even if mj is not the bio dad he is legally their pop and was the only pop they ever knew. plus if the derm dude is gay why would he be sexing debbie rowe? I don't think he is the bio dad at all. none of those kids are ugly and cross-eyed.

DesireeNevermind said:

But didn't Arnold said he was a sperm donor "at one point"? So I don't know how anyone (even myself) could think he and Debbie were in a relationship anyways. But anyway, yeah MJ had been their father up until his death, gotta respect that regardless of their lineage.
[Edited 7/9/09 10:32am]

Timmy84 said:

yep he did say that but I was like WTF. why did you do that and for whom did you do it? the man is old too. if you're gonna buy some sperm then get the best. it is all too shady man. I'm not liking it one bit.

Anyone see the whole Bill O Reilly and Al Sharpton debate.

If I was Al Sharpton, I would have told Bill O'Reilly that you never picked on Madonna or Angelina for adopting children who weren't white. Why are you only picking on Michael, when tons of white people adopt children of other ethnicities, how come those people don't adopt white children from America?

suga10 said:

Let them two ignorant slugs go at it on WWE. Fuck them both with a screwdriver.

DesireeNevermind said:

I agree. It's really kinda sick to admit that. Hell that'll be part of that child custody battle I reckon.

suga10 said:

oh lord O'Reilly took it there? damn that man. damn him to hell.

OldTeenager said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Yeah it's rare it covers up the whole body. There were still spots where he hadn't even it out, you could see light brown splotches in parts of his body. Now whether that was from vitiligo or lupus, we don't know.

@ the photo, obviously it's photoshopped.

DesireeNevermind said:

He was a donor to a sperm bank.

trueiopian said:

Its possible MJ is wearing permanent white makeup as well covering up his spots

midnightmover said:

The floons were wrong about what? MJ loons have repeatedly maintained that professional doctors would not be so unethical as to enable Mike to whiten his skin. Sane people on this forum pointed out what NAIVE NONSENSE that was, since there are always unethical people in every profession who can be bought?

Ottensen said:

Yeah he said that. Which has me going "why did you even have to admit that?" Say one thing and then say another...

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's dermatologist said Wednesday that he was not surprised to learn that investigators found numerous bottles of prescription drugs in the singer's home -- adding that he had warned Jackson about their danger repeatedly.


Dr. Arnold Klein, who was Michael Jackson's dermatologist, said he warned the singer about drug use.

"I'm very shocked by it, but I have to tell you it's not something that would be unheard of," Dr. Arnold Klein said in an appearance on CNN's "Larry King Live."

Klein is the latest in a growing series of Jackson associates who have tied the singer to drugs in recent days.

Two sources close to the Jackson family told CNN on Wednesday that sister Janet was so worried after visiting the emaciated singer in 2007 that she tried to stage an intervention with assistance from her other brothers.

Jackson reportedly ordered his security guards not to let the family members in. He also refused to take calls from his mother, Katherine, CNN has learned.

"If you tried to deal with him, he would shut you out," one source told CNN. "You just wouldn't hear from him for long periods."

At the time, the Jackson family released a statement to People magazine about the alleged intervention, denying it. But Janet Jackson was not among the signatories.

Also Wednesday, a source told CNN that the Los Angeles County coroner's office has drawn up a list of doctors who treated Jackson over the years and will talk to them to determine what kind of drugs they may have been prescribed the singer in the past.

Among them: Klein and Dr. Conrad Murray, Jackson's cardiologist, who has already been interviewed by Los Angeles police.

The exact cause of Jackson's death on June 25 is pending a toxicology report. It is also the focus of an investigation by police, the state attorney general's office and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

"I knew at one point that he was using Diprivan when he was on tour in Germany," Klein said Wednesday night, without specifying when. "He was using it to go to sleep at night. I told him he was absolutely insane. I said, 'You have to quit it. This drug, you can't repeatedly take.'"

Klein, however, said he had not seen Diprivan or IV poles in the singer's house. Diprivan is a powerful sedative that is administered intravenously and is known by the generic name Propofol.

Asked whether Jackson had numerous track marks on his arms, as one source told CNN, Klein said he had not seen any.

"Michael, at one time, had an addiction. He went to England and withdrew that addiction, where he went off drugs altogether," the doctor said. Watch doctor reveal Jackson's use of Diprivan »

Klein refuted that he had ever given Jackson drugs beyond the doses needed for surgery.

"If you took all the pills I gave him in the last year at once, it wouldn't do anything to you."

Questions about fatherhood

If he was clear-cut in his denial about giving drugs, Klein carefully couched a question about whether he was the biological father of Jackson's children.

