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Reply #90 posted 07/06/09 12:23pm

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Timmy84 said:

matthewgrant said:

anyone hear MJ's burial is tomorrow at 8 in an unknown location?

I hope this is the case. He's been held above ground for too long now, so if the coroner is finished let him rest in peace pray there's no need for the body to be at the staples center.


I believe so and I'm with you on his body not being at the Staples Center. That's only grounds for a travesty to happen and a three-ring circus at that.


Rumor has it he's being buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery. My grandpa and cousin is buried there also.
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Reply #91 posted 07/06/09 12:25pm

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Timmy84 said:



I believe so and I'm with you on his body not being at the Staples Center. That's only grounds for a travesty to happen and a three-ring circus at that.


Rumor has it he's being buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery. My grandpa and cousin is buried there also.


Yeah I heard that too. If true, then that's GREAT! clapping
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Reply #92 posted 07/06/09 12:27pm

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Yes it does, sorry ..The media have tried to conn people into think MJ did not create a new form of dance, but he did ...The moonwalk did not become the Moonwalk until MJ did it ...that's fact ...

I'm not saying MJ created dance, but he did create the "Moonwalk"

Have you the quote from Gene Kelly ...?

R.I.P MJ sad



I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Not only did he not create the dance, but with understanding more about regional differences in my country,we often have several names for one thing and it's not important who came up with what name. The main idea here is that this movement was something popular back in the days of my 77 year old father and his jazz cohorts, no matter what you choose to recognize it as. People are so caught up in their idolatry of a pop figure that they blatantly disrespect and discount the history of Mochael's and my ancestors. It's a pity because it comes off as insulting. Next I suppose on Madonna's passing people will argue that she invented the Jeté when she made the video for Holiday, but I guess we'll,cross that bridge when we come to it. butterfly

even though Drag Queens had been voguing for years Madonna created the Vogue get it right!!!
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Reply #93 posted 07/06/09 12:27pm

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smile Purple.


[Edited 7/6/09 12:21pm]


love that picture.

what's Tv guide? like the old school tv guides before we had info buttons on our remotes? lol
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Reply #94 posted 07/06/09 12:32pm

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MJ's main early dance influences were Joe Tex, JB, Jackie Wilson, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, Sammy Davis Jr and the like. Later on he was strongly influenced by Soul Train LA style popping and locking w/ a little NYC bboy thrown in. Not only did he have ST dancers teaching him moves, he also put several in his vids over the years. I distinctly recall Poppin' Taco and Casper in at least 1 of the vids and I see a definite Michael Chambers (aka Bugaloo Shrimp) influence. Nothing wrong w/ this at all...it's all apart of the vaudeville tradition MJ came from and stagecraft. You take something that exists and build on it.

you forgot Fosse who's moves he lifted and made his signature moves.
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Reply #95 posted 07/06/09 12:37pm

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lol @ the arguments over the moonwalk. The move was overrated imo anyway, I liked his slow-mo pop locking and shit more

Did he invent the lean move on Smooth Criminal cuz that one was one of my favs even if special shoes were involved.
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Reply #96 posted 07/06/09 12:41pm

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lol @ the arguments over the moonwalk. The move was overrated imo anyway, I liked his slow-mo pop locking and shit more

Did he invent the lean move on Smooth Criminal cuz that one was one of my favs even if special shoes were involved.


No Jeffrey Daniels did that.
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Reply #97 posted 07/06/09 12:42pm

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Did he invent the lean move on Smooth Criminal cuz that one was one of my favs even if special shoes were involved.


He held a patent of the special shoe

http://www.google.com/pat..._0#PPA1,M1
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Reply #98 posted 07/06/09 12:42pm

Timmy84

ehuffnsd said:

brooksie said:

MJ's main early dance influences were Joe Tex, JB, Jackie Wilson, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, Sammy Davis Jr and the like. Later on he was strongly influenced by Soul Train LA style popping and locking w/ a little NYC bboy thrown in. Not only did he have ST dancers teaching him moves, he also put several in his vids over the years. I distinctly recall Poppin' Taco and Casper in at least 1 of the vids and I see a definite Michael Chambers (aka Bugaloo Shrimp) influence. Nothing wrong w/ this at all...it's all apart of the vaudeville tradition MJ came from and stagecraft. You take something that exists and build on it.

you forgot Fosse who's moves he lifted and made his signature moves.


Yeah Fosse is definitely in there somewhere.
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Reply #99 posted 07/06/09 12:50pm

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Siedah Garrett sings 'Man In The Mirror' as a personal tribute...


[Edited 7/6/09 12:51pm]
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Reply #100 posted 07/06/09 12:51pm

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confused You mfs spent a PAGE arguing about the damn moonwalk/backslide/camel walk! lol
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Reply #101 posted 07/06/09 12:54pm

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confused You mfs spent a PAGE arguing about the damn moonwalk/backslide/camel walk! lol

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Reply #102 posted 07/06/09 12:55pm

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lol really now. I can't believe so much debate about the moonwalk.

