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PrintableArnotts said: cdcgold said: you seriously think those kids look like klein?  okay i've heard it allI really don't believe you've seen many white people. I can't work out where the hell you could possibly be from. I admit these kids looked much more like Michael at the memorial, but in Australia, where I'm from, the two oldest ones are dime a dozen looking white kids. Alot of white people tend to look a bit more 'ethnic' (for lack of a better word) when they hit puberty. Noses get much bigger (and then tend to settle down again once puberty has passed), eyebrows much thicker and darker, hair much darker, and lips also become bigger. This happened to me and my two siblings. They looked very much the way Prince does now. And we're all just as tan. I'm not saying these kids are definitley not biologically his. They very well could be, but your reasoning of 'they're not albinos so they must be his' is pretty lame. I'm still wondering why they don't look like this in any other pictures though. maybe because most pics of the kids before were taken in bad lighting and with a million flashes around them which made them look lighter.( which i have said on here many times) i could show you some pics of those kids that were taken in good lighting conditions and they are just as dark. they have always been that dark( well as they got older) | |
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harbars said: midnightmover said: Thanks for the clear details. 
Mike has always mimed the start of MITM. It's worth pointing out that that is a section with virtually no dancing as well, which destroys the argument that he started miming because he was focused on dancing. Yeah, that argument always fell on deaf ears as far as I'm concerned. Complete rubbish - as if he wasn't dancing a storm in 81! Although there are some elements of the show (e.g. when they do the jumps in SC) where it's almost impossible to sing the lead line at the same time and have it sound half decent. However the reason for the playback IMO, is simply that the voice was suffering at this point. Not shot, but in need of TLC. Somebody like Seth probably suggested that with a gazillion shows left, that things like SC, TWYMMF and MITM should not be attempted too often! Those lines are hard to hit. Incredibly so. Being able to put something down on record is a totally different thing to doing it every nite on stage, especially given his stylism and notes he hits in those numbers. So some form of compromise had to be made. Worth noting that the DSTYGE vocal in '81 sounds pretty awful in comparison to the record. To do that song in the same key live is almost impossible. Oh and I'm rambling speicifically about the Bad tour here - not the others that came later! Thank you.  Not only was he dancing up a storm in '81, but he was dancing up a storm in '87 and still singing completely live and sounding great, so that argument was always illogical (but trying to get MJ fans to see logic is always gonna be a losing battle).“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: harbars said: Yeah, that argument always fell on deaf ears as far as I'm concerned. Complete rubbish - as if he wasn't dancing a storm in 81! Although there are some elements of the show (e.g. when they do the jumps in SC) where it's almost impossible to sing the lead line at the same time and have it sound half decent. However the reason for the playback IMO, is simply that the voice was suffering at this point. Not shot, but in need of TLC. Somebody like Seth probably suggested that with a gazillion shows left, that things like SC, TWYMMF and MITM should not be attempted too often! Those lines are hard to hit. Incredibly so. Being able to put something down on record is a totally different thing to doing it every nite on stage, especially given his stylism and notes he hits in those numbers. So some form of compromise had to be made. Worth noting that the DSTYGE vocal in '81 sounds pretty awful in comparison to the record. To do that song in the same key live is almost impossible. Oh and I'm rambling speicifically about the Bad tour here - not the others that came later! Thank you. Not only was he dancing up a storm in '81, but he was dancing up a storm in '87 and still singing completely live and sounding great, so that argument was always illogical (but trying to get MJ fans to see logic is always gonna be a losing battle).Could that have something to do with age as well though? To me he always sounds out of breath when hes singing live on the history tour and the fast songs on dangerous. His voice doesnt sound horrible or out of tune, its his heavey breathing | |
