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Printable2elijah said: Cinnamon234 said: Awww Paris trying to comfort Blanket. She is so sweet!
http://cdn.buzznet.com/me...ute-06.jpg But check out Janet's heels btw lol, she is killing me with those things Editied: Didn't realize how big this pic was, i'll leave the link instead. [Edited 7/7/09 16:48pm] I'll post the pic for you even though it is big, because it is such a nice pic of Paris consoling Blanket. 
[Edited 7/7/09 17:34pm] This picture is down right priceless.  | |
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Not sure if this has been posted already.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news...n/24940?nc LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's death certificate has been released without a listed cause of death and a coroner said investigators are still testing the singer's brain. Public health officials issued the death certificate on Tuesday, the same day public and private memorials were held in Los Angeles. The cause of death is listed as "deferred." Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Jackson's brain, or at least part of it, was still being held by investigators and would be returned to the family for interment once neuropathology tests were completed. "As soon as we are done with the brain, we will return it," Winter said. "There is a whole series of tests that will be done." It is not uncommon for the coroner to hold on to a brain or samples from it. Winter said families sometimes delay burying a loved one until after the brain has been returned, but he had received no word from the Jackson family about their intentions. "The last I heard, they are not burying the body yet," Winter said. Police and coroner's officials continue to probe what killed the 50-year-old singer on June 25. On the certificate, Jackson's occupation is listed as a musician. He is described as a high school graduate and divorced. The information provided for the document was given by Jackson's sister, La Toya, one of several family members who rushed to the hospital where Jackson was pronounced dead. The document doesn't state where Jackson will be buried. Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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I don't know if the article has been posted. I remembered folks were asking about her identity.
http://www.rollingstone.c...revealed/# "Funkyslsistah… you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude"!
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EmeraldSkies said: Not sure if this has been posted already.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news...n/24940?nc LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's death certificate has been released without a listed cause of death and a coroner said investigators are still testing the singer's brain. Public health officials issued the death certificate on Tuesday, the same day public and private memorials were held in Los Angeles. The cause of death is listed as "deferred." Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Jackson's brain, or at least part of it, was still being held by investigators and would be returned to the family for interment once neuropathology tests were completed. "As soon as we are done with the brain, we will return it," Winter said. "There is a whole series of tests that will be done." It is not uncommon for the coroner to hold on to a brain or samples from it. Winter said families sometimes delay burying a loved one until after the brain has been returned, but he had received no word from the Jackson family about their intentions. "The last I heard, they are not burying the body yet," Winter said. Police and coroner's officials continue to probe what killed the 50-year-old singer on June 25. On the certificate, Jackson's occupation is listed as a musician. He is described as a high school graduate and divorced. The information provided for the document was given by Jackson's sister, La Toya, one of several family members who rushed to the hospital where Jackson was pronounced dead. The document doesn't state where Jackson will be buried.  Just awful and sad. I know they have to come to a conclusion regading his cause of death but the idea of his brain being held somewhere and tested is just really hard to come to terms with.  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: EmeraldSkies said: Not sure if this has been posted already.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news...n/24940?nc LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's death certificate has been released without a listed cause of death and a coroner said investigators are still testing the singer's brain. Public health officials issued the death certificate on Tuesday, the same day public and private memorials were held in Los Angeles. The cause of death is listed as "deferred." Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Jackson's brain, or at least part of it, was still being held by investigators and would be returned to the family for interment once neuropathology tests were completed. "As soon as we are done with the brain, we will return it," Winter said. "There is a whole series of tests that will be done." It is not uncommon for the coroner to hold on to a brain or samples from it. Winter said families sometimes delay burying a loved one until after the brain has been returned, but he had received no word from the Jackson family about their intentions. "The last I heard, they are not burying the body yet," Winter said. Police and coroner's officials continue to probe what killed the 50-year-old singer on June 25. On the certificate, Jackson's occupation is listed as a musician. He is described as a high school graduate and divorced. The information provided for the document was given by Jackson's sister, La Toya, one of several family members who rushed to the hospital where Jackson was pronounced dead. The document doesn't state where Jackson will be buried. Just awful and sad. I know they have to come to a conclusion regading his cause of death but the idea of his brain being held somewhere and tested is just really hard to come to terms with. I know. Plus it continues to put off the burial which puts off the closure for the family. Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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DesireeNevermind said: EmeraldSkies said: Not sure if this has been posted already.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news...n/24940?nc LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's death certificate has been released without a listed cause of death and a coroner said investigators are still testing the singer's brain. Public health officials issued the death certificate on Tuesday, the same day public and private memorials were held in Los Angeles. The cause of death is listed as "deferred." Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Jackson's brain, or at least part of it, was still being held by investigators and would be returned to the family for interment once neuropathology tests were completed. "As soon as we are done with the brain, we will return it," Winter said. "There is a whole series of tests that will be done." It is not uncommon for the coroner to hold on to a brain or samples from it. Winter said families sometimes delay burying a loved one until after the brain has been returned, but he had received no word from the Jackson family about their intentions. "The last I heard, they are not burying the body yet," Winter said. Police and coroner's officials continue to probe what killed the 50-year-old singer on June 25. On the certificate, Jackson's occupation is listed as a musician. He is described as a high school graduate and divorced. The information provided for the document was given by Jackson's sister, La Toya, one of several family members who rushed to the hospital where Jackson was pronounced dead. The document doesn't state where Jackson will be buried. Just awful and sad. I know they have to come to a conclusion regading his cause of death but the idea of his brain being held somewhere and tested is just really hard to come to terms with. yeah that's probably best not to think about   12/05/2011 
P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!!  | |
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EmeraldSkies said: Not sure if this has been posted already.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news...n/24940?nc LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's death certificate has been released without a listed cause of death and a coroner said investigators are still testing the singer's brain. Public health officials issued the death certificate on Tuesday, the same day public and private memorials were held in Los Angeles. The cause of death is listed as "deferred." Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Jackson's brain, or at least part of it, was still being held by investigators and would be returned to the family for interment once neuropathology tests were completed. "As soon as we are done with the brain, we will return it," Winter said. "There is a whole series of tests that will be done." It is not uncommon for the coroner to hold on to a brain or samples from it. Winter said families sometimes delay burying a loved one until after the brain has been returned, but he had received no word from the Jackson family about their intentions. "The last I heard, they are not burying the body yet," Winter said. Police and coroner's officials continue to probe what killed the 50-year-old singer on June 25. On the certificate, Jackson's occupation is listed as a musician. He is described as a high school graduate and divorced. The information provided for the document was given by Jackson's sister, La Toya, one of several family members who rushed to the hospital where Jackson was pronounced dead. The document doesn't state where Jackson will be buried. 1. people poo-pooed me yesterday when I said his brain was removed and not returned to his body. 2. it's so weird to me that his death certificate simply states his name, lists his occupation as musician, that he's divorced, a high school graduate, etc. death really is the great equalizer. | |
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brooksie said: CalhounSq said: a few thoughts...
#1: I read that the Kardashian sisters were there  WHY in the hell???
#2: Exactly when do we stop calling that kid "Blanket"?? #3: thanks for posting clips. I don't have the patience to sit through the broadcast but I would like to hear some of the performances if they were that good (Lionel, Jermaine, Jennifer, Al)...  MJ apparently knew the Karkashian girls very well and they visited Neverland many times over the years when they were younger. How he knew them, I have no idea, but Kim's said she's known MJ for many years. Of course, this also applies to Nicole Ritchie. Perhaps he knew the Kardashian girls thru her. 
Don't forget Usher. John Mayer may be worth a watch if for nothing than to see him doing his Eric Clapton imitation! 