"The most important thing is: The father is who the children want their father to be," he said.

When King repeatedly pressed Klein, the doctor said: "I still can't answer it absolutely one way or another."

He said he donated sperm to a sperm bank, but not to Jackson. He said he is willing to take a DNA test.

"I think, to the best of my knowledge, I'm not the father," he said. "Can't we leave this alone? Can't we leave these children alone?"

Memorial cost $1.4 million

Meanwhile, the city of Los Angeles said Wednesday that Jackson's memorial service cost $1.4 million.

Spokeswoman Sarah Hamilton said the costs included extra police on the streets, trash pickup, other sanitation and traffic control for the Tuesday event.

Three thousand police officers, almost one-third of the force, were on hand to ensure that the Jackson events proceeded smoothly, Los Angeles Assistant Police Chief Jim McDonnell said Tuesday.

The city, which is $530 million in debt, set up a Web page asking Jackson fans for donations to help with the expenses.

On Tuesday morning, hundreds of donors contributed more than $17,000 through the site. But then, the high volume of traffic caused the site to crash frequently and for long periods, the mayor's office said.

So the city couldn't collect contributions for several hours on Tuesday. The site also crashed for 12 hours, beginning at 8 p.m. Tuesday, and again, periodically Wednesday morning, the office said.

Los Angeles City Attorney Carmen Trutanich does not want taxpayers to pay a penny for the service, his spokesman said Wednesday.


"The city attorney does not want something like this happening again, the city paying (the initial costs) for a private event," spokesman John Franklin said. "That's especially in a cash-strapped city, where people have been furloughed or even lost jobs."

Michael Roth, spokesman for AEG, which owns Staples Center and put on the event, could not be reached for comment.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/S...index.html

suga10 said:

Permanent white makeup? He didn't even look like a normal skin tone of an caucaisan person, his skin just looked strange.

Blowout Ratings for a Farewell, Online and Off


7/9/09




On television and on the Internet, tens of millions of viewers tuned in to Michael Jackson’s star-studded memorial service on Tuesday, making it one of the most watched farewells in history.

Media outlets have treated much of the last two weeks as an expansive public funeral for the pop star, culminating in Tuesday’s service at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. Mr. Jackson had been planning a comeback tour at the time of his death on June 25.

Nielsen Media Research said Wednesday that the 18 channels that simulcast the service had a combined average of 31 million at-home viewers during the nearly three-hour event. The service drew a bigger TV crowd than the funerals for two former presidents, Ronald Reagan in 2004 and Gerald Ford in early 2007. Princess Diana’s funeral drew about 33 million viewers in 1997. (In comparison, the combined audience total was only slightly higher than an average episode of Fox’s “American Idol” singing competition.)

Mr. Jackson’s memorial also attracted millions of online viewers. Citing internal data, CNN.com said it served 4.4 million live video streams during the service; MSNBC.com said it counted 3.1 million. Yahoo reported 5 million total streams.

The high viewership seemed to support the editorial decision-making of the news executives who had defended their saturation coverage of Mr. Jackson’s death.

“There is a tremendous amount of interest in this story,” said Bart Feder, the senior vice president for programming at CNN.

Mr. Jackson’s death caused the ratings for cable news channels to spike in ways they had not since the presidential election. Jackson-focused editions of the late-night ABC News program “Nightline” drew bigger audiences than its late-night comedy competition. E, the entertainment cable channel, said its daylong memorial on Tuesday was the highest-rated weekday in its history.

The exhaustive and sometimes lurid coverage after Mr. Jackson’s death prompted some news media critics to ask, rather loudly at times, whether the coverage was overblown. “All we hear about is Michael Jackson,” said Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, in a YouTube video on Sunday. “Let’s knock out the psychobabble. He was a pervert, a child molester, he was a pedophile. And to be giving this much coverage to him, day in and day out, what does it say about us as a country?”

In a poll in late June by the Pew Research Center for People and the Press, 58 percent of respondents said they were following the coverage of Mr. Jackson’s death fairly closely or very closely, making it one of the most followed stories of a celebrity’s death in at least a decade. At the same time, 64 percent of respondents said news organizations provided too much coverage of his death.

Jim Bell, the executive producer of the “Today” show, said he understood why some people were wondering whether the media coverage had been overblown, but said, “Michael Jackson is probably as big a star as we’ve ever had in this country.”

Mr. Bell and other news executives said the coverage was justified because there were many unanswered questions about Mr. Jackson’s life and death. Among the strands of coverage: the unclear circumstances regarding his death, the guardianship of his young children and the outpouring of emotion from fans.