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cdcgold said: Arnotts said: I really don't believe you've seen many white people. I can't work out where the hell you could possibly be from. I admit these kids looked much more like Michael at the memorial, but in Australia, where I'm from, the two oldest ones are dime a dozen looking white kids. Alot of white people tend to look a bit more 'ethnic' (for lack of a better word) when they hit puberty. Noses get much bigger (and then tend to settle down again once puberty has passed), eyebrows much thicker and darker, hair much darker, and lips also become bigger. This happened to me and my two siblings. They looked very much the way Prince does now. And we're all just as tan. I'm not saying these kids are definitley not biologically his. They very well could be, but your reasoning of 'they're not albinos so they must be his' is pretty lame. I'm still wondering why they don't look like this in any other pictures though. maybe because most pics of the kids before were taken in bad lighting and with a million flashes around them which made them look lighter.( which i have said on here many times) i could show you some pics of those kids that were taken in good lighting conditions and they are just as dark. they have always been that dark( well as they got older) [Edited 7/9/09 6:43am] | |
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cdcgold said: Arnotts said: I really don't believe you've seen many white people. I can't work out where the hell you could possibly be from. I admit these kids looked much more like Michael at the memorial, but in Australia, where I'm from, the two oldest ones are dime a dozen looking white kids. Alot of white people tend to look a bit more 'ethnic' (for lack of a better word) when they hit puberty. Noses get much bigger (and then tend to settle down again once puberty has passed), eyebrows much thicker and darker, hair much darker, and lips also become bigger. This happened to me and my two siblings. They looked very much the way Prince does now. And we're all just as tan. I'm not saying these kids are definitley not biologically his. They very well could be, but your reasoning of 'they're not albinos so they must be his' is pretty lame. I'm still wondering why they don't look like this in any other pictures though. maybe because most pics of the kids before were taken in bad lighting and with a million flashes around them which made them look lighter.( which i have said on here many times) i could show you some pics of those kids that were taken in good lighting conditions and they are just as dark. they have always been that dark( well as they got older) Regarding Prince Michael and Paris, don't you agree that children play outside in the sunshine more than adults? Living in California (and more recently spending time in the Middle East) - that's a lot of sunshine! Those kids are simply tanned! Prince Michael II (Blanket) - that kid has some ethnicity to him. Not sure if it's black or South American or something. |
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Arnotts said: midnightmover said: Thank you. Not only was he dancing up a storm in '81, but he was dancing up a storm in '87 and still singing completely live and sounding great, so that argument was always illogical (but trying to get MJ fans to see logic is always gonna be a losing battle).Could that have something to do with age as well though? To me he always sounds out of breath when hes singing live on the history tour and the fast songs on dangerous. His voice doesnt sound horrible or out of tune, its his heavey breathing ..and that peice of shit headset Mic. | |
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Se7en said: cdcgold said: maybe because most pics of the kids before were taken in bad lighting and with a million flashes around them which made them look lighter.( which i have said on here many times) i could show you some pics of those kids that were taken in good lighting conditions and they are just as dark. they have always been that dark( well as they got older) Regarding Prince Michael and Paris, don't you agree that children play outside in the sunshine more than adults? Living in California (and more recently spending time in the Middle East) - that's a lot of sunshine! Those kids are simply tanned! Prince Michael II (Blanket) - that kid has some ethnicity to him. Not sure if it's black or South American or something. Yeah, he looks polynesian/Hawaiian-y to me. I think only his mannerisms/facial expressions make him look like Michael, not his actual face or features. Sorry but hes nowhere near as cute as Michael was [Edited 7/9/09 6:53am] | |
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Saw this clip from the Invisible Woman blog and this is what she said(which I found VERY intersting)...
Sammy Davis Jr. comparing himself to Michael Jackson on Arsenio Hall, and ends up being something close to a confessional on race. Sammy goes in a few different directions, but you can see and feel the pain this immensely talented man went through, and he used that talent to navigate his way through a tragic life, just like Mike. It was his shield, just like Mike. Ok, I want to see that HBO per4mance  | |
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Kim69 said: After all the hoopla...i have concluded....Mike...is the king of something.....king of papparazzi...and king of pop for sure...but really he is better than Elvis...cause in this day and age.....Elvis had no fans in Yugoslovia...and other Eastern countries...like Mike....