[Edited 7/8/09 7:32am] I tried to watch various clips but the only one that really stood out to me was Stevie. Everything else was pretty average imo    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Arnotts said: I kind of feel sorry for Joe with the way some people were reacting to him at the memorial. I know people feel he was one of the biggest reasons Michael was so damaged, but its still his son and he obviously loved him. And I know most people will hate what I'm going to say but I actually think Katherine had just as much a negative effect on Michael as Joe did. I think the religion in which she insisted on raising him in helped elevate so many of his emotional problems. The lack of celebration and 'normal' events, the supressing of his sexuality, and the keeping quiet on abuse was what I felt were his main problems.
The memorial was one moment in time. The bigger concern was how he treated his son in LIFE, which he didn't seem to give too much of a fuck about sadly. Some news show just showed that old clip of Joe saying, "I didn't know he got sick [at the sight/presence of me], regurgitated but he regurgitated all the way to the bank." I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of what he said. He didn't seem to care about ANYTHING but the $ Mike could generate. So if he was treated funny @ the memorial, that's his own doing...
. [Edited 7/8/09 11:59am] I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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EmeraldSkies said: Not sure if this has been posted already.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news...n/24940?nc LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's death certificate has been released without a listed cause of death and a coroner said investigators are still testing the singer's brain. Public health officials issued the death certificate on Tuesday, the same day public and private memorials were held in Los Angeles. The cause of death is listed as "deferred." Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said Jackson's brain, or at least part of it, was still being held by investigators and would be returned to the family for interment once neuropathology tests were completed. "As soon as we are done with the brain, we will return it," Winter said. "There is a whole series of tests that will be done." It is not uncommon for the coroner to hold on to a brain or samples from it. Winter said families sometimes delay burying a loved one until after the brain has been returned, but he had received no word from the Jackson family about their intentions. "The last I heard, they are not burying the body yet," Winter said. Police and coroner's officials continue to probe what killed the 50-year-old singer on June 25. On the certificate, Jackson's occupation is listed as a musician. He is described as a high school graduate and divorced. The information provided for the document was given by Jackson's sister, La Toya, one of several family members who rushed to the hospital where Jackson was pronounced dead. The document doesn't state where Jackson will be buried. Never knew that. Trippin' that the brain stuff is true... I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Someone said they thought Prince tweeted for the first time and all I found was this...although who knows if it is really him?
http://twitter.com/Prince_Music You are now following Prince_Music.
My first tweet: Rest In Peace.. Micheal Jackson. The world will miss you greatly. 10:32 PM Jun 25th from web "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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CalhounSq said: brooksie said: MJ apparently knew the Karkashian girls very well and they visited Neverland many times over the years when they were younger. How he knew them, I have no idea, but Kim's said she's known MJ for many years. Of course, this also applies to Nicole Ritchie. Perhaps he knew the Kardashian girls thru her.
Don't forget Usher. John Mayer may be worth a watch if for nothing than to see him doing his Eric Clapton imitation!
[Edited 7/8/09 7:32am] I tried to watch various clips but the only one that really stood out to me was Stevie. Everything else was pretty average imo Stevie was outstanding. This and his popularity caused him the biggest applause. I liked the other contributions though. Usher sang well (although Gone Too Soon not the hardest thing to sing is). Let's thank God Justin Timberlake was not there. | |
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CalhounSq said: Arnotts said: I kind of feel sorry for Joe with the way some people were reacting to him at the memorial. I know people feel he was one of the biggest reasons Michael was so damaged, but its still his son and he obviously loved him. And I know most people will hate what I'm going to say but I actually think Katherine had just as much a negative effect on Michael as Joe did. I think the religion in which she insisted on raising him in helped elevate so many of his emotional problems. The lack of celebration and 'normal' events, the supressing of his sexuality, and the keeping quiet on abuse was what I felt were his main problems.
