kalelvisj said:

Haha, that IS true. I'm gonna just see the posts about his legacy... even that's still being questioned by some.

seeingvoices12 said:

I've been thinking about his vault stuff, even the half finished songs, i suppose lots of producers would fall over themselves to get the chance to finish or remix til the end of time.

While we're at it, a CGI Michael for the videos, Spielberg, Lucas, Cameron, all worked with MJ. Sound crazy? U never know where Mike is concerned.

I'm not getting NONE of that shit. The DVD, the CDs, nothing. They ruined my memory of Michael Jackson.

kalelvisj said:

Timmy84 said:

I think that is what is keeping so many of us reading the posts, for the moment to start when people really start dealing and expressing their understanding and curiousity and love for the legacy. But more and more it is people complaining about what they see in the "evil" media, but they can only see it because they will not stop watching. It reminds me of when the Albert Goldman book about Elvis came out. Every fan in the world about it, knowing damn will it was for the most part fabricated shit, and then complained about Goldman writing it. It is a very strange relationship that fans have with the stars the "love"...(title drop of strange relationship completely on purpose and completely fitting.)

I speak from experience, Michael's legacy WILL speak for itself. But it will take time, and there will never be a time when suddenly everyone understands the legacy from the same point of view. That is why we have our own memories. Someone will always having something negative to say. But who gives a fuck? It doesn't for a second take one bit of magic away from Michael unleashing the moonwalk on Motown 25. That is my memory, and no one can take it, so I couldn't give damn number one how hard they try.

kalelvisj said:

I gotcha. If anything I think as fans we have to just stop going over there giving them hits. When we do that, like you said, we're only making it worse than it already is.

I'm so sad, I have my opinions about him as a person in regards to sexual abuse but I'm hurt that he died so tragically looking at offf the wall error pictures, thinking about videos like blame it on the boogie and just realizing that he's gone. Its sad as fuck. The rehearsal footage was heart breaking, because I know the concert wouldve been amazing and wouldve reminded people how good he was, now despite everything he will always be remembered as a tragic figure who died senseless and tragically. All I can say to sum it up is its sad. Fuck drugs, prescription or street, fuck them. Is all I can say.

Timmy84 said:

I understand , I have his albums but if they release some of the concerts from the jackson era , bad tour etc I would have interest in buying them.I'm only 21 and became a fan in 2001 , I was upset about his death I can't even imagine the people who remember when michael first came out and grew up with him.

The Songs That Made Michael 'The King of Pop'
July 2009


Culling a playlist from an artist as estimable and earth-shaking as Michael Jackson is a monumental task. There's always going to be the one that got away — the shoulda-been classic that got dwarfed simply because his classics were just too towering to allow any runner-ups. But whether chart-topper or quiet victory, what stands out about the best Michael Jackson songs is how the music mostly cleared the way for his outsized personality. His vocal style was marvelously flexible, often favoring simple attack over cheap pyrotechnics, and he applied it to some of the most indelible melodies ever written. It's those qualities that cement his legend as pop legend bar none.

"I Want You Back"
What better place to start than at the beginning? If anything, this whirling R&B number sounds even better some 40 years on than it did when it was released. Eleven-year-old Michael's voice on this tune is a wonder: aching and expressive like the best of his years-older soul peers, dicing up syllables on the verses and clinging on to long sustains in the chorus. As close to perfect as pop songs can get.

"Rock With You"
And with this song, the template for Justin Timberlake's career was established. What's remarkable about "Rock With You" is how unobtrusive it is: a silky string section and barely-there twitch of guitar — Michael doesn't even hit the word "Rock" all that hard — he just glides over it, preferring to charm with a wink and a smile rather than with aggression or ferocity.

"Billie Jean"
Michael practically sobs out the verses on "Billie Jean," his wrung-dry, pained performance at the center of this stormy pop classic. Jackson and producer Quincy Jones load the song with weird, wonderful touches: that sudden, diving string section, the stray doodles of organ, Michael's sampled gasp turning up between measures like he's coming up for air. It's been said before, but it's worth repeating: "Billie Jean" is a masterpiece, and one that doesn't lose its strange, dark power, no matter how many times you hear it.

"Give In to Me"
Michael Jackson was often at his best when he was indulging a dark streak, and this strange, sinister number about obsessive love from Dangerous is all ice and shadows. Jackson sounds agonized on the chorus, and Slash's eerie descending arpeggios envelop the song like spiderwebs — one of Jackson's more masterfully ominous numbers.

