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Reply #120 posted 07/05/09 1:08am

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I've noticed that Tito and Janet seem to cling to their daddy more than the others. hmmm


Nothing wrong with that! lol
In quite a few interviews she has talked about her relationship with her father and she said they're closer then ever! I remember she showed up with her dad at the premiere of Nutty Professor 2 The Klumps. Everyone was like: eek
I've also heard that MJ and Joe reconciled after the trials
Idk how true that is though....


That could very well be the case, who knows? But I do know one thing:

Joe Jackson is one weird man. Man I just don't get this family! eek lol
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Reply #121 posted 07/05/09 1:09am

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Ya know, when I read the sticky I'm amazed that folks forget how complex families really are, esp family you DIDN'T choose. lol I do hope they can get thru this OK and shield the younger kids from the worst of it cuz it seems to get worse everyday. It's hard watching this from the outside, so I can't imagine what they feel on the inside.

At the end of the day, the Jacksons are a family, not just a singing group.


I guess the will, in a way, doesn't say that Michael loved his family any less (even Jermaine said Michael didn't leave Joe out because Katherine and Joe are supposed to be "connected", whatever that is), but who knows?


I'd be surprised if it didn't turn out that there was a more recent will than 2002. Lots had changed between then and 09 for MJ, so I'm expecting things to get more interesting rather than die down.
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Reply #122 posted 07/05/09 1:13am

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I knew how you meant, but the physical resemblence always struck me. I think Jermaine is quite close to Joe these days too. Their parents are getting older and maybe the kids are looking at things differently and let some bygones be bygones. Tito always seemed most like him in many ways.

As for Janet, she was the baby and a girl in a long line....sometimes parents are far easier on the last esp if it's a girl, esp fathers. Allegedly, Joe was/is crazy about his "outside" daughter Joh'Vonnie.


As in? whofarted


Joh'Vonnie? She's a fact. He even put his name on her birth cert. She was born in 1974. Randy Taraborelli put a pic of her in his book...she's 100% Joe Jackson mint issue. Maragret Maladinado confirmed it too.

I've heard Joe has a kid or two much younger by a White woman somewhere. Dunno if that's true, but Joh'Vonnie is.
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Reply #123 posted 07/05/09 1:15am

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As in? whofarted


Joh'Vonnie? She's a fact. He even put his name on her birth cert. She was born in 1974. Randy Taraborelli put a pic of her in his book...she's 100% Joe Jackson mint issue. Maragret Maladinado confirmed it too.

I've heard Joe has a kid or two much younger by a White woman somewhere. Dunno if that's true, but Joh'Vonnie is.


I think midiscover is thinking you're hinting at something going on b/w Joe and Joh'Vonnie. lol
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Reply #124 posted 07/05/09 1:19am

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Joh'Vonnie? She's a fact. He even put his name on her birth cert. She was born in 1974. Randy Taraborelli put a pic of her in his book...she's 100% Joe Jackson mint issue. Maragret Maladinado confirmed it too.

I've heard Joe has a kid or two much younger by a White woman somewhere. Dunno if that's true, but Joh'Vonnie is.


I think midiscover is thinking you're hinting at something going on b/w Joe and Joh'Vonnie. lol


eek No, oh goodness, no. I just meant that Joe was supposedly very fond of this daughter and he spent much time w/ her when she was growing up. People who've said they've seen him w/ her say he's not the "Mean Papa Joe" of legend, but a softie w/ her. She and Janet are girls after a long line of boys, so this makes some sense, IMHO.

I've always wondered about La Toya's claims of sexual abuse directed at her and rebbie, but w/ Janet and Joh'Vonnie I never thought this.
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Reply #125 posted 07/05/09 1:35am

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Back to the original question...I'm starting to think it was Alijandra that took both Randy and Jermaine down. lol When Jermaine was w/ Hazel and later Margaret, he was doing fine careerwise, but along comes that Alijandra heffa w/ her drama and there you have it. cool
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Reply #126 posted 07/05/09 1:37am

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So glad Marlon's name was brought up, cause that dude could dance his butt off (next to MJ, of course). I remember him on a few shows back in the day and was like damn! eek ! He didn't have the greatest voice, but he used to jam!! I can't remember the name of that mild hit he had, though...

Jackie was the finest of them all, IMO. Yowza!!! I didn't know he had a solo career and I didn't know Randy did either lol I loved "One More Chance," though. He put his foot in that one.

