. While I think kids need mommy and daddy, by MJ's logic he should have been able to have kids without anybody getting weirded out by it.

except for the fact that he had been accused of molestation. WHY the need to NOT have a mother for your kids when there was a mother in the picture to begin with?



Maybe he thought she would take the kids away from him. If he's accused of molestation, it would have been easy. Better to get her to sign her rights away when the kids were born and save himself heartache down the line.


BTW fuck her! She did it all for the money and that is just skankpimpnasty IMO. And now she broke so good for her chunky ass. Let a muthafugga try and buy or steal my kids from me..like sophia said

"I kill him dead!"
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Reply #1395 posted 07/13/09 3:54pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


except for the fact that he had been accused of molestation. WHY the need to NOT have a mother for your kids when there was a mother in the picture to begin with?



Maybe he thought she would take the kids away from him. If he's accused of molestation, it would have been easy. Better to get her to sign her rights away when the kids were born and save himself heartache down the line.


BTW fuck her! She did it all for the money and that is just skankpimpnasty IMO. And now she broke so good for her chunky ass. Let a muthafugga try and buy or steal my kids from me..like sophia said

"I kill him dead!"


Meanwhile Jackson CHOSE HER!
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Reply #1396 posted 07/13/09 3:55pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

DesireeNevermind said:




Maybe he thought she would take the kids away from him. If he's accused of molestation, it would have been easy. Better to get her to sign her rights away when the kids were born and save himself heartache down the line.


BTW fuck her! She did it all for the money and that is just skankpimpnasty IMO. And now she broke so good for her chunky ass. Let a muthafugga try and buy or steal my kids from me..like sophia said

"I kill him dead!"


Meanwhile Jackson CHOSE HER!


Well there is no accounting for taste. confused At least the kids came out cute and they were his till the end.
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Reply #1397 posted 07/13/09 3:56pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


I don't excuse Debbie but I have no doubt Michael threatened her life if she didn't comply. Michael Jackson was incredibly selfish and I wouldn't be surprised to find out Debbie Rowe was forced to relinquish control. What kind of man pays off a woman not to be in her kids life? Someone who is fucked up, that's who.


Supa, please.
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please stop supa. you sound like you are talkin out of ur ass right now.
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Reply #1398 posted 07/13/09 3:57pm

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suga10 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


I don't excuse Debbie but I have no doubt Michael threatened her life if she didn't comply. Michael Jackson was incredibly selfish and I wouldn't be surprised to find out Debbie Rowe was forced to relinquish control. What kind of man pays off a woman not to be in her kids life? Someone who is fucked up, that's who.


If that was the case, why was Grace there for the children ever since they were born? She was there all along the way.

Debbie is a golddigger and not that innocent.
[Edited 7/13/09 15:31pm]


Grace was let go numerous times during the time she worked for Michael if she pissed him off too. She needed her job...that is why she was there.
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Reply #1399 posted 07/13/09 3:57pm

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If Michael wanted to convince the world that he had natural born children, he could have simply adopted black children and brought in a black surrogate (example like Debbie), and no one would be questioning him.
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Reply #1400 posted 07/13/09 3:58pm

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HAPPY!!! biggrin






NOT SO HAPPY! sad





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Reply #1401 posted 07/13/09 4:00pm

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suga10 said:

If Michael wanted to convince the world that he had natural born children, he could have simply adopted black children, and no one would be questioning him. None of this Debbie Rowe custody crap would be going on.
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Well let the church say amen!!!
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I am pretty sure those children are gonna start looking at the darker skinned jackson's and wondering....why am I looking pale? shrug
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Reply #1402 posted 07/13/09 4:03pm

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Debbie Rowe: Why She Had Jackson's Children
'I Didn't Change Diapers, I Didn't Get Up in the Middle of the Night. Michael Did It All,' Rowe Says in 2003 Interview


For nearly a decade, Rowe had almost no contact with those children -- an estrangement, she told a court in 2001, of her own choosing. But increasingly, it looks as though Rowe will seek custody of Jackson's children, defying the singer's will and wishes that his two sons and daughter, ages 7 to 12, be cared for by his mother, Katherine Jackson.


As with the death of any monarch, the passing of the King of Pop has caused chaos in his empire. But of all the rumors whispered and speculation spread, of all the questions left unanswered surrounding the death and life of Michael Jackson, perhaps most intriguing of all is how the most famous man in the world married and started a family with a cipher who worked in his dermatologist's office.

It was 30 years ago that Rowe, a nursing assistant in the office of Dr. Arnold Klein, a Beverly Hills, Calif., dermatologist, first met one of his famed clients -- Michael Jackson

I go 'Hi'. And he goes 'Hi,' and I said, 'You know what? Nobody does what you do better, and nobody does what I do better. Let's get this over with.' And he laughed, and we just became friends. It was just right away," said Rowe in a 2003 interview. The interview, much of which had never been aired before, was obtained exclusively by ABC News from F. Marc Schaffel Productions. Schaffel is a friend of Rowe and former associate of Jackson.