“I think it will be reverberating for some time,” Mr. Bell said.

The TV audience for Mr. Jackson’s memorial represented about 20 percent of all American households with TV sets. According to Nielsen, 21 percent of households watched live coverage of the not-guilty verdict in Mr. Jackson’s trial on charges of sexual abuse in 2005.

Later on Tuesday, a combined total of 20 million people watched the prime-time specials about the singer on ABC, CBS and NBC.

Akamai, a company that handles Internet traffic for a variety of large clients, said the high levels of interest on Tuesday were eclipsed by only one other event: the inauguration of President Obama in January.

A number of news Web sites worked with Facebook and Twitter to incorporate streams of personal status updates next to live video coverage of the memorial. MSNBC.com showed more than 75,000 tweets. “People want to share the moment,” said Charlie Tillinghast, the publisher of MSNBC.com. “It’s a collective experience.”

Mr. Jackson edged Mr. Obama in at least one category. Facebook said that Mr. Jackson had about seven million fans on his official Facebook page, giving him the largest single following of any public figure on the site — including Mr. Obama, who clocks in with six million fans.


http://www.nytimes.com/20...ref=global

Timmy84 said:

Michael asked for a black chef to be hired. On CNN I watched as his chef said, Joe Jackson came to visit and was NOT let in, so he got pissed off and left. The Chef was told to drive around for five minutes then come back to the mansion to be let in. He said he noticed oxygen tanks in the garage, and that Murray was Michael's doctor that was staying over to check on Michael at the time. It is some truth to being locked out and Michael ignoring anybody that tried to intervene with his drug use. If you were not gonna enable him he closed you out. The family and friends knew this day was coming, sad but true.

I know the dirt on Michael will be more heartbreaking than anything!
[Edited 7/9/09 11:08am]

chic your avie why you do that?

pynkcashmere said:

it's called body dysmorphic disorder. Google it.

OldTeenager said:

michael was talking about interracial dating in that song.

OldTeenager said:

please SHUT UP with ur uneducated responses.

DesireeNevermind said:

I have always been straight forward. It's kinda painful to hear
some of the shit unfolding about Michael. You hear a lot of things
but damn to hear all of his friends and family making attempts to
help this man including some Doctors, is so fucking depressing! I guess we forget that stars
are flesh and blood and we place them too high on a pedestal to be worshiped. I must
admit this crash is gonna be painful to watch unfold. Trust me I am
not gloating in this one.

Chic35 said:

u sure bout that? because u seem to be very self righteous in ur previous posts.

Gary residents view Jackson's death with mixed feelings

By Kevin Pang | Tribune reporter
July 8, 2009

In the hardscrabble city where Michael Joseph Jackson was born 50 years ago, emotions are in conflict over the passing of its most famous son.

There is profound sadness but also joy on the day his life was celebrated before a worldwide television and online audience, as well as hope for a more prosperous future in his birthplace. There is indifference and resentment as well.

Twenty-five miles from the glass-and-steel skyscrapers that soar above Chicago's downtown, abandoned buildings and shuttered businesses pockmark Gary's business corridor. The city is all too familiar with unemployment, gang violence and murder.

Yet, on the corner of 23rd Avenue and Jackson Street, outside the home where Jackson lived for his first 11 years, celebration reigns. Familiar bass lines and drum beats from Jackson's hits throb among the humble, single-story homes along the block. In the days since the King of Pop died, fans from every corner of the world have left stuffed animals, written poems, lit candles, sung and danced at the house, a building-cum-shrine no larger than a two-car garage.

"Our city doesn't have the best reputation, but Michael Jackson made it acceptable for people to come to Gary all night long," said William Salaam, a clothing store owner selling T-shirts and hats across the street from Jackson's home. Many of the shirts say "Pride of Gary."

"He could change the economy of this town," Salaam said. "From the grave, he'd be blessing this city."

On many street corners of the city, impromptu shops have popped up, selling Jackson memorabilia of every variety. A reader board at a mobile phone shop read: "RIP MJ/Tees and CDs here."

There is also a tinge of antipathy among Gary residents -- why couldn't Jackson have done more for the city that birthed his career?

"We mourn his death," said Sgt. Jarrett Bridgeman of the Gary Police Department, standing outside Jackson's home. "We wished he would've done more things to help us out."

Years ago, there was talk of turning his childhood home into a museum. A Michael Jackson theme park would be built along the interstate and bring the city much-needed tax revenue. Those plans, residents say, were nothing more than empty rhetoric from people trying to cash in on Jackson's fame.

