OMG people MICHAEL was NOT a victim.

i'm a fucking drug addict. i can spot one a mile away.

bboy87 said:

I'm with you guys.

The thing is, even if we assume that he did this to himself as ehuff implies, that doesn't mean that he hasn't been victimized...the two scenarios are not mutually exclusive. I'm not inclined to speculate or condemn the guy...the man is gone, the investigations is ongoing and there's nothing productive to add about the nature of his problems right now.

babynoz said:

i find it suspicious that the AEG people were insured in the case that mj overdosed. they would get money if he overdosed and then that happens(maybe)

Usher was hanging in there with Michael. I didn't know Usher could dance like that!

Yeah Toxicology will well tell the real deal. At the same time I don't understand how LAPD could find stuff in his house, when his family moved all his stuff out already the day after he died????

suga10 said:

From the report I saw the LAPD was on site the whole time the moving vans were there. Detectives would not allow them to remove any evidence.

Could it be that Michael was off the medication in his final years and that his doctors were giving him stuff that he definitely didn't need?

We can speculate all we want and we proclaim all we want, but until a toxicology report comes back...NONE of us can say what was happening in his life and what he was going through. point blank

dreamfactory313 said:

bullshit I don't think any server can handle that many hits.

QUINCY JONES SPEAKS OUT

The hit-making producer behind the King of Pop's rise discusses Jackson's life, death, and love of chemical peels

By Jeff Gordinier

Q: How have you been holding up since Michael Jackson's death?
A: Oh, man. It's surrealistic. I went to Shanghai for the movie festival over there-I took Halle Berry-and then went back to Luxembourg, and in three days I lost Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and Michael. And Michael's thing is still surrealistic to me. I can't process it, man. I don't know how to process it. It's just unbelievable-him leaving before me. I can't believe it.

Q: How did you learn that he had died?
A: Well, everybody in the world called me. I got 500 e-mails. I've never seen anything like it in my life. At first they said they'd taken him to the hospital, then they said he'd had a stroke or a heart attack-it just kept going back and forth and we didn't know what was really happening. And at first I thought he was just kind of freaked out by the coming concerts, because I was in London when they announced the 50 concerts and they sold out in four hours. . . We'd see each other all the time, and I just can't believe he's not here.

Q: Have you been crying?
A: Oh, man, it's more than that. It's way more than that. It hurts my soul, man. It's just a lump down there.

Q: You were there to witness the strange evolution in Michael's appearance. Did you ever step in and saying anything about it?
A: Oh, we talked about it all the time. But he'd come up with, "Man, I promise you I have this disease," and so forth, and "I have a blister on my lungs," and all that kind of b.s. It's hard, because Michael's a Virgo, man-he's very set in his ways. You can't talk him out of it. Chemical peels and all that stuff.


Q: Did you believe him about the disease?
A: I don't believe in any of that bullshit, no. No. Never. I've been around junkies and stuff all my life. I've heard every excuse. It's like smokers-"I only smoke when I drink" and all that stuff. But it's bullshit. You're justifying something that's destructive to your existence. It's crazy. I mean, I came up with Ray Charles, man. You know, nobody gonna pull no wool over my eyes. He did heroin 20 years! Come on. And black coffee and gin for 40 years. But when he called me to come over to see him when he was in the hospital on his way out, man, he had emphysema, hepatitis C, cirrhosis of the liver, and five malignant tumors. Please, man! I've been around this all my life. So it's hard for somebody to pull the wool over my eyes. But when somebody's hell-bent on it, you can't stop 'em.

Q: But it must've been so disturbing to see Michael's face turn into what it turned into.
A: It's ridiculous, man! Chemical peels and all of it. And I don't understand it. But he obviously didn't want to be black.

Q: Is that what it was?
A: Well, what do you think? You see his kids?

Q: Did you ever discuss it? Did you ever ask, "Michael, don't you want to be a black man?"
A: No, no, no, please. That's not the way you do it.