The memorial was one moment in time. The bigger concern was how he treated his son in LIFE, which he didn't seem to give too much of a fuck about sadly. Some news show just showed that old clip of Joe saying, "I didn't know he got sick [at the sight/presence of me], regurgitated but he regurgitated all the way to the bank." I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of what he said. He didn't seem to care about ANYTHING but the $ Mike could generate. So if he was treated funny @ the memorial, that's his own doing...
. [Edited 7/8/09 11:59am]  And even though his son his dead, he still doesn't seem to care. He's more concerned with getting his record label off the ground. He is a real piece of work.  | |
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noimageatall said: Someone said they thought Prince tweeted for the first time and all I found was this...although who knows if it is really him?
http://twitter.com/Prince_Music You are now following Prince_Music.
My first tweet: Rest In Peace.. Micheal Jackson. The world will miss you greatly. 10:32 PM Jun 25th from web I wouldn't bet on it | |
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graecophilos said: Ottensen said: ad.
Let it go. He's dead. Let the man rest. garbage. Just because he's dead doesn't mean we have to stop being critical. You don't have to stop being critical at all. But this is a funeral and memorial thread. Tabloid shit is out of place here. Take that crap somewhere else where people don't want to focus on general topic, or his music and art. It's not even because this is a thread about a celebrity; it's just basic ettiquette and protocol in the initial aftermath of anybody's death. The fact that this thread clearly states in the title the topic is about the memorial and funeral, it's very distasteful to have to re-hash and re-visit all of his old issues here. That's what you can can go visit X17 and and Smoking Gun for. If I'm not mistaken, this is the time when orgers are being encouraged to share their reflections on this man's Going Home, be they poignant, happy, sad, humourous or dissatisfied. Speculations on his alleged Lupus and Vittaligo ain't got a goody gat damn to do with it  | |
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blumer said: Borrowed from another post but this is important for those (Fox News) that try to brush off Michael's humanitarian efforts:
Forget everything about Michael as an entertainer...as a musician..as a dancer..forget his influence on fashion, pop culture, etc. Forget all of that...and look at this January 10, 1984: Michael visits the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles. April 9, 1984: David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy who suffers from cystic fibroses is invited to Michael's home. It was David's last wish to meet Michael. He dies 7 weeks later. April 14, 1984: Michael equips a 19-bed-unit at Mount Sinai New York Medical Center. This center is part of the T.J. Martell-Foundation for leukemia and cancer research. July 5, 1984: During the Jackson's press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announces that his part of the earnings from the Victory Tour will be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell-Foundation. July 14, 1984: After the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael meets 8 terminally ill children backstage. December 13, 1984:Michael visits the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned very badly during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He donates all the money he receives from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children. January 28, 1985: Michael and 44 other artists meet to record "We Are The World", written by Michael and Lionel Ritchie. The proceeds of this record are donated to the starving people in Africa. 1986: Michael set up the "Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund". This $1.5 million fund is aimed towards students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university. February 28, 1986: After having had a heart-transplant, 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California gets a call from Michael Jackson. He had heard that she is a big fan of his. Michael invites her to his home as soon as she is feeling better. This visit takes place on March 8th. Donna stays for dinner and watches a movie together with Michael. September 13, 1987: Michael supports a campaign against racism. He supports efforts of the NAACP, to fight prejudices against black artists. October 1987: At the end of his Bad Tour, Michael donates some personal items to the UNESCO for a charitable auction. The proceeds will be for the education of children in developing countries. February 1, 1988: The Song "Man In the Mirror" enters the charts. The proceeds from the sales of this record goes to Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times, a camp for children