Mike became bigger than Elvis many moons ago. It is only now in death that people will finally acknowledge it. But it's always been known that Michael Jackson is the biggest entertainer of all time. | |
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I don't have the time to go through all the post to know/see if this info has been posted, but here's a link to dowload/print of the -
Michael Jackson Memorial (Booklet) Program. http://www.examiner.com/x...am-Booklet Follow the link(s) below MJ pic and it will download via PDF. | |
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TD3 said: I don't have the time to go through all the post to know/see if this info has been posted, but here's a link to dowload/print of the -
Michael Jackson Memorial (Booklet) Program. http://www.examiner.com/x...am-Booklet Follow the link(s) below MJ pic and it will download via PDF. Thanks so much for the link. Now that I see what little Blanket was looking at in this picture, my heart truly aches for those babies. 
 I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Timmy84 said: @ your statement... I hope not...
I just read that Arnold was openly gay... hmm... But why can't he just say "no those are not my kids." That's why I'm mad with him. People already thinking he lying anyway. I thought he was lying but his statements sound out of whack even if he is telling the truth. 
[Edited 7/8/09 22:04pm] Yup, apparently he's a bear chaser . I know somebody who knows him. Maybe I can get some dirt on him | |
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Arnotts said: midnightmover said: Thank you. Not only was he dancing up a storm in '81, but he was dancing up a storm in '87 and still singing completely live and sounding great, so that argument was always illogical (but trying to get MJ fans to see logic is always gonna be a losing battle).Could that have something to do with age as well though? To me he always sounds out of breath when hes singing live on the history tour and the fast songs on dangerous. His voice doesnt sound horrible or out of tune, its his heavey breathing Dude, when he started miming in 1988 he was only three months older than he'd been in 1987. He was clearly just as physically fit as before, but his voice had started cracking, and like I said before, the song he first started miming was a ballad with very little dancing. It's time to stop dodging inconvenient facts. Use your ears. Compare the vocals in 1887 to the vocals in 1988. His voice is clearly deteriorating. Why are you guys so scared to admit that this deterioration obviously led to the miming?
And the only songs where breath was a problem on the Dangerous Tour were HN and WBSS. If you listen to we are the world on msg 2001 he couldn't even get the right notes. There was no dancing there. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Harlepolis said: Saw this clip from the Invisible Woman blog and this is what she said(which I found VERY intersting)...
Sammy Davis Jr. comparing himself to Michael Jackson on Arsenio Hall, and ends up being something close to a confessional on race. Sammy goes in a few different directions, but you can see and feel the pain this immensely talented man went through, and he used that talent to navigate his way through a tragic life, just like Mike. It was his shield, just like Mike. Ok, I want to see that HBO per4mance These specific lyrics that MJ penned for "Tabloid Junkie" seem to confront the issue head-on: In the hood Frame him if you could Shoot to kill To blame him if you will If he dies sympathize Such false witnesses Damn self righteousness In the black Stab me in the back In the face To lie and shame the Race | |
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Copycat said: 
Concert Promoter: Jackson's Tour Merchandise For Sale July 9,2009 Link As the world gathered to mourn and pay tribute to Michael Jackson, fans were given one more chance to grab a piece of the singer's legacy. Just a week before Jackson was slated to kick off his 50-date 'This Is It' concert series at the O2 Arena in London, the merchandise that would have accompanied his attempted return to form went up for sale online. (Store Link). There are also official This Is It shirts, featuring Jackson dancing in front of a microphone. The hat styles include a trucker cap with a spray painted "Who's Bad" insignia and a Ed Hardy-style cap with roses flanked by the words "This Is It" and "King of Pop" on the brim. Among the eight belt buckles are images from throughout Jackson's solo career, from the Off the Wall cover shot to a Thriller montage, the Bad cover and a commemorative O2 edition. The concert merch is sure to join other items marking Jackson's final bow, such as the hard-to-get tickets for Tuesday's Staples Center memorial, bootleg items being hawked by street vendors and the keepsake tickets for the O2 run being offered by concert promoter AEG Live. To date, AEG boss Randy Phillips said that nearly 50 percent of the one million fans who've responded to the company's ticket refund offer have opted to receive the Jackson-approved commemorative ticket instead of their money back. Mannnnn, the more I read/hear shit like this, the more I want to  and call shenanigans regarding the whole "mysterious" death surrounding MJ.• Did you first think Prince was gay? •
Wendy: He’s a girl, for sure, but he’s not gay. He looked at me like a gay woman would look at another woman. Lisa: Totally. He’s like a fancy lesbian. | |
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In 2000 or 2001 there was a program with prez clinton and michael that included kids singing i believe it was at the apollo is that the picture of that event. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: I'm glad his dermatologist put all those rumors to rest about Michael not wanting to be black and not really having vitiligo. His interview on Larry King was good and respectful I think.
