michael dated all different ethinicities of women. He was in love with diana ross for years. Dated Stephanie mills as well as rumoured fling with Tatiana Thumbzten....body language and a kiss doesn't lie

Holy shit! Quincy told the truth! Fuck.

This is gonna be interesting. MJ fans always vilify anyone who says anything real about Mike. But Quincy is gonna be a hard man to vilify considering his undeniable contribution to Mike's career. Still, I don't have any doubt that's what they'll do.

Like fuck it is. I'm going to quote a post my friend made today on this:

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I’m sick of this, MJ didn’t whine; if ppl are gonna ask him the same questions in interviews for 30 years, they’re gonna get the same answers. It’s not like he was holding weekly press conferences to moan about his childhood. The press was banging on about it as much as he was, actually more. Look at any of the tribute mags/articles, I bet they have more analysis of his lost childhood than they do quotes from him about it. Half the mags have a pic of him as a kid on the front, and what effect is that meant to have? Because ppl see it and feel sorry for the kid who went through so much and ended up that way, and want to read about how terrible his life was. They totally milk it more than he ever did. Ppl want to know the gruesome details about exactly how abusive MJ’s childhood was, they love that stuff. MJ didn’t write all those ‘Jacko’s dad beat him’ headlines, if the editors didn’t know the public would eat that stuff up they wouldn’t report it. His friends and commentators are ALWAYS talking about it and the effect it had on him, and the reality of being a child star, more than he ever did. ‘I cannot recreate that part of my life, nor would I change any part of my life’ he said at the 1993 MTV awards. He realised what he’d sacrificed and what he’d received in return, and was grateful, and used his knowledge to make countless children’s experiences better. He did ‘get on with his life, man’, he used his experience in a positive way, for his art (as an indirect influence, he directly mentioned it in 1 song out of how many??), and for children’s charities, and raising awareness, and letting thousands of terminally ill children visit Neverland. What’s wrong with all that? Who the fuck cares if he went on a ferris wheel? He didn’t let his experience impede his work, instead it spurred him on, it’s not like he had a traumatic couple of years as a child star and spent the next 40 sitting at home crying, eating donuts, and feeling sorry for himself. He got on with his life enough to become the biggest star on the planet and Quincy needs to get the fuck over himself. And that book sounds hideous and completely counter-productive, if ppl are trying to cope with childhood traumas they should get some cognitive behavioural therapy and read Phillip Larkin’s poem:

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

i'm not saying that quincy jones is any great enlightened pillar of humanity, and quite honestly i don't think quincy jones is trying to say that about himself, either. i just think it's kind of a failed comparison to say that Quincy Jones is a hypocrite for making comments about michael's skin color just because Q married a white woman. i don't think conflating one's issues with personal appearance is the same thing as what attracts you to someone else's personal appearance. as for why he didn't say all this when michael was alive...who knows? maybe he did make certain comments. maybe he didn't make comments like this to the press because he didn't want michael dealing with the fallout of second-hand criticism. who knows? it's one of those "walk a mile in his shoes" situations, i think. you probably had to be there to understand the whole story. again, i don't think quincy jones is any great philosophical guru, but i do think the interview posted on this thread with him was pretty deep and candid. i appreciated it.

I always felt that the only women he had any romance feeling for

quincy has spoken about people, black people in particular, questioning his racial identity for dating and marrying white women exclusively. talk about walking a mile in someone's shoes? if quincy doesn't like people questioning him about his racial politics, why does he get to question and criticize mj's? so he didn't get his nose done, so what? no chemical peel for him, okay. but quincy knows as well as i do that he has been subjected to the same whithering criticism as he is now directing at mj's corpse, whether you choose to believe the issues should be conflated or not.

IMO, he should have said all of this PUBLICLY and in all the news media forums when Michael was alive to reply to all of it. Coward.

What next, Madison Square Garden and the O2?

Then again, knowing Michael wanting everything to be the biggest, you never know.

I just want him back. No tours, no nothing, just back.

Frankly, I don't want the president commenting publicly on this. When he comes on tv for a press conference it needs to be about what we're dong to combat unemployment, fix our economy, deflect the nonsense of Iran and N.Korea's leaders, build schools & infrastructure, and get our citizens insured. There are more than enough astute members of the arts community, and particularly the black community to eulogize arguably the most important pop culture icon in America since Elvis (and Hagleyassed Madge), but still a pop personality nontheless. Not to be cheeky, but did President Carter release a formal statement when Elvis kicked the bucket??? While I appreciate Michael's contributions to our nation's pop cultural history, in all sincerity I need Barack to focus his attention on other things right now. He did the respectful, dignified thing by sending personal condolences as far as I'm concerned.
Whatever he needed to express about what Micheal meant to him as an artist was best served by doing so privately to Jackson's parents and family. This man's death has already proven to be a dog and pony show for the media as it is.

Well it was just a rehearsal So the game face wasn't on, but he did look rail thin.

Sadly you won't get him back. He's gone. I hope it doesn't extend to that but like you said, you NEVER know with Michael's ass. RIP my brother but got damn!

what's wrong with public viewing?

7million people or so viewed the body of Solider of Christ Pope John Paul II. It's a normal human experience

Public viewings always spooked me. The Pope viewing was the same. You hate to see people after the rigor mortis sets in and they're gone. I know I ain't the only one to feel that way. I mean was Elvis giving a public viewing at anywhere besides Graceland when he died? I don't think so. Hell the Las Vegas Hilton was probably too tiny to carry graves around, the same with Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis, Jr. when they passed. Even as big of an entertainer as Michael is, I still viewings of any iconic entertainers is ridiculous. I knew it was gonna be a circus that's what I find wrong with it.