Anyhow, I thought this was a good article. Albums today and in the future will never sell the way they used to. Technology and the internet has ruined that.

After 'King of Pop,' an empty throne

by Shaun Tandon Shaun Tandon Sun Jul 5, 1:03 am ET


Music insiders wonder whether anyone will ever have
the sheer hold on global pop culture as Jackson, who
sold 750 million albums, virtually defined the music
video and whose death made front pages in all but a
dozen countries.
(AFP/File/Robyn Beck)

LOS ANGELES (AFP) – The tributes to Michael Jackson have been vast, global -- and may never happen for a musician again. In an age of iPods and "American Idol," the concept of a pop superstar has irrevocably changed.

To be sure, there are plenty of living musicians -- Bono, Mick Jagger, Madonna and Paul McCartney come to mind -- whose deaths would be mourned by fans around the world.

But music insiders wonder whether anyone will ever have the sheer hold on global pop culture as Jackson, who sold 750 million albums, virtually defined the music video and whose death made front pages in all but a dozen countries.

"Michael Jackson is not just the King of Pop, but the Last King of Pop," said the Scottish songwriter and author Nick Currie, who performs under the stage name Momus.

Momus pointed to the rise of digital culture, which has fragmented music consumers into small, targeted audiences.

"Then there's the question of the sheer rarity of Jackson's combination of talents, his neurotic work drive and his eccentricity. Lightning like that takes a long time to strike twice," Momus told AFP.

Scott Plagenhoef, editor-in-chief of Pitchfork, the influential Chicago-based online music magazine, said the music industry was already floundering before Michael Jackson but was propped up by his seminal 1982 "Thriller" album and the advent of compact discs and music videos.

"But now with things like cable and satellite television, DVDs and video-games, there are just so many entertainment options," Plagenhoef said. "Music doesn't seem to have that central hold on youth and pop culture."

Websites such as Pitchfork now link fans with musicians, who can achieve fame -- at least for a niche -- without as much of the hand-shaking and self-promotion bemoaned by generations of embittered songwriters.

The hugely popular television series "American Idol" -- along with the British original "Pop Idol" and dozens of international spinoffs -- has taken the democratization of music to a new level, letting the public vote on a star.

"There is way less mystery and mystique with pop stars than there was in Michael Jackson's time," Plagenhoef said.

But Jerry Del Colliano, a professor of the music industry at the University of Southern California, said the world will always produce stars -- it just may be trickier to find a way to define them.

While no one will match Jackson's 750 million album sales figure, such a yardstick is irrelevant when fans can download music for free, he said.

"If the Michael Jackson of 'Thriller' came back from the dead, he would not be able to sell CDs because that's over," Del Colliano said.

"Records are dead, CDs are dead and legal downloads are dying," he said. "But let's push that aside -- would there be another Michael Jackson? Absolutely."

Del Colliano predicted that a future superstar would emerge from the world of social networking websites such as Facebook and MySpace.

"It reminds me of the Olympics. We always say we can't do any better," Del Colliano said. "But there will always be an icon who has musical talent above all the rest of them, even if we change how it's delivered."

Momus, however, believes that social networking may have the opposite effect.

He said the world may be headed back to what celebrated sociologist Pierre Bourdieu found in 1960s France -- white-collar workers preferred high-brow classical music, while manual laborers listened to cheap pop.

"A few decades later, postmodern consumer culture had leveled that, at least superficially: now, people with college degrees spoke about Michael Jackson 'intelligently,' people from lower class backgrounds spoke about him 'passionately.' But everybody spoke about him," Momus said.

But social networking is now limiting interaction among groups with different tastes, Momus said.

"I think we'll see different classes embracing different cultures again. Things will settle back into the kind of cultural landscape Bourdieu described," he said.

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Reply #103 posted 07/06/09 12:56pm

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Cinnamon234 said:

lol really now. I can't believe so much debate about the moonwalk.


It's healthy. biggrin
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Reply #104 posted 07/06/09 1:04pm

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GirlBrother said:

Siedah Garrett sings 'Man In The Mirror' as a personal tribute...



Thanks for posting.
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Reply #105 posted 07/06/09 1:04pm

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GirlBrother said:

Siedah Garrett sings 'Man In The Mirror' as a personal tribute...


[Edited 7/6/09 12:51pm]


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Reply #106 posted 07/06/09 1:13pm

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i still can't believe michael is gone.
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Reply #107 posted 07/06/09 1:14pm

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People scheduled to participate in the memorial tomorrow (Per Tmz):

Ron Boyd (family friend), Kobe Bryant, Mariah Carey, Andrae Crouch Choir, Berry Gordy, Jennifer Hudson, Shaheen Jafargholi (finalist on Britain's Got Talent), Magic Johnson, Martin Luther King III, Bernice A. King, John Mayer, Lionel Richie, Smokey Robinson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Brooke Shields, Pastor Lucious Smith (family friend), Usher and Stevie Wonder.
"And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ heart

"Baby, that was much too fast"...Goodnight dear sweet Prince. I'll love you always heart
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Reply #108 posted 07/06/09 1:19pm

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LOL at the thread, The moonwalk is one MJ move, He took it from others, sculptured it, enhanced it, and knew How to use it( that was the key), and made it his own.