who suffer from cancer. March 1, 1988: At a press conference held by his sponsor Pepsi, Michael presents a $600,000 check to the United Negro College Fund. April 1988: Free tickets are given away for three concerts in Atlanta, Georgia to the Make A Wish Foundation. May 22, 1988: Michael visits children who suffer from cancer in the Bambini-Gesu Children's Hospital in Rome. He signs autographs and gives away sweets and records to the little patients. He promises a check of 100,000 pounds to the hospital. July 16, 1988: Before a concert at Wembley Stadium Michael meets the Prince of Wales and his wife Diana. He hands over a check of 150,000 pounds for the Prince's Trust, and a check of 100,000 pounds for the children's hospital at Great Ormond Street. July 20, 1988: Michael visits terminally ill children at Great Ormond Street Hospital. At a unit for less critical patients he stays a little bit longer and tells a story. August 29, 1988: At his 30th birthday Michael performs a concert in Leeds, England for the English charity-organization "Give For Life". The goal of this organization is the immunization of children. Michael presents a check for 65,000 pounds. December 1988: Michael visits 12-year-old David Rothenburg. His father had 5 years earlier burned him very badly in an act of revenge against his former wife. January 1989: The proceeds of one of Michael's shows in Los Angeles are donated to Childhelp USA, the biggest charity-organization against child-abuse. In appreciation of the contributions of Michael, Childhelp of Southern California is founding the "Michael Jackson International Institute for Research On Child Abuse". January 10, 1989: The Bad Tour comes to an end. Under-privileged children are donated tickets for each concert and Michael donates money to hospitals, orphanages and charity-organizations. February 7, 1989: Michael visits the Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California. Some weeks earlier a 25-year-old man had fired at the school's playground. 5 children had been killed and 39 had been wounded.... There's just too much to list them all.... The Millennium-Issue of the "Guinness Book Of Records" names Michael as the Pop Star who supports the most charity organizations. The following projects are supported by Michael Jackson: AIDS Project L.A. American Cancer Society Angel Food Big Brothers of Greater Los Angeles BMI Foundation Brotherhood Crusade Brothman Burn Center Camp Ronald McDonald Childhelp U.S.A. Children's Institute International Cities and Schools Scholarship Fund Community Youth Sports & Arts Foundation Congressional Black Caucus Dakar Foundation Dreamstreet Kids Dreams Come True Charity Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation Heal The World Foundation Juvenile Diabetes Foundation Love Match Make A Wish Foundation Minority Aids Project Motown Museum NAACP National Rainbow Coalition Rotary Club of Australia Society of Singers Starlight Foundation The Carter Center's Atlanta Project The Sickle Cell Research Foundation Transafrica United Negro College Fund Ladder's of Hope Volunteers of America Watts Summer Festival Wish Granting YMCA - 28th Street/Crenshaw Big Brothers/Big Sisters of America Michael Jackson Has Given More Than $300+ Million to Charities And I hope his own children will have any money left | |
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"No more lying friends, wanting tragic ends / Though they do pretend, they won't go when I go/ All those bleeding hearts, with sorrows to impart/ Were right here from the start, and they won't go when I go ... When I go, where I'll go/ No one can keep me from my destiny." - Stevie Wonder, "They Won't Go When I Go" (Excerpt) | |
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CalhounSq said: Arnotts said: I kind of feel sorry for Joe with the way some people were reacting to him at the memorial. I know people feel he was one of the biggest reasons Michael was so damaged, but its still his son and he obviously loved him. And I know most people will hate what I'm going to say but I actually think Katherine had just as much a negative effect on Michael as Joe did. I think the religion in which she insisted on raising him in helped elevate so many of his emotional problems. The lack of celebration and 'normal' events, the supressing of his sexuality, and the keeping quiet on abuse was what I felt were his main problems.
The memorial was one moment in time. The bigger concern was how he treated his son in LIFE, which he didn't seem to give too much of a fuck about sadly. Some news show just showed that old clip of Joe saying, "I didn't know he got sick [at the sight/presence of me], regurgitated but he regurgitated all the way to the bank." I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of what he said. He didn't seem to care about ANYTHING but the $ Mike could generate. So if he was treated funny @ the memorial, that's his own doing...