Q: But he was beautiful before?
A: Man, he was the most gorgeous guy.

Q: But he seemed to have some deep-seated issue with how he looked?
A: Well, that comes about a certain way. I'm not sure how it happens. I'm just a musician and a record producer. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't understand all that stuff. We all got problems. But there's a great book out called Too Soon Old, Too Late Smart. Did you see that? That book says the statute of limitations has expired on all childhood traumas. Get your stuff together and get on with your life, man. Stop whinin' about what's wrong, because everybody's had a rough time, in one way or another.

Q: I've heard you say that you wanted Michael to sing "She's Out of My Life," the great pop ballad from Off the Wall, in part because you felt like he had to deal with reality.
A: I just wanted to hear him deal with a romantic relationship with a human being rather than a rat. I'm saying that facetiously, but it's true. I saw him at the Oscars very emotional about "Ben." I wanted to hear him get in touch with a real human relationship. "She's Out of My Life" was written by Tommy Bahler from a very bad ending to a marriage. So it was very real. I was saving it for Sinatra. But I gave it to Michael. And Michael cried during every take, and I left the tears in.

Q: It's interesting you mention this, because I was just watching a clip on YouTube where you're sitting on a couch with Michael and he's petting a snake the whole time.
A: Oh, I remember that. Yeah, that was Muscles.

Q: Muscles?
A: Muscles. That's a big boa constrictor he had. Muscles used to wrap around my leg in a record session and crawl across the console. I was never comfortable with that. It was a choice between that and Bubbles-you know, the chimp.

Q: Did you ever meet Bubbles?
A: Are you kidding me? He bit a hole in my daughter's hand! Rashida's hand. Rashida Jones-did you see I Love You, Man? That's my daughter. She was a little girl. And Bubbles bit her hand. Michael used to bring Muscles and Bubbles by the house all the time, you know.

Q: What did you think of that? Wasn't that a little weird?
A: I don't know, man. Everybody does his own thing. I've met every freak in the business. Everybody has their idiosyncrasies. I try not to judge it, you know. I know all women are junkies for little dogs and bags and purses. Ha ha ha ha!
Q: At root, what do you think killed Michael Jackson?
A: I don't know, man. I'm a musician. I'm not a psychiatrist. I would think that the pressure of the concerts and the debt and everything else . . . look, I've been in the hands of Nobel doctors for the last five years, in Stockholm, at the Karolinska hospital, which you can't even pay to get in. I've learned so much about the human mind and the body, and the doctors talk all the time about how you become your thoughts. It's true. With one thought it starts, you know, and if you sit there and just stay hung up on one negative thought, you will become that thought. I know that Lisa Marie Presley said that she always thought he was going to die like Elvis. You sit and think about that stuff, it'll happen to you. If you start thinking about darkness instead of light, or fear instead of love, you'll get in trouble. I really believe that.

Q: With so many people asking you about Michael Jackson, is it hard to find the private space in which to mourn his death?
A: Yes, it is. It's surrealistic. I don't know how to process it at all. Because everybody's reacting to it, and making up their own answers.

Q: You've said that you don't attend funerals anymore because you've lost so many friends. Do you plan to attend Michael Jackson's funeral?
A: No, not at all, not at all. Because it's going to be, like, 9 million people there, and it's not what I want to see.

Q: You're not going to be there?
A: No. I can't be there, anyway. I'm going to Wales the day after tomorrow, I go to Montreux, I go to Marbella, I go to the south of France. My condolences and love I've already sent to the family. But being there with 10 million people is not my idea of a tribute to somebody you were so close to-who's got a part of your soul. Our souls were joined, you know. And a piece of it goes with him.

http://men.style.com/deta...ntent_9937

babynoz said:

Well there goes that theory...

its so weird how much prince changed. he went from having no lips at age 5 or so








to having big lips at 12


i don't care what you guys say. i've seen alot of white people in my life. but hardly ever one with lips that big ( of course their are rare exceptions like angelina)

Timmy84 said:

I'm sorry but if it was considered a crime scene the LAPD would NOT let anyone come in or out of that house or remove items. period,

babynoz said:

Michael surrounded himself with ENABLERS. he wasn't victimized he chose that life.
85% of people who go to rehab relapse.
[Edited 7/3/09 22:31pm]

He sounds bitter
Weird how he's speaking up now that he passed
but Q is speaking the truth!

lazycrockett said:

That's true, lol. I didn't think it would've been considered a crime scene anyways.

