It is a bit upsetting seeing people saying the things they have since Michael Jackson has died, Those famous and not famous. To hear about Quincy Jones saying MJ had chemical peels, Lisa Marie saying what she said...why didn't they say something while he was alive?
If the stories about Debbie Rowe are true and she's now saying she wants the kids, then she is a grade A cunt. I can only imagine how people who loved him or were fans of his must feel. | |
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ehuffnsd said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: honestly, something does not feel right about this. I do believe that michael was taking mulitple medicines such as demoral for depresssion, pain medication for the multiple plastic surgies on his nose/back and for his lupus. They have found diprivan in his home and we have to wait to see the toxicology reports but i just feel that something is not right...like this wasn't an accidental death or suicide. You cannot adminster diprovan without using an iv/in a hospital, you can be charged with manslaugter with adminstering this drug improperly. MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A DRUG ADDICT!! you don't take demoral for depression. that's a pain killer similar to other opiates like Heroin. Diprovan should never be found outside of a hospital you just can't find that in a pharmacy. Those of you on this thread still painting MJ as a victim need to wake up and realize this was a man with SERIOUS psychological problems who instead of dealing with them turned to drugs. I REPEAT MICHAEL JACKSON WAS NOT A VICITM. At point does a 50 year old man take responsibility for the his well being. Michael was not taking these drugs for medical reasons but because he was a drug addict and it sounds like a junkie. I agree Michael was not a victim, he was a prescription drug abuse junkie. These Doctors and friends are not lying about anything. Michael Jackson Admits Drug Use in Testimony http://www.foxnews.com/st...,00.html#1 I am pretty sure he burned a lot of bridges with the people that did not agree with him abusing drugs. Some fans are lashing out at everybody except Michael's actions, he had some part in it to. Nobody forced those drugs into his body without his consent. Anytime you start begging doctor's for drugs, that SCREAMS "I AM A JUNKIE ADDICT"!!!! Damn catch a clue he wrote "MORPHINE", he's talking about himself! If you STILL don't get it then, eventually it will sink in. He's already been in rehab once that he's admitted. Further testimony about his drug use came in his child molestation trial. Sources have told this column about numerous instances when Jackson was too "out of it" to perform. As I reported here, his ankle "snake bite" in 2003 was in fact a cover-up for an injection he received. [Edited 7/3/09 20:13pm] The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines. | |
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Vendetta1 said: It is a bit upsetting seeing people saying the things they have since Michael Jackson has died, Those famous and not famous. To hear about Quincy Jones saying MJ had chemical peels, Lisa Marie saying what she said...why didn't they say something while he was alive?
If the stories about Debbie Rowe are true and she's now saying she wants the kids, then she is a grade A cunt. I can only imagine how people who loved him or were fans of his must feel. i do not even think we have heard most of the odd stuff.....but we will | |
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Vendetta1 said: It is a bit upsetting seeing people saying the things they have since Michael Jackson has died, Those famous and not famous. To hear about Quincy Jones saying MJ had chemical peels, Lisa Marie saying what she said...why didn't they say something while he was alive?
If the stories about Debbie Rowe are true and she's now saying she wants the kids, then she is a grade A cunt. I can only imagine how people who loved him or were fans of his must feel. I doubt if anyone in that family or debbie gives a ratass bout those children, eveyone is thinking of the bottom line and how much they are going to be worth. period. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. | |
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It's starting to hit me again. I was doing okay for the past two days but I just heard MJ's song "Smile" and it set me off again. It really is so terrible and I am tired of people in my life telling me to get over it or saying that I didn't know MJ. What the **** do they know? Nothing. They know nothing about MJ or what he meant for some people. I am so broken up. Man, i don't think I will ever get over MJ dying. I miss him so much it's not funny. I can't believe I will never speculate about new music or see a pic of him alive. I can't believe i'm talking about him the past tense. Everyday I say to myself "Michael Jackson...Dead"? No it can't be. It's like some weird dream. No one ever excited me as much as Michael did and I will never love another artist the way I loved him all these years. Entertainment is not as exciting for me now, there's nothing much in music I look forward to know, except Prince! But MJ was my ultimate.
The only bright side I can see is that there might be tons of unreleased music and video's to come out over the next few years. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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lazycrockett said: Vendetta1 said: It is a bit upsetting seeing people saying the things they have since Michael Jackson has died, Those famous and not famous. To hear about Quincy Jones saying MJ had chemical peels, Lisa Marie saying what she said...why didn't they say something while he was alive?