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Paris Jackson's Speech Was Not Planned
http://www.people.com/peo...pheadlines By Stephen M. Silverman Originally posted Wednesday July 08, 2009 02:55 PM EDT Paris Jackson (center) surrounded by the Jackson Family 
Photo by: Kevork Djansezian / AP Carefully laid out as it was, Tuesday's public memorial for Michael Jackson was indisputably stolen by the impromptu moment when the late pop star's 11-year-old daughter, Paris Katherine Jackson, took to the stage of Los Angeles's Staples Center and emotionally declared her love for her father. Paris's brief appearance "was not planned," Ken Ehrlich, producer of the tribute, tells CNN. "A lot of the show was not scripted. Music was laid out, but most of the speakers really spoke from their heart – people who knew Michael well – and I think that's what gave the show its heart." Barely able to eek out the words as she trembled in front of the microphone, the tearful child said before being enveloped in the embrace of her aunts and uncles, "Ever since I was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. And I just want to say that I love him so much." Ehrlich also said that going into the tribute the Jackson family's request had been that "we don't want to do a TV show, we want to do a memorial service." The producer added, "We hope you got the feeling you were watching a memorial service." "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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CNN is doing a report and its NOT nice. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. |
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PaisleyPark5083 said: 2elijah said: I'll post the pic for you even though it is big, because it is such a nice pic of Paris consoling Blanket.
[Edited 7/7/09 17:34pm] This picture is down right priceless. Just like his Daddy, look at his socks and shoes, melts my heart | |
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noimageatall said: Someone said they thought Prince tweeted for the first time and all I found was this...although who knows if it is really him?
http://twitter.com/Prince_Music You are now following Prince_Music.
My first tweet: Rest In Peace.. Micheal Jackson. The world will miss you greatly. 10:32 PM Jun 25th from web Whomever owns this Twitter account misspelled Michael's name. | |
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noimageatall said: Paris Jackson's Speech Was Not Planned
http://www.people.com/peo...pheadlines By Stephen M. Silverman Originally posted Wednesday July 08, 2009 02:55 PM EDT Paris Jackson (center) surrounded by the Jackson Family
Photo by: Kevork Djansezian / AP Carefully laid out as it was, Tuesday's public memorial for Michael Jackson was indisputably stolen by the impromptu moment when the late pop star's 11-year-old daughter, Paris Katherine Jackson, took to the stage of Los Angeles's Staples Center and emotionally declared her love for her father. Paris's brief appearance "was not planned," Ken Ehrlich, producer of the tribute, tells CNN. "A lot of the show was not scripted. Music was laid out, but most of the speakers really spoke from their heart – people who knew Michael well – and I think that's what gave the show its heart." Barely able to eek out the words as she trembled in front of the microphone, the tearful child said before being enveloped in the embrace of her aunts and uncles, "Ever since I was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. And I just want to say that I love him so much." Ehrlich also said that going into the tribute the Jackson family's request had been that "we don't want to do a TV show, we want to do a memorial service." The producer added, "We hope you got the feeling you were watching a memorial service." Funny, Ehrlich is German für honest. So Ken might be honest indeed. | |
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lazycrockett said: CNN is doing a report and its NOT nice.
they are not playing fair after the memorial LOVE HARD. | |
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Why are y'all still watching the news? | |
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Did y'all see that Mariah apologized for her performance?? Can't find the link now, but it was on msn.com. "She made me glad to be a man" | |
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jillybean said: Did y'all see that Mariah apologized for her performance?? Can't find the link now, but it was on msn.com.
Yeah, she Twittered about it. She said she was overcome with grief and didnt perform as well as she wanted. | |
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What is CNN bitching about now? "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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scriptgirl said: What is CNN bitching about now?
they got this fool Dr. Klein talkin about he aint the babies daddy. they sound so stupid- i guess he puttin it out there in the street that him and Debbie were screwin.... LOVE HARD. | |
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Mariah was not outstanding, mainly because of her lack of personality. she's plastic. [Edited 7/8/09 13:41pm] | |
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