I loved Jermaine's "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'" and "Dynamite". I think I still have that album. lol
"Be glad for what you had baby, what you've got..."
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Reply #127 posted 07/05/09 1:50am

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So glad Marlon's name was brought up, cause that dude could dance his butt off (next to MJ, of course). I remember him on a few shows back in the day and was like damn! eek ! He didn't have the greatest voice, but he used to jam!! I can't remember the name of that mild hit he had, though...

Jackie was the finest of them all, IMO. Yowza!!! I didn't know he had a solo career and I didn't know Randy did either lol I loved "One More Chance," though. He put his foot in that one.

I loved Jermaine's "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'" and "Dynamite". I think I still have that album. lol


Dare I say, I always thought Marlon was an incredible dancer (see vids cool ), maybe better than MJ. When you watch him, he's so smooth and fluid...incredibly soulful. Papa Joe's beatings paid off big time there! lol Marlon would be the one gettin' it at the club! wink Funny thing, looking at it after all these years in "Body" he was kinda reminding me of El DeBarge in the looks department.

Jackie was so tall and had/has such a pretty face. If he were on top now, he'd be a celeb model for some clothing line like Jonathan Rhys-Meyers. I think he's aged well, in fact most of them have.

That whole 1st Jermaine Arista album was stellar.
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Reply #128 posted 07/05/09 2:13am

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Mid era Jermaine...Arista.



The Iman vid






Jermaine and Whitney on "As The World Turns". I saw it back then cool eek

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Reply #129 posted 07/05/09 2:27am

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Rebbie...early and late career




Jermaine's "Perfect" theme (film sucks lol )


La Toya... eek cool Vid was lame even in 84, but Howard Hewett on back up

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Reply #130 posted 07/05/09 2:43am

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As in? whofarted


Joh'Vonnie? She's a fact. He even put his name on her birth cert. She was born in 1974. Randy Taraborelli put a pic of her in his book...she's 100% Joe Jackson mint issue. Maragret Maladinado confirmed it too.

I've heard Joe has a kid or two much younger by a White woman somewhere. Dunno if that's true, but Joh'Vonnie is.

This is why I don't believe Janet has a secret child. If the media can track down Joe Jackson secret love child, then they should be able to do the same for Janet who is far more high profile.
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Reply #131 posted 07/05/09 2:56am

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Marlon...check the footwork razz




Tito's got Da Bluez y'all cool




Jackie...1989





Timmy, as I hit YT, many posters were totally shocked by how talented the other family members are. That's a good thing and a nice place to start from cuz they got the chops! cool
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Reply #132 posted 07/05/09 3:04am

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Joh'Vonnie? She's a fact. He even put his name on her birth cert. She was born in 1974. Randy Taraborelli put a pic of her in his book...she's 100% Joe Jackson mint issue. Maragret Maladinado confirmed it too.

I've heard Joe has a kid or two much younger by a White woman somewhere. Dunno if that's true, but Joh'Vonnie is.

This is why I don't believe Janet has a secret child. If the media can track down Joe Jackson secret love child, then they should be able to do the same for Janet who is far more high profile.


Joe wasn't exactly discreet about this kid or her mother. He signed the birth cert and that's public record in the US. Besides, that's why Katherine filed for divorce the 1st time. lol not saying I believe or disbelieve the "secret baby" story, but all Janet would have had to done is have the kid outside of the US. France, Switzerland, etc would have been ideal because their privacy laws are so strict. Prince and Paris were said to be born in France or Switzerland, IIRC.

If Janet spent time there when she was supposed to be preggers/delivered, it's actually not unlikely that she did have a secret kid. If she did so, obviously this kid wouldn't have gone to the obvious place (Rebbie or whoever), but either the DeBarges or some further out non famous Jackson relatives. We know far less about celebs than we think we do, even w/ all this net and papo drama! cool

Think about it like this, MJ managed to show up w/ a kid one day in Vegas at a Seigfried and Roy show. We have NO IDEA of his origins at all. Blanket's a complete mystery wrt almost everything. MJ said his mother was Black, but who really knows? If a celeb of his stature could keep this hidden, imagine how much else we don't know about any of 'em?
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Reply #133 posted 07/05/09 5:37am

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When i saw one of Jermaine's recent interviews in Michael's Neverland garden, he told about the family gatherings which they had and
when Michael talked with Jermaine about planning to perform a song which Rebbie once recorded with Michael on her 90's albumrelease :






rose dove rainbo





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Reply #134 posted 07/05/09 5:44am

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Thank you Brooksie and everyone for posting the videos exclaim
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Reply #135 posted 07/05/09 6:11am

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This is why I don't believe Janet has a secret child. If the media can track down Joe Jackson secret love child, then they should be able to do the same for Janet who is far more high profile.