If the stories about Debbie Rowe are true and she's now saying she wants the kids, then she is a grade A cunt. I can only imagine how people who loved him or were fans of his must feel. I doubt if anyone in that family or debbie gives a ratass bout those children, eveyone is thinking of the bottom line and how much they are going to be worth. period. | |
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Cinnamon234 said: It's starting to hit me again. I was doing okay for the past two days but I just heard MJ's song "Smile" and it set me off again. It really is so terrible and I am tired of people in my life telling me to get over it or saying that I didn't know MJ. What the **** do they know? Nothing. They know nothing about MJ or what he meant for some people. I am so broken up. Man, i don't think I will ever get over MJ dying. I miss him so much it's not funny. I can't believe I will never speculate about new music or see a pic of him alive. I can't believe i'm talking about him the past tense. Everyday I say to myself "Michael Jackson...Dead"? No it can't be. It's like some weird dream. No one ever excited me as much as Michael did and I will never love another artist the way I loved him all these years. Entertainment is not as exciting for me now, there's nothing much in music I look forward to know, except Prince! But MJ was my ultimate.
Fuck people, you know? Don't let anyone tell you how to feel, when to feel it or how deeply. The world is a meesed up place because we don't care enough about each other. Allow yourself these feelings and when it is time, your grieving will stop.The only bright side I can see is that there might be tons of unreleased music and video's to come out over the next few years. | |
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Vendetta1 said: lazycrockett said: I doubt if anyone in that family or debbie gives a ratass bout those children, eveyone is thinking of the bottom line and how much they are going to be worth. period. She may but remember this is the woman who allowed her husband to beat her children. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. | |
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lazycrockett said: Vendetta1 said: I disagree. I genuinely feel his mother cares for those children. Otherwise, I agree with you. Michael left tons of people out of his will for a reason.
She may but remember this is the woman who allowed her husband to beat her children. | |
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Vendetta1 said: lazycrockett said: She may but remember this is the woman who allowed her husband to beat her children. Good point, maybe Katherine was feeling guilty about that, all these years and now she has a chance to make it up, with Michaels children. ! The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines. | |
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Could it be that Michael was off the medication in his final years and that his doctors were giving him stuff that he definitely didn't need?
We can speculate all we want and we proclaim all we want, but until a toxicology report comes back...NONE of us can say what was happening in his life and what he was going through. point blank "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Could it be that Michael was off the medication in his final years and that his doctors were giving him stuff that he definitely didn't need?
Very true. The man had the world against him. For every fan, there were people calling him names, and basically shredding his life apart. what really gets me is the black people around me now claiming him, including radio station DJs like Tom Joyner who dissed the guy at every turn, now kissing his ass.We can speculate all we want and we proclaim all we want, but until a toxicology report comes back...NONE of us can say what was happening in his life and what he was going through. point blank | |
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Vendetta1 said: bboy87 said: Could it be that Michael was off the medication in his final years and that his doctors were giving him stuff that he definitely didn't need?
Very true. The man had the world against him. For every fan, there were people calling him names, and basically shredding his life apart. what really gets me is the black people around me now claiming him, including radio station DJs like Tom Joyner who dissed the guy at every turn, now kissing his ass.We can speculate all we want and we proclaim all we want, but until a toxicology report comes back...NONE of us can say what was happening in his life and what he was going through. point blank exactly. I understand what ehuffnsd is saying but at the same time, we're looking from the outside so all it is speculation we also don't know what kind of pain he was in these past couple of years, emotional or physical. Not only that, some of ya'll are posting a clip of him admitting he was on painkillers back in 1993 when he about to go to rehab. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Vendetta1 said: Very true. The man had the world against him. For every fan, there were people calling him names, and basically shredding his life apart. what really gets me is the black people around me now claiming him, including radio station DJs like Tom Joyner who dissed the guy at every turn, now kissing his ass.
exactly. I understand what ehuffnsd is saying but at the same time, we're looking from the outside so all it is speculation we also don't know what kind of pain he was in these past couple of years, emotional or physical. Not only that, some of ya'll are posting a clip of him admitting he was on painkillers back in 1993 when he about to go to rehab. | |
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bboy87 said: Could it be that Michael was off the medication in his final years and that his doctors were giving him stuff that he definitely didn't need?
We can speculate all we want and we proclaim all we want, but until a toxicology report comes back...NONE of us can say what was happening in his life and what he was going through. point blank You know what you could be right. But I am being very slfish right now and if I was to believe Michael was an extremely happy and fulfilled man who was really looking forward to this comeback it would keep me in a deep depression that I just can't handle. The way I felt in the past week is scary and I guess it eases the pain knowing he really couldnt handle being here anymore | |
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Vendetta1 said: bboy87 said: exactly. I understand what ehuffnsd is saying but at the same time, we're looking from the outside so all it is speculation we also don't know what kind of pain he was in these past couple of years, emotional or physical. Not only that, some of ya'll are posting a clip of him admitting he was on painkillers back in 1993 when he about to go to rehab. what matters know that we've lost a great person who meant alot to millions of people around the world "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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I have a feeling that the LAPD is being very laidback about this whole investigation.
