trueiopian said:

Ah, i see. I actually wasn't aware of Jackie's solowork lol. I dig that posted track. So Tito is actually the only one who didn't release a solo-album, although i once bought an album of the duo Steven & Sterling which Tito produced and wrote for.
I still had plans to post some of their songs here one day and this is a good occasion lol :



1 - http://www.imeem.com/peop...ep-sample/

2 - http://www.imeem.com/peop...tisfy-you/

3 - http://www.imeem.com/peop...ng-fragil/

TonyVanDam said:

Ya know it? And you saw what happened after Aretha's success in the '80s, she eventually returned to recording classic R&B ("A Rose Is Still a Rose" onwards).

brooksie said:

Yeah I credit Tito with the start of the Jackson musical dynasty.

Timmy84 said:

It seems that folks at Motown didn't see Jackie as having any real talent and that his solo album came about thru some strange deal in their contract, but they never really made efforts to promote it or him. They thought if the J5 weren't smokin' hot, the only ones they could get any love for was Michael and Jermaine solo. Makes no sense. Given that you mentioned Eddie Kendricks and later came the DeBarge brothers, it amazes me that they didn't think a falsetto of such superior quality could have had an incredible solo career, muchless been noteworthy to move more forward in J5 mixes. They'd play weird on Jackie in the mixes too...sometimes they buried him.

In addition to Eddie Kendricks being white hot while the J5 were at Motown, Barry Gibb was using his falsetto on big hits pre Saturday Night Fever. Great falsettos are very rare, so I'm glad you guys are vibing on Jackie. He deserves some love!
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We're forgetting one other Jackson

Marlon!


Written and produced by Marlon

brooksie said:

1. The credit AND blame goes to Barry Gordy on this one. As much as he look at the Jackson 5 as a group, he forgot to notice them as a potential self-contained band that needed to spend more time with The Funk Brothers in the studio (something that Stevie Wonder benefited from during his teen years) in order for that creative potential to show sooner within Motown Records then later after the Jacksons left the label.

2. Tito does count as the group's founder. In the early years, Jackie/Tito/Jermaine + a backing band were THE original Jacksons, since Marlon & Michael weren't old enough yet.

Speaking of Marlon, I've always love "Body" on the Victory lp. His voice ain't the best, but he gives it the ole college try. The jam is off the hook tho. I adored the video and the "Torture" one. This was the Jacksons at their most sexy cool.

TonyVanDam said:

That was Motown's whole "singers sing...writers write" nonesense that lost them a ton of money and wasted talent. If Berry had thought of the long term, he'd have developed all their talents cuz as we now know, they were formible and very $$$$$!

How can I forget The Joe Test poor Tito and company better had played well or the booing Apollo crowds would have been nothing compared to what waited at home. Papa Joe didn't play!


Whatever else can be said of Joe, we know he has a good ear.

Berry Gordy really pimped out his artists
I agree with what you'll are saying on Jackie
It's a shame that the rest of the brothers didn't go far

Here's Body and Torture from the Victory lp. Jackie's voice is upfront and center in "Torture" (check Jermaine's too) and he wrote it too. I'd forgotten that this was his cut on the lp like Body was Marlon's.




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brooksie said:

I dig. Good points.

Shango said:

Wow! These are wonderfully produced tracks!
Never realized how talented Tito really was
T4P!

Randy's One More Chance from Victory:



The ultimate original Jacksons' vid...this was pre Thriller folks. Loved this one, Can You Feel It from Triumph:

trueiopian said:

You're welcome !

Yeah, it's a cool project with some more good tracks which haven't been posted online.

A few copies are currently available :

http://cgi.ebay.com/Steve...7C294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.fr/STEVEN....m20.l1116
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brooksie said:

In the video for Body, Marlon was basically playing the role of Michael.

Jackie is a great producer too!



You can tell he produced this gem
with the way he has MJ singing in falsetto the whole time

TonyVanDam said:

It reminded me of the "Making of Michael Jackson's Thriller" vid at the time. I think Micahel Peters was in this one too, but if he wasn't he should have been.

Until today, I had no idea Tito had produced.

Another cool track written by Jackie and Randy. The song has a great vocoder-solo and a somewhat odd ending lol :


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brooksie said:

I love One More Chance!
Janet did a rendition of it but it's hardly as good
I always thought she looked up to Randy vocally
You can tell!

and I love that Randy took lead in Can You Feel It alongside Mike
Great track! Jackie is a fantastic writer (Your Ways, Walk Right Now etc.)

Wow! Wow! Wow!
I never knew Tito produced!
I hope with the sudden loss of MJ
people start recognizing the other Jackson brothers

midiscover said:

I doubt it.

Timmy84 said:

Don't be such a Debbie Downer...they brought DA FUNK!

As for the brothers, I don't think it'll happen in any new way (they may do something w/ their old stuff) but I hope there's now demand for this sort of rnb again. I seriously hope that people start wanting more trad rnb after MJ's death. I don't think many people seriously noticed its absence until it started to get played again. Playing all his old music and that of his brothers is bringing people sounds they haven't heard regularly in many moons. I do hope that there's now a niche for both old and new rnb/funk in the mainstream again.

I do think the brothers need to get involved in more behind-the-scenes work since we've proven beyond a doubt on this thread that they have those talents. The Jacksons could be like the Marleys who built a musical empire after Bob's death. I'm not trying to be funny or morbid, but why shouldn't they w/ all the talent they have?

Jermaine has a great ear for talent as well as other talents, Jackie and Randy write/arrange well, and Tito has production talent. Why not use it now that they are not under MJ's shadow anymore? Let's face it, his shadow was too large for then to shine too, esp. after 82.
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brooksie said:

I know but I just wished they had done it beforehand. It shouldn't take death to realize that. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer at all but come on. It isn't like finding out Frankie Gaye actually had talent too.

Timmy84 said:

I hope!
They need to carry on the family legacy!

midiscover said:

Wasn't Janet doing that (even when MJ was alive)?

I wonder what will be of the rest of them? Will this revive their careers or will they continue to do what they were doing after "2300 Jackson Street" came out?

I understand what y'all saying though... it remains to be really seen tho.
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Timmy and midiscover check my edits above, I elaborated! I'm w/ you Midi fully....it's possible. The Marleys did it, so why not the Jacksons?

Shango said:

The beginning with the claps remind of that Car Wash song from Finding Nemo

brooksie said:

Easier said than done, The Marleys built a frigging empire after Bob passed away. Bob's 15 children (or however the hell many he had that became musicians) were able to actually build on their father's legacy. John Lennon's children and Marvin's daughter tried to build on their family's legacy too. It'll depend if the Jacksons do indeed have it like the Marleys (or their political counterparts, the Kennedys since they're often being compared to them).

Timmy84 said:

Yea, she was but even she needs to comeback in full force
her last 3 albums were..... NEXT ->>>

I just want to see all the brothers come together
I know they have it in them!

Remember when Marlon released a solo album Baby Tonite in the late 80s? He managed a couple of minor R&B hits from it. I always thought he was a better vocalist than Michael.
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