Joe wasn't exactly discreet about this kid or her mother. He signed the birth cert and that's public record in the US. Besides, that's why Katherine filed for divorce the 1st time. lol not saying I believe or disbelieve the "secret baby" story, but all Janet would have had to done is have the kid outside of the US. France, Switzerland, etc would have been ideal because their privacy laws are so strict. Prince and Paris were said to be born in France or Switzerland, IIRC.

If Janet spent time there when she was supposed to be preggers/delivered, it's actually not unlikely that she did have a secret kid. If she did so, obviously this kid wouldn't have gone to the obvious place (Rebbie or whoever), but either the DeBarges or some further out non famous Jackson relatives. We know far less about celebs than we think we do, even w/ all this net and papo drama! cool

Think about it like this, MJ managed to show up w/ a kid one day in Vegas at a Seigfried and Roy show. We have NO IDEA of his origins at all. Blanket's a complete mystery wrt almost everything. MJ said his mother was Black, but who really knows? If a celeb of his stature could keep this hidden, imagine how much else we don't know about any of 'em?
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But Blanket mother is suppose to be a surrogate. A surrogate mother can be kept hidden, but a child-your own child that is different, unless she gave that child up for adoption as soon as it was born and has no contact with that child at all. But according to sources this alleged child is still within the Jackson family. By now someone would have taken a pic of her child and given it to the media by now.
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Reply #136 posted 07/05/09 6:25am

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But Blanket mother is suppose to be a surrogate. A surrogate mother can be kept hidden, but a child-your own child that is different, unless she gave that child up for adoption as soon as it was born and has no contact with that child at all. But according to sources this alleged child is still within the Jackson family. By now someone would have taken a pic of her child and given it to the media by now.


Yes, Blanket's supposed to be a surrogate, but that doesn't have to be true. If Janet had a kid, I'm not so sure someone would have sold pics to the tabs, no matter how it ended up with. Janet can surely pay more than tabs to keep mouths shut! lol The kid could have been adopted into the family and nobody being the wiser given the size of their family and the commonness of the name Jackson. Not everybody's family or friends does that. cool Not everybody's Debbie Rowe and whoever is now leaking all these photos of the kiddies. sad Besides, let's assume it's true. Whoever that "kid" would be, they'd be about 25 or so, where's the story after all this time?

I'm not saying it's true or anything, but it's perfectly plausible and possible that we may never know for certain.
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Reply #137 posted 07/05/09 9:34am

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This topic has gotten real weird all of a sudden. nuts eyepop lol
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Reply #138 posted 07/05/09 9:55am

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^^^ This is a Jacksons topic, so how else can it be but w/ weirdness added? lol Did you expect differently? cool You said yourself that Joe and co were weird, so... razz

I'm glad Tito's gone for blues these days and will keep my eyes peeled. I'd like to see him live. He's gone back to where Joe started, the blues. Tito took one for the team and it paid off.

As for the rest of them, we'll just have to see what happens. This whole story will get far more interesting before it's over. I just hope some good music comes from it.
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I remember watching this video on BET alot when I was 8 or 9 years old.
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Reply #141 posted 07/05/09 10:38am

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^^^ This is a Jacksons topic, so how else can it be but w/ weirdness added? lol Did you expect differently? cool You said yourself that Joe and co were weird, so... razz

I'm glad Tito's gone for blues these days and will keep my eyes peeled. I'd like to see him live. He's gone back to where Joe started, the blues. Tito took one for the team and it paid off.

As for the rest of them, we'll just have to see what happens. This whole story will get far more interesting before it's over. I just hope some good music comes from it.
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Well no I'm not surprised. razz
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Reply #142 posted 07/05/09 10:44am

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Jermaine is lazy.Even though he hasn't had a hit song in many years,he could still get out there and tour.He could play small theatres and venues,focusing on his solo hits.Artists such as Howard Hewitt,Jeffrey Osborne and Charlie Wilson tour regularly een though their "heyday" ended decades ago.
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Reply #143 posted 07/05/09 10:49am

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Jermaine is lazy.Even though he hasn't had a hit song in many years,he could still get out there and tour.He could play small theatres and venues,focusing on his solo hits.Artists such as Howard Hewitt,Jeffrey Osborne and Charlie Wilson tour regularly een though their "heyday" ended decades ago.