"Thriller"
And speaking of masterfully ominous. "Thriller"'s 13-minute video is so rife with camp charm it's easy to overlook the song's inherent, cheeky darkness. This is, after all, a song that begins with something evil lurking in the dark, makes a brief stop at demon posession before ending with an army of zombies descending on their prey. But Jackson and Quincy Jones surround those lyrics with such spectacular robo-funk — that simple six-note synth riff rolling over and over, unmistakable and unforgettable — that it's easy to miss the skeletons crouching in its shadows.

"Human Nature"
Simple, stark, quiet and beautiful and boasting a windswept synth-string part that Nas would later sample for "It Ain't Hard to Tell," "Human Nature" is one of Jackson's most subtle and affecting ballads. The way his voice tumbles down the notes in the chorus is a master class in vocal delivery, and his pleading repetition of "Why? Why?" is the sound of quiet heartbreak.

"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' "
The refrain sounds like confrontation, but in between the title's repeated jabs come genuine sympathy: "You're stuck in the middle, and the pain is thunder." The song is Motown revisited, its roaming synth-bass a stand-in for James Jamerson, its edges rounded out with roving horn charts and gospel-tinged backing vocals.

"The Way You Make Me Feel"
Four and a half minutes of unadulterated bliss, "The Way You Make Me Feel" cruises slowly on a rubberband bass line elevated by Jackson's ecstatic whoops and yelps. Every piece of this song is in perfect place, the big brass punctuating each of Jackson's heartfelt demonstrations of affection.

"Smooth Criminal"
Tense and agitated, Jackson turns his voice into a machine gun, reducing the verses to a hail of tiny sounds. He pulls off a mean feat in this one, seeming to sympathize with both the aggressor and the aggressee, his hoarse, whispered "Annie, are you OK?" sounding like the set-up in some odd horror film.

"Black or White"
It's the weird facial morphing at the end of the video that everyone remembers, but the lead single from Jackson's Dangerous is a tidy bit of pop, Jackson's soulful vocal framed by a bright, ringing guitar phrase. Jackson had the tendency to skew obvious when being topical, but "Black or White" keenly smuggles social commentary into a love song, using matters of the heart to erase racial barriers.

"In the Closet"
Jackson's minor hits are just as fascinating — if not more so — than his blockbusters. On this 1991 song, he seems to be imagining the whole of post-'00s pop music. The beats are Timbaland-tiny, and Jackson's voice is barely more than a stutter until the chorus, where he stretches out long and lean and limber.

"Scream"
The much-vaunted collaboration between Michael and sister Janet was viewed by some as a disappointment when it was unveiled in 1995 — bolstered by what was, at the time, the most expensive music video ever shot. Now, though, it's a terrific bit of pop paranoia, the Jacksons bitterly lashing out against doubters and naysayers over a fierce electro backdrop — one periodically pierced by Jackson's pained yelps.

"I Can't Help It"
Michael does Stevie: a light, elegant Wonder-ful ballad finds Jackson scaling back his vocal assault, floating just above a lush bed of organ and bass. He takes his time on this one, making its pleasures simple but irresistible.

"Leave Me Alone"
Picking up where "Scream" left off, "Leave Me Alone" finds Jackson taking a toothier tack against his tabloid assailants. The song works because the music sounds like vintage Michael: a batch of thick chords for Jackson to vamp over, a kind of darker inversion of "The Way You Make Me Feel." This time, though, that way was worked-up and angry, and Jackson's aggressive scraping of the high notes makes plain his frustration.

"P.Y.T."
Another of Jackson's elegant R&B numbers, he cruises cleanly up the center of the burbling backdrop; like most early hits, "P.Y.T." finds Jackson at his most controlled, saving his big yearning yelps for the chorus, and making them all the more indelible by their infrequency.

"Beat It"
And why not end with another bona fide classic? This song is so familiar it hardly bears much exposition, but what stands out now is its marvelous simplicity: that simple, toothy guitar attack and one of Jackson's fiercer vocal attacks. This is edgy Michael at his best, and Eddie Van Halen's searing central solo only serves as a mirror of Jackson's own urgency. Again, the song is a sly subversion: What Jackson's advocating isn't attack, it's retreat. "Beat It" is, in the end, a celebration of the spot-on of the confidence that comes from knowing you have nothing you need to prove.


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Timmy84 said:

Who? AEG? if so, with ya.
But any future legacy Motown/Sony releases (CD's or DVD's) i will treat with the utmost respect, and buy without a second thought. You seem to have changed Timmy, to the point where i think your account might have actually been jacked.

Wat the F*** is going on with you?

babybugz said:

IMHO, I feel if I do buy the shit, I'm only hurting Michael than helping him. I never bought 2Pac's records because of it.