"Everybody loves his music," said Derrick Moore, watching the televised memorial service from his barbershop, Tight Fade. "But certain politicians try to take advantage of his name to bring in economic prosperity."

Just past the right-field wall of the U.S. Steel Yard ballpark in downtown Gary, dozens gathered at a stadium banquet hall to watch the memorial service on three flat-screen TVs. People here sang along as clips played of Jackson as a young boy. They wiped away tears and threw their hands in the air like it was a Sunday service.

"I believe something good is going to come out of this for Gary," said Lois Johnson, who was born and raised here and sat clutching a glossy 8-by-10 photo of The Jackson 5. "I've seen Gary in the good times, and I've now seen it in the bad times. We really need the recognition."

Still, among the mix of emotions the city was experiencing, the main one was pride, that a local boy had done good.

"No one was proud to be from a place called the murder capital," said Salaam, the T-shirt vendor. "Now people say, 'I'm from Gary, Ind., home of The Jackson 5.' "

OldTeenager said:

Yeah, that. Let's face it, Michael obviously went looking for unethical people because he wanted them to do unethical things. Like Mike's former friend Rabbi Boteach said (I'm paraphrasing), in order to stay in Michael's orbit you had to either be corrupt or become corrupt. If you were actually ethical and honest you would simply be kicked out. Many of Mike's former associates have said the same thing. Even this sleazebag dermatologist (who is corrupt himself) is saying it.

Michael had a lot of problems.

And I think these problems really starting blowing up by 1984.

His behavior started changing around that time.

Now ya'll can start hatin on Pelosi.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...el_jackson

WASHINGTON – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi shut the door Thursday to a resolution honoring Michael Jackson because debate on the symbolic measure could raise "contrary views" about the pop star's life.

Lawmakers are free to use House speeches "to express their sympathy or their praise any time that they wish," said Pelosi, D-Calif. "I don't think it's necessary for us to have a resolution."

A resolution sponsored by Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, cites some of the singer's charitable acts and proclaims him an American legend, musical icon and world humanitarian.

Even before Pelosi's comments, some Democrats said privately they did not support the resolution and a divisive debate would hurt House efforts to muster the votes for priorities such as health care and climate change.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., who posted a video on YouTube calling Michael Jackson a "pervert" and a "pedophile," has pledged to do all he could to block the resolution.

Michael Jackson was acquitted in 2005 of charges that he molested a 13-year-old boy. Those allegations, and his admission that children slept in his bed at his home but nothing sexual occurred, have led some members of Congress to put distance between themselves and any formal honor for the entertainer.

"A resolution, I think, would open up to contrary views to — that are not necessary at this time to be expressed in association with a resolution whose purpose is quite different," Pelosi said at a Capitol Hill news conference where she discussed various legislative matters.

Unbowed, Jackson Lee said she will seek support from colleagues who thanked her when she introduced the measure June 26, one day after Michael Jackson died. She said honorary resolutions don't often "pass the next day."

"On this floor we elevate people and doing that we have to work to tell your story," she said after a House vote. But she would need support from Democratic leadership for the resolution to advance to the full House from the committee where it is now.

When members of the Congressional Black Caucus held a moment of silence in the House after Jackson died June 25, some lawmakers walked out of the chamber.

Jackson Lee has pledged that the resolution, now before the House Foreign Affairs Committee where she is a member, would come to the full House for debate. Such honorary measures normally move quickly from committee to the full House and pass on a voice vote.

But Jackson Lee's resolution was in trouble early. It drew only one co-sponsor, Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif., and was not endorsed by other black caucus members.

From the stage at Jackson's memorial Tuesday at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, Jackson Lee hoisted a framed copy of the resolution.

there's some cool MJ stories here >> http://www.gearslutz.com/...ut-mj.html

[Edited 7/9/09 11:50am]

suga10 said:

i was a teen during thriller-mania. i remember one of my mother's friends asked me if i thought mj would pay the ultimate price for his success. i pondered it, and with each passing year with each escalating chorus of hate directed at this man, i continued to ponder it. i was really hoping he would get through it, but 4 years ago when mj stumbled out of that courtroom, his spirit absolutely broken, i knew he was a dead man. the person who defiantly entered that courtroom and the one who exited were not the same.

i'd like to think his last days were happy ones. he knew that in spite of the haters, the fans were eager to see him. he had three children who adored him, and he was back to working on his music. it may be that he died from drugs, or it could have been something else. the books that will come out of this madness will pale in comparison to anything about elvis or marilyn, that's for sure.