Mj knew how to use the Moonwalk and knew how to attach it to the music (billie jean) during his performances, Mj has always been genuis in interpreting his songs in to dance,regardless of its source, MJ made it famous as his signture Move ,Deal with it.

I have heard different stories about the creators of the move,I don't believe any of it cause everyone say its theirs ,and I don't want to know, for me its MJ.

Let just say it was created by amazing black dancers.
MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
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Reply #109 posted 07/06/09 1:21pm

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Cinnamon234 said:

People scheduled to participate in the memorial tomorrow (Per Tmz):

Ron Boyd (family friend), Kobe Bryant, Mariah Carey, Andrae Crouch Choir, Berry Gordy, Jennifer Hudson, Shaheen Jafargholi (finalist on Britain's Got Talent), Magic Johnson, Martin Luther King III, Bernice A. King, John Mayer, Lionel Richie, Smokey Robinson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Brooke Shields, Pastor Lucious Smith (family friend), Usher and Stevie Wonder.


rev al, but no jesse? stage not big enough, i guess... wink
(assuming tmz is correct)
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Reply #110 posted 07/06/09 1:21pm

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People scheduled to participate in the memorial tomorrow (Per Tmz):

Ron Boyd (family friend), Kobe Bryant, Mariah Carey, Andrae Crouch Choir, Berry Gordy, Jennifer Hudson, Shaheen Jafargholi (finalist on Britain's Got Talent), Magic Johnson, Martin Luther King III, Bernice A. King, John Mayer, Lionel Richie, Smokey Robinson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Brooke Shields, Pastor Lucious Smith (family friend), Usher and Stevie Wonder.


I am surprised about Brooke Shields.
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Reply #111 posted 07/06/09 1:21pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

LOL at the thread, The moonwalk is one MJ move, He took it from others, sculptured it, enhanced it, and knew How to use it( that was the key), and made it his own.

Mj knew how to use the Moonwalk and knew how to attach it to the music (billie jean) during his performances, Mj has always been genuis in interpreting his songs in to dance,regardless of its source, MJ made it famous as his signture Move ,Deal with it.

I have heard different stories about the creators of the move,I don't believe any of it cause everyone say its theirs ,and I don't want to know, for me its MJ.

Let just say it was created by amazing black dancers.


I call it a smart performing move. wink
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Reply #112 posted 07/06/09 1:22pm

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Cinnamon234 said:

People scheduled to participate in the memorial tomorrow (Per Tmz):

Shaheen Jafargholi (finalist on Britain's Got Talent).


He's amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...VU4IkzMNIo

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Reply #113 posted 07/06/09 1:28pm

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Cinnamon234 said:

People scheduled to participate in the memorial tomorrow (Per Tmz):

Ron Boyd (family friend), Kobe Bryant, Mariah Carey, Andrae Crouch Choir, Berry Gordy, Jennifer Hudson, Shaheen Jafargholi (finalist on Britain's Got Talent), Magic Johnson, Martin Luther King III, Bernice A. King, John Mayer, Lionel Richie, Smokey Robinson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Brooke Shields, Pastor Lucious Smith (family friend), Usher and Stevie Wonder.


I am surprised about Brooke Shields.



Why?
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Reply #114 posted 07/06/09 1:28pm

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edit. already asked above ^
[Edited 7/6/09 13:30pm]
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Reply #115 posted 07/06/09 1:36pm

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Timmy84 said:

blumer said:

lol @ the arguments over the moonwalk. The move was overrated imo anyway, I liked his slow-mo pop locking and shit more

Did he invent the lean move on Smooth Criminal cuz that one was one of my favs even if special shoes were involved.


No Jeffrey Daniels did that.

lol
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Reply #116 posted 07/06/09 1:40pm

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come together right now... over me rose


faint... lol
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Reply #117 posted 07/06/09 1:46pm

Timmy84

He never got this great again, this was his defining moment post-Thriller (Ghosts was cool too but you know...):



Love the camaraderie between Sean Lennon and Brandon Boyd after Michael did his little circular move.

"OK, Sean, hold this..." lol
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Reply #118 posted 07/06/09 1:50pm

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matthewgrant said:

moussemaker said:

smile Purple.


[Edited 7/6/09 12:21pm]


love that picture.

what's Tv guide? like the old school tv guides before we had info buttons on our remotes? lol


What big brown eyes he had!

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Reply #119 posted 07/06/09 1:53pm

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Oh lord, a Bourdieu reference on a Michael Jackson piece.

WELL SOMEONE'S ATTENDED COLLEGE.
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