Timmy84 said:

Initially they didn't let anyone remove anything. When they did, cops were on the scene even though it may not have been a crime scene. When the DEA removed those bags of evidence was it declared a crime scene at the time?

midiscover said:

I have read people calling him senile and other nonsense because they dont like what he is saying,
He knew and worked with him and these are his opinions.
He doesn’t seen like the type to sugar coat or beat around the bush with BS, he said, he is not a psychiatrist, these are just his own observations.

I don’t think any of what he said was disrespectful, or spiteful, just personal observations, MJ was a lot of good and great things, but lets not delude ourselves and pretend he was perfect, even in our time of loss lets not go overboard.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A DRUG ADDICT!! you don't take demoral for depression. that's a pain killer similar to other opiates like Heroin.

Diprovan should never be found outside of a hospital you just can't find that in a pharmacy.


Those of you on this thread still painting MJ as a victim need to wake up and realize this was a man with SERIOUS psychological problems who instead of dealing with them turned to drugs.

I REPEAT MICHAEL JACKSON WAS NOT A VICITM. At point does a 50 year old man take responsibility for the his well being.


Michael was not taking these drugs for medical reasons but because he was a drug addict and it sounds like a junkie.

its so weird how much prince changed. he went from having no lips at age 5 or so








to having big lips at 12


i don't care what you guys say. i've seen alot of white people in my life. but hardly ever one with lips that big ( of course their are rare exceptions like angelina)

cdcgold said:

You have to be kidding me? This boys lips are nowhere near the size of angelinas. I'm white and my lips are way bigger then that and were way bigger then that at that age. Where could you possibly live where you havent seen a white peoples lips like that?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5681500/Michael-Jacksons-childhood-sweetheart-Jocelyne-Danchick-tells-of-crush-on-timid-star.html

Danchick, now a successful choreographer living in France, met the 11-year-old Jackson at Gardner Street Elementary School in Hollywood in 1970 after his family moved to California following the success of the Jackson 5.

She said that they were drawn to each other as both felt isolated and soon developed what she called the “biggest crush on each other”.

“Of course, at 11 we didn’t smooch all the time, but there was lots of flirting,” she told the Daily Mirror.

“He was timid but the sweetest, funniest kid. And though we never declared our love – you don’t at that age – we both had feelings.”

Danchick, who is now married, said that her own mother had been a fashion designer with famous friends including Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.

“I never fitted in and it was the same for Michael when he moved from Gary, Indiana, to LA after he and his brothers signed for Motown,” she said.

“The other kids ignored him because of his fame and quietness and me because I was a shy flower child.

“So while we weren’t in the same class, we still felt a connection and just hit it off.

“You know what first love is like. We both had twinkles in our eyes.”

Jackson, 50, collapsed and died from a heart attack at his home in Los Angeles on Thursday.

cdcgold said:

smart business move when you are dealing with a drug addict.

let's give an example.

When Britney was looking to start the Circus Starring Britney Spears no company would insure the show unless Brit's dad stayed in control of her daily affairs.

why? because of the risk of canceled shows should Britney relapse.

AEG would have been stupid knowing MJ's history and not insuring against that.
[Edited 7/3/09 22:35pm]

bboy87 said:

What is it with this family where people who were close to them eventually sell them out? Why don't you see this with other celebs? Even during MJ's trial, The Jackson's lawyer Debra Opri was saying the most damaging things about MJ on Fox.

Madonna pays tribute to MJ (taken from official site, last night's dress rehearsal):