AlexdeParis said:

In all honesty...I think this will depress ppl even more...
it sure made me feel blue

Copycat said:

That was him at the Apollo in '02.

JayJai said:

Listen to other folks' music, just not some sad songs, lol.

JayJai said:

You're supposed to smile! See:

Marrk said:

I know, right? I love that promo. Who else but Mike would do that? Good times, good times...

suga10 said:

What a vile cover!

You should see Nance Grace. She is raising hell tonight. She was talking to this nice looking gray haired gentleman that used to come on her show back during the trial. I think he is a lawyer or close friend of the Jackson family. Anyway, when she heard that Katherine Jackson was getting temporary custody of those children. She immediately jumped all over that man and asked him why would anyone allow those children to go into an environment with a child abuser (meaning Joe). (Nancy had also previously shown video clips of Michael Jackson himself telling Oprah that Joe had beat him) The man didn't answer right around and she yelled at his ass...."You are avoiding my question!" He finally responded by saying the children weren't going to Joe, they were going to Katherine. Then she said "well hell, doesn't he live with her" and the man said "no, he has a house in Vegas and she has a house in Los Angeles". Hopefully Katherine has gotten hip and dropped that asshole.

vainandy said:

I'm watching it right now. She's so over the top!

suga10 said:

[Edited 6/29/09 18:00pm]

Now, she just got through going slap off on a caller that asked what was wrong with the children going to the grandparents. Nancy got that bitchy attitude she's so famous for and started rolling and cutting those eyes and said...."well...uh....Miss (whatever the caller's name was)...I don't know if you know it or not but....Joe...Jackson....." and then she struck at that woman like a rattlesnake.
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Cinnamon234 said:

Where were these pictures of the white carriage taken?

Timmy84 said:

Right. That's why my heart won't allow me to be mad at him [Joseph]. Michael even said in the "Living with Michael" interview that he forgave Joseph for the way he raised/treated them. If Michael can forgive, why can't we? After all, that was Michael's father, not ours.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Well that's what I won't do. I can't help getting mad at Joe and I won't stop. Nothing about his career, but the man ain't grieving. I just talked to my mother about it. I know no one is alone in this. I stopped giving sympathy to Joe when he did that. It's just as a man, I feel if you're a father, yes instill some pride but bring some love too. I'm sure there were points but overall Joe never loved his children. There I said it.

TonyVanDam said:

its kinda scary to be in the fan community at the moment having fans post things about not wanting to continue anymore and then deleting their facebooks and people not being able to get in contact with them its scary shit

people should realise that it might not just be Michael's death that is causing people to want to die but it could just be the last straw. alot of people i know where going through some really tough times and have been living for this summer it gave us all something to look forward to now we have nothing and even worse the guy who gave us hope has been cruelly taken from us all

vainandy said:

It's a well known fact that I quit being a Michael Jackson fan...sometime during the "Bad Era"! However, if I'd have still been a true fan...there is no way in the fuck...Nancy Grace...HLN...or anybody else would be getting away with this bullshit!

Michael Jackson fans outnumber Prince fans by leaps and bounds...and I must say that Y'ALL ARE SLIPPING!!!!

There is NO WAY IN FUCK, Prince fans would let this shit go down like this...in the media!!! That's for real!!!

There is power in numbers and y'all really fucking need to step it up!!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

What's the point of cussing her out too? I think we do worse watching the bullshit. So if you're expecting me to ACTAFOOL, you're talking to the wrong MJ fan.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

but the family has to be smart enough to not mismanage it. Graceland was in a sad state for awhile until Lisa Maria and Priscella brought in business professionals to handle it.

i heard said no, but burying Michael at Neverland and turning it into a museum would be a gold mine if done properly. Maybe get the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or someplace to come in and oversee it being put together.