Rowe says that her early relationship with Jackson was fun and friendly but basically frivolous. She had recently come out of a first marriage and Jackson was about to wed Lisa Marie Presley.



The interview, like many of her statements in the first few years after her marriage and amicable divorce from Jackson, painted the singer as a loving father, to whom she was happy to turn over her children.

Not long after the 2003 interview, however, Rowe would take Jackson to court to have her parental rights reinstated. That legal maneuver, some say, may prove critical if she chooses to fight for custody of Jackson's children.

Before their chance meeting, the closest Rowe, a Washington state native whose father was in the Air Force, had come to celebrity by being on the swim team at Hollywood High. Now, there were invitations from one of the biggest stars in the world.

"He'd call and say, 'Hi what are you doing? Do you want to get a video?' We'd sneak out without security. We got caught. I thought, 'Oh my God! This is like a Beatles film. We're getting chased by people.'"

There was plenty of talk suggesting Michael's 1994 marriage to Lisa Marie Presley was merely an attempt to boost an image that had been tarnished by accusations of child molestation and a general perception of weirdness. But some who knew the couple together said it was the real thing.

Michael and Lisa Marie talked about having children together, and Lisa Marie's recent blog speaks of true love. During their marriage, Michael had a musical rejuvenation, releasing "HIStory," a best- selling CD that included the ballad "You Are Not Alone."

But loving as it may have been, after 19 months, the marriage to Lisa Marie crumbled. Rowe said that left her friend Jackson devastated.

"I was trying to console him, because he was really upset. He was upset because he really wanted to be a dad. I said,'So be a dad.' He looked at me puzzled. That is when I looked at him and said. 'Let me do this. I want to do this. You have been so good to me. You are such a great friend. Please let me do this. You need to be a dad, and I want you to be.'"

the rest here

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Reply #1403 posted 07/13/09 4:03pm

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suga10 said:



Grace was like a motherly figure to those kids.
[Edited 7/13/09 13:10pm]

meanwhile he paid Debbie Rowe to bow out of the picture and god knows about the mother of blanket. Michael Jackson's deliberate denial of a mother to his kids if fucked up and no amount of good fatherhood should overshadow the fact that it was totally evil of him to do that to his kids.

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What about numerous amounts of women who have babies out of wedlock by different men.....most of the time, the men have nothing to do with their kids..some of them never in their kid's life at all. Or what about the new trend of middle aged women becoming single mothers....having babies just because they want them and cannot find a husband but their "biological clock" is ticking? Can u answer those questions?
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Reply #1404 posted 07/13/09 4:07pm

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suga10 said:

If Michael wanted to convince the world that he had natural born children, he could have simply adopted black children, and no one would be questioning him. None of this Debbie Rowe custody crap would be going on.
[Edited 7/13/09 15:58pm]


Well let the church say amen!!!
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I am pretty sure those children are gonna start looking at the darker skinned jackson's and wondering....why am I looking pale? shrug


I wonder if his children have actually seen their dad's older photos from the early 80s.
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Reply #1405 posted 07/13/09 4:09pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


meanwhile he paid Debbie Rowe to bow out of the picture and god knows about the mother of blanket. Michael Jackson's deliberate denial of a mother to his kids if fucked up and no amount of good fatherhood should overshadow the fact that it was totally evil of him to do that to his kids.

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What about numerous amounts of women who have babies out of wedlock by different men.....most of the time, the men have nothing to do with their kids..some of them never in their kid's life at all. Or what about the new trend of middle aged women becoming single mothers....having babies just because they want them and cannot find a husband but their "biological clock" is ticking? Can u answer those questions?


Men don't have biological clocks like women do. The absence of a mother was a NEED of Michael Jackson.
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suga10 said:

Chic35 said:



Well let the church say amen!!!
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I am pretty sure those children are gonna start looking at the darker skinned jackson's and wondering....why am I looking pale? shrug


I wonder if his children have actually seen their dad's older photos from the early 80s.



I think they have. I get the sense that he was honest with them about his transformation so no idiot could come up to them later and be like:


"DIS WHAT YO DADDY REALLY LOOK LIKE!"
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Reply #1407 posted 07/13/09 4:14pm

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so no idiot could come up to them later and be like:


"DIS WHAT YO DADDY REALLY LOOK LIKE!"


lol lol lol lol lol lol
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"I was trying to console him, because he was really upset. He was upset because he really wanted to be a dad. I said,'So be a dad.' He looked at me puzzled. That is when I looked at him and said. 'Let me do this. I want to do this. You have been so good to me. You are such a great friend. Please let me do this. You need to be a dad, and I want you to be.'"

Debbie probably did beg him to be a surrogate mother, but she wanted to get paid too. Lisa Marie said she wouldn't have kids with Michael because he was a emotionally and mentally a kid. Those marriages were fakes.

Michael came off sometimes like a saint that it's kinda of hard to believe he did some silly shit sometimes.
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