They just let Dr. Conrad Murray and AEG go off easily. Why is this not a criminal investigation? [Edited 7/3/09 20:46pm] | |
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Usher was hanging in there with Michael. I didn't know Usher could dance like that!
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suga10 said: I have a feeling that the LAPD is being very laidback about this whole investigation.
They just let Dr. Conrad Murray and AEG go off easily. Why is this not a criminal investigation? [Edited 7/3/09 20:46pm] Well the LAPD fucked up by calling it a day and let the jackson family come in the next day and move shit. god knows what was in there before the cops came back and started looking for drugs and needles. Murray and AEG aren't going to be charged with anything because of that. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. | |
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Jackson's Former Doc -- Reprimanded Over Rx
Posted Jul 3rd 2009 7:49PM by TMZ Staff A doctor who has treated Michael Jackson, went on tour with Jackson and even videotaped Jackson's wedding to Debbie Rowe, was reprimanded by the Medical Board of California for writing fraudulent prescriptions for Michael's sister, Janet. Dr. Allan Metzger received a public letter of reprimand from the Medical Board in September, 2000. The letter states, "You engaged in fraudulent medical practice based on prescriptions written for an international entertainer, using a false/fictitious name." Dr. Metzger told us the entertainer is Janet Jackson. Dr. Metzger is a lupus specialist -- Michael Jackson reportedly had the disease. Dr. Metzger traveled with Jackson during the HIStory Tour in 1996. Dr. Metzger told us in the late 90s, he wrote prescriptions for Janet Jackson using the name of her private chef, Ricardo Macchi. Dr. Metzger told us the prescriptions were for diuretics. He also wrote a prescription for a hepatitis B injection -- he says he wrote it because Janet was going on tour and wanted to guard against the disease. Again, the name on the prescription was Ricardo Macchi, even though it was for Janet. Dr. Metzger told us, "I had done this for Janet for her anonymity." Macchi sued Dr. Metzger but the Dr. says the suit was dropped and no money was paid out. As for Michael, Dr. Metzger says, "I have not treated Michael Jackson for many years." Metzger says he has talked to Jackson on the phone over the years, even giving him medical advice. As for whether Dr. Metzger prescribed meds for Jackson, he wouldn't say: "I am not at liberty to discuss Michael's medical care." We asked if he ever prescribed meds to Michael using an alias. His response: "I have not treated him for ages." Metzger said he last spoke with Michael in April. The doctor says he talked to Jackson about the tour, his children, nutrition and hydration. Dr. Metzger added, "I have nothing to do with this tragedy with Michael. I have not prescribed any medication in relation to what happened to him." | |
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lazycrockett said: suga10 said: I have a feeling that the LAPD is being very laidback about this whole investigation.
They just let Dr. Conrad Murray and AEG go off easily. Why is this not a criminal investigation? [Edited 7/3/09 20:46pm] Well the LAPD fucked up by calling it a day and let the jackson family come in the next day and move shit. god knows what was in there before the cops came back and started looking for drugs and needles. Murray and AEG aren't going to be charged with anything because of that. And not they supposedly found Diprovin when the family moved out all his stuff on Friday ???? | |
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Jackson's Former Doc -- Reprimanded Over Rx
Posted Jul 3rd 2009 7:49PM by TMZ Staff A doctor who has treated Michael Jackson, went on tour with Jackson and even videotaped Jackson's wedding to Debbie Rowe, was reprimanded by the Medical Board of California for writing fraudulent prescriptions for Michael's sister, Janet. Dr. Allan Metzger received a public letter of reprimand from the Medical Board in September, 2000. The letter states, "You engaged in fraudulent medical practice based on prescriptions written for an international entertainer, using a false/fictitious name." Dr. Metzger told us the entertainer is Janet Jackson. Dr. Metzger is a lupus specialist -- Michael Jackson reportedly had the disease. Dr. Metzger traveled with Jackson during the HIStory Tour in 1996. Dr. Metzger told us in the late 90s, he wrote prescriptions for Janet Jackson using the name of her private chef, Ricardo Macchi. Dr. Metzger told us the prescriptions were for diuretics. He also wrote a prescription for a hepatitis B injection -- he says he wrote it because Janet was going on tour and wanted to guard against the disease. Again, the name on the prescription was Ricardo Macchi, even though it was for Janet. Dr. Metzger told us, "I had done this for Janet for her anonymity." Macchi sued Dr. Metzger but the Dr. says the suit was dropped and no money was paid out. As for Michael, Dr. Metzger says, "I have not treated Michael Jackson for many years." Metzger says he has talked to Jackson on the phone over the years, even giving him medical advice. As for whether Dr. Metzger prescribed meds for Jackson, he wouldn't say: "I am not at liberty to discuss Michael's medical care." We asked if he ever prescribed meds to Michael using an alias. His response: "I have not treated him for ages." Metzger said he last spoke with Michael in April. The doctor says he talked to Jackson about the tour, his children, nutrition and hydration. Dr. Metzger added, "I have nothing to do with this tragedy with Michael. I have not prescribed any medication in relation to what happened to him." Dr. Metzger told us in the late 90s, he wrote prescriptions for Janet Jackson using the name of her private chef, Ricardo Macchi. Yeah that was a medication for herpes, and the chef was pissed off at Janet using his name to get that medication. The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines. | |