That explains his skin, but what about his nose??? | |
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pynkcashmere said: DesireeNevermind said: I'm glad his dermatologist put all those rumors to rest about Michael not wanting to be black and not really having vitiligo. His interview on Larry King was good and respectful I think.
That explains his skin, but what about his nose??? He got one too many nose jobs | |
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suga10 said: Anyone see US Weekly
 ok everyone's talking about the kids and shit but what's this Nazi obsession thing about?12/05/2011 
P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!!  | |
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Michael was a perfectionist, so his nose was never gonna be perfect in his eyes. The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines.  | |
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matthewgrant said: suga10 said: Anyone see US Weekly
ok everyone's talking about the kids and shit but what's this Nazi obsession thing about?It must be nice to have somebody to have kids for you. The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines. | |
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Chic35 said: matthewgrant said: ok everyone's talking about the kids and shit but what's this Nazi obsession thing about?It must be nice to have somebody to have kids for you. wha... what's that have to do with what I asked?  NOTHING? MKAY THEN 
I'm not belittling the conversations here(i'm not speaking much, but i'm following along) I just noticed what all was printed on the cover and was curious... [Edited 7/9/09 10:04am] 12/05/2011
P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!! | |
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Can vitiligo turn somebody lilly white? I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault! | |
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matthewgrant said: Chic35 said: It must be nice to have somebody to have kids for you. wha... what's that have to do with what I asked? NOTHING? MKAY THEN
I'm not belittling the conversations here(i'm not speaking much, but i'm following along) I just noticed what all was printed on the cover and was curious... [Edited 7/9/09 10:04am] Well if MJ had a Nazi obsession then he wouldn't be out of the norm since this whole country got a Nazi obsession. think about how many movies have been made about them and are still being made (Tarantino and Pitt have a new one coming out). If I turn on the history channel and see some Nazi shit one more time i'm gonna   | |
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OldTeenager said:
Can vitiligo turn somebody lilly white? well remember he had to also wear makeup for the blending. it can, although rare, cover someone's whole body. | |
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R.I. P. mike , hey teach GOD 2 moonwalk!  | |
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Ottensen said: Timmy84 said: If that dude wasn't holding him, he would've fallen on the floor.  I guess Magic Johnson wasn't the only one coming over eating up Micheal's KFC   | |
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whatsgoingon said: nurseV said: when they were babies their complexions were more caucasian(not meant to offend), but has they have grown you can see that they are biracial children-you can see MJ in everyone of them  I can see MJ in Blanket, but the other two I still have my doubts. However, I must admitt during the memorial Paris did look almost as dark as Latoya, bearing in mind Latoya has always been really light-skinned even before she started to mess with her face. It was just the lightening in the room. Paris is white as they come. These kids don't look bi-racial at all. They are white. Michael said "It don't matter if your black or white". I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault! | |
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