Marrk said:

That's exactly how I have been feeling for years now. I have not wanted to see Michael dance anymore since 2003. No more robotic moves. No more kicks. No more whipping his head back as hard as he could. No more spins. But he, and MOST "FANS," could not LET.THAT.GO. I understand that was his passion, but it was clearly hurting his body, so he should have stopped! It was just like him being a former pro-basketball player at 50 trying to re-enter the NBA, knowing darn-well his body is not resilient enough for such hardcore physical activity anymore. Just like most pro-athletes, by 45, that's it! He should have just been "retired" from dance and upgraded to a new, mellow style of performance to highlight his main gift: VOCALS. Or he should have said, "Forget all you people, I'm going to live normally and raise my children now. My real fans will understand." I SO would not have been upset with that. Darn it man.....

I'm reading people saying how sad they feel, not because of this tragedy, but because they can't see him attempt to dance like he's still 30 at the shows. I could just scream.....

Marrk said:

You know what it is? People who didn't understand Michael is now trying to defend him, people who dissed him in the past are now buying his material again, the media... it's sickening. I had said after his death I wouldn't listen to his stuff again in two years.

Just saw the new footage. he even looks ill i don't see how anyone can look at that footage and saw that he looks healthy.

I was mad at TVOne for their misleading hype about their special being a tribute when it is really a rebroadcast of the 30th Anniversary Special but not anymore because Michael Jackson is in the building y'all and everybody is singing directly to HIM and HE IS LOVING IT!!!!! This is so beautiful to see!!!! If you get TVOne in your area...TURN IT ON, RIGHT NOW!!!!!

Timmy84 said:

I get you , it's alot of bandwagon fans buying his music now and didn't give a crap about him when he was alive

Timmy84 said:

Michael is dead damn it!

As long as his chosen dependants benefit from my purchase, i'm good. Should be good enough, nothing AEG related will get my £'s that's for sure.

Rumors continue to circulate that powerful forces in the music industry want Justin Timberlake to take over the "King Of Pop," title after things settle down concerning the demise of Michael Jackson.

Timberlake isn't in the same category as Jackson and never will be. He lacks worldwide adoration, charisma and dance moves.

Timberlake is nothing more than a Michael Jackson impersonator. I've seen Michael Jackson imitators in Las Vegas who have more talent than Timberlake.

Michael Jackson was a trailblazer and originator. He redefined music videos and the music industry with "Thriller." He's often imitated but never duplicated.

Regarding record sales, Timberlake is 100 million behind Michael.

To mention Justin Timberlake in the same breath as Michael Jackson is a travesty.

A more appropriate title for Justin Timberlake: "The King Of Bubble Gum."



Sources/Panachereport.com

InsatiableCream said:

He looked like he was going through the motions.

Timmy84 said:

if there's unreleased stuff coming out that is authorized by his family, or if part or all of the proceeds go to children's charities, then i think it's fine to buy whatever "unreleased footage" - rehearsals, videos, studio demos, whatever - that comes down the pipe.

but the opportunists who are just out to make a buck..you can usually tell because the product is shoddy and it's not packaged very thoughtfully...but that stuff, if the money is going to some glorified bootlegger, screw that. if it's exclusive content, post that shit to the internet and let the fans steal it back for free. if the money's not going to michael's kids or to the charities he supported, i say screw it. maybe that's a little too idealistic, but that's how i look at it.

Marrk said:

Well of course, it's not YOU I'm mad with.

Anxiety said:

Yeah it's good to look at it that way. Maybe I'll act differently next week. You just never know but if they're gonna release that stuff, lemme tell you it BETTER benefit to the family. I just hope you guys don't have to pay too much for it.

InsatiableCream said:

Me either.

Timmy84 said:

that too. call me crazy but he almost looked bored

Liza Minnelli singing "You Are Not Alone" to Michael and the look of love on his face just reduced me to tears!!!

Timmy84 said:

But he did the very same in the Dangerous rehearsal footage, and he sang live on that. Alright, half-heartedly. This new footage has no live vocals at all, Very sad, but he was gone. Skynews in the UK are reporting this like he was singing, it patently wasn't the case.

Randy Philips hand picked lesser known songs on purpose, as he said "I didn't pick Thriller or Beat It" and for obvious reasons.

What a c**t! another one looking out for himself.

InsatiableCream said:

I won't. He definitely looked bored. It was like his mind was like "fuck it". If he was really into it as they said, I think we would've seen him actually ENJOYING it like he did during the "Bad" rehearsals or even going further back. Even the "Dangerous" rehearsals...where you can tell he was actually singing. He probably did sing some but I haven't seen that video yet if it's out there.

so someone let me know when the memerial funeral will be televized.

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