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midnightmover said: lowkey said: i have a question, why do you only seem to take pleasure in the negative stuff when it comes to the jacksons? i mean everybody knows michael had serious issues but he just died, at least wait till his body gets cold. quincy knew him personally and while he say he loved him im sure he didnt like alot of the things he did just like most of us normal fans. this is a rip thread dedicated to mj i just feel like if you dont really feel he deserve to rip you shouldnt come in and show your hate. The only Jacksons I've ever commented on are Janet and Michael. Your question implies they are linked in my mind. They are not. I group Janet more with people like Britney Spears and Jennifer Lopez. They are non-entities elevated way above their station by circumstances. MJ is totally separate. Unlike them, he was THE REAL THING! One of the greatest entertainers of the 20th century. A fantastic singer, who made some great recordings. And he had the uniqueness which to me is a hallmark of all true greats (although uniqueness by itself does not make you great). However, we all know about the other side (self hatred, child molestation, and artistic decline). The problem is he has an army of fans who see red whenever you try to point out the other side. ok you have the right to your opinions, but you do realize that those army of fans are really hurting right now and seeing as this thread was started by a fan for other fans to share memories and things like that, dont you think its pretty insensitive of you start talking about all the negative stuff that everybody already has heard over and over for the last how many years of his life?i just think as a grown man its kinda childish for you to say things for the sole purpose of pissin people off at a time like this,mj is gone and people are gonna remember him whatever way they want, everybody i know is remembering him for what he did best. | |
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its so weird how much prince changed. he went from having no lips at age 5 or so to having big lips at 12 i don't care what you guys say. i've seen alot of white people in my life. but hardly ever one with lips that big ( of course their are rare exceptions like angelina) | |
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Countthedays said: Brian Oxman is an attention whore who doesn't even work for the family anymore "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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OMG people MICHAEL was NOT a victim.
i'm a fucking drug addict. i can spot one a mile away. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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bboy87 said: Countthedays said: Brian Oxman is an attention whore who doesn't even work for the family anymore What is it with this family where people who were close to them eventually sell them out? Why don't you see this with other celebs? Even during MJ's trial, The Jackson's lawyer Debra Opri was saying the most damaging things about MJ on Fox. | |
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bboy87 said: Vendetta1 said: Very true. The man had the world against him. For every fan, there were people calling him names, and basically shredding his life apart. what really gets me is the black people around me now claiming him, including radio station DJs like Tom Joyner who dissed the guy at every turn, now kissing his ass.
exactly. I understand what ehuffnsd is saying but at the same time, we're looking from the outside so all it is speculation we also don't know what kind of pain he was in these past couple of years, emotional or physical. Not only that, some of ya'll are posting a clip of him admitting he was on painkillers back in 1993 when he about to go to rehab. I'm with you guys. The thing is, even if we assume that he did this to himself as ehuff implies, that doesn't mean that he hasn't been victimized...the two scenarios are not mutually exclusive. I'm not inclined to speculate or condemn the guy...the man is gone, the investigations is ongoing and there's nothing productive to add about the nature of his problems right now. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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babynoz said: bboy87 said: exactly. I understand what ehuffnsd is saying but at the same time, we're looking from the outside so all it is speculation we also don't know what kind of pain he was in these past couple of years, emotional or physical. Not only that, some of ya'll are posting a clip of him admitting he was on painkillers back in 1993 when he about to go to rehab. I'm with you guys. The thing is, even if we assume that he did this to himself as ehuff implies, that doesn't mean that he hasn't been victimized...the two scenarios are not mutually exclusive. I'm not inclined to speculate or condemn the guy...the man is gone, the investigations is ongoing and there's nothing productive to add about the nature of his problems right now. Michael surrounded himself with ENABLERS. he wasn't victimized he chose that life. 85% of people who go to rehab relapse. [Edited 7/3/09 22:31pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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