I agree. I would love to see Jermaine live.
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Reply #144 posted 07/05/09 12:15pm

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Jermaine is lazy.Even though he hasn't had a hit song in many years,he could still get out there and tour.He could play small theatres and venues,focusing on his solo hits.Artists such as Howard Hewitt,Jeffrey Osborne and Charlie Wilson tour regularly een though their "heyday" ended decades ago.


In 100% agreement with you because he's as much a star as MJ and Janet was/is. His excuses as to why he had refused to do bewilders me!
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Reply #145 posted 07/05/09 1:55pm

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Easier said than done, The Marleys built a frigging empire after Bob passed away. Bob's 15 children (or however the hell many he had that became musicians) were able to actually build on their father's legacy. John Lennon's children and Marvin's daughter tried to build on their family's legacy too. It'll depend if the Jacksons do indeed have it like the Marleys (or their political counterparts, the Kennedys since they're often being compared to them).


The thing is, the Jackson brothers don't need to build on someone else's legacy, they have their own. Frankly, much of their problem has been stubbornness. They sat around waiting on Michael to do another family fest and didn't make serious moves to do their own things. Well now they know that ain't no reunion gonna happen, so now it's time to do something w/ their talents. I hope they realize this and get opportunities.

Sean Lennon has actually done quite well for himself in terms of an indie career. I don't think he really wants big fame. This is also true for Dhani Harrison and it was for Julian L. Zac Starkey has had an amazing career...he's a far better drummer than ol Ringo ever was. lol

I never said it would be easy, but it can be done. Much of this is about the Jackson family dynamics as opposed to lack of opportunities, I suspect. The sitch has changed now.


Keep in mind that sometimes Michael was also just as stubborn (and selfish?!?) as his brothers when it came down to any ideas of a reunion album & tour.

But if the brothers could do it all over again between the 1995-2005 time flame, they should've done a reunion album WITHOUT Michael and then go on tour promoting the album as the opening act for Janet.
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Reply #146 posted 07/05/09 2:20pm

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The thing is, the Jackson brothers don't need to build on someone else's legacy, they have their own. Frankly, much of their problem has been stubbornness. They sat around waiting on Michael to do another family fest and didn't make serious moves to do their own things. Well now they know that ain't no reunion gonna happen, so now it's time to do something w/ their talents. I hope they realize this and get opportunities.

Sean Lennon has actually done quite well for himself in terms of an indie career. I don't think he really wants big fame. This is also true for Dhani Harrison and it was for Julian L. Zac Starkey has had an amazing career...he's a far better drummer than ol Ringo ever was. lol

I never said it would be easy, but it can be done. Much of this is about the Jackson family dynamics as opposed to lack of opportunities, I suspect. The sitch has changed now.


Keep in mind that sometimes Michael was also just as stubborn (and selfish?!?) as his brothers when it came down to any ideas of a reunion album & tour.

But if the brothers could do it all over again between the 1995-2005 time flame, they should've done a reunion album WITHOUT Michael and then go on tour promoting the album as the opening act for Janet.


And the fact they didn't really disappoints me. The Temptations went on without Eddie Kendricks, Paul Williams, David Ruffin, Dennis Edwards and Melvin Franklin, the Four Tops are still carrying on with just Duke Fakir as one of the legendary members, the Supremes (Mary Wilson & Diana Ross) have carried on with successful solo careers, Frankie Valli still sings without the original Four Seasons, Gladys Horton is still performing though the Marvelettes have broken up, Martha Reeves has carried on with her sisters, the original Vandellas have carried on as well.

Why couldn't the Jacksons? What made them different besides the fact that Michael was a global icon and Janet had become and R&B superstar? What difference were they? Jermaine had his own success, all the brothers have or had talent so what held them back? Michael? Joe? The media? What? shrug
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Reply #147 posted 07/05/09 2:39pm

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I never cared about the other brothers but this is a interesting thread lol
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Reply #148 posted 07/05/09 2:41pm

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I never cared about the other brothers but this is a interesting thread lol


Ain't it? lol
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