Well I can say Joe will probably never let this down, but is it fair to pin it on Katherine too, damn:

Jackson family faces criticism since Michael's death

BY ROBERT KAHN | robert.kahn@newsday.com
8:43 PM EDT, June 29, 2009



Joe Jackson walks past a makeshift memorial for his son Michael Jackson outside the Jackson family compound in Encino, California. (Getty Images Photo / June 29, 2009)

It seems there's a "right" way to grieve, and then there's the very public "Jackson" way.

Observers tracking the moves of Michael Jackson's immediate family were rankled after an eyebrow-raising appearance by family patriarch Joe Jackson at Sunday night's BET Awards, where the 79-year-old briefly appeared to be hawking products for a business.

To some, the move "reeked" of hucksterism, the sad words of a salesman suddenly deprived of his moonwalking commodity. To the less cynical, it was merely a natural gesture from a man used to conducting his affairs through the media.

"Joe, on the red carpet, was an embarrassment," said Ian Drew, a senior editor at Us magazine. "It could not have looked more self-serving. It's what you've always heard about the family - they'll sell out anything, whenever they can."

There have, in fact, been a few actions by members of the Jackson family that have seemed suspect to followers, with Joe's award show "pitch" just the most notable.

On Saturday, Michael's mom, Katherine, who Monday was granted temporary guardianship of Michael's three children, was photographed leaving a Target store with a cart full of sleeping bags and toys. A touching display of a grandmother's love? Or, as some wondered Monday, a shrewd PR move by a woman looking to present herself in the best possible light for the courts?

The posts on TMZ.com, underneath a picture of Katherine headed to the parking lot, were not kind: "Without the kids, there is no $$$." "I'm sure that this woman has people to go out shopping for her." And, "It is laughable to think that a woman who sold her children should have anything to do with [Michael's]."

There was also the report this weekend in the Times of London, where one of Jackson's nannies, Grace Rwaramba, described a call from Katherine Jackson, days after her superstar son's death. Rwaramba said Katherine had raced to Michael's Holmby Hills rental home in the hours after the death to retrieve the piles of cash her son was notorious for leaving around. Sister LaToya Jackson had reportedly gone on the treasure hunt around the same time.

Others have speculated about the quick appearance of the two white Atlas Van Lines moving trucks that appeared at the home, the day after Michael's death. They wonder why one of the first things the family did, "while their youngest son's body was still warm," was to send moving vans to his home.

In his CNN interview with reporter Don Lemon, Joe Jackson introduced a man who appeared to be a business partner, then began talking shop: "Marshall and I have - we own a record company. Talking about Blu-ray technology. That's the next step," he said.

The complaints flooded blogs, such as Jezebel, where one poster called the words of the acknowledged disciplinarian "ghastly": "A man seems pursued pretty much to the grave by the demons his father planted in him, and even in death the -- ghoul is still hustling."

Lost in the outrage, though, is the fact Jackson's comments came more than three minutes into his red carpet appearance, long after his initial words about his son's death: "I'm doing pretty good. . . . It has been really tough. Remember, we just lost the biggest star in the world." Alas, to some, even that lament came across strictly as cool detachment.

Michael Jackson, some say, has always represented to his parents a source of income and fame, a fact that contributed to his depression and untimely self-destruction.

"For them to be out shopping, or promoting themselves, is typical of Michael Jackson's family - but it's an outrage, because they should be home feeling guilty for having caused his demise," said Dr. Carole Lieberman, the Beverly Hills psychiatrist who filed the first complaint against Michael Jackson with child protective services after the 2002 "baby dangling" incident.

"How could a mother be out shopping for anything when her son just died? All the people who had a role in his demise are only thinking now about what the golden goose is worth to them dead. I'm not saying his parents didn't love him, but here Joe takes this opportunity to promote a business and say his son was 'the biggest star.' You can tell, all he's thinking about is how to turn Neverland into Graceland."
[Edited 6/29/09 18:12pm]

ViintageJunkiie said:

and that man lived in pain and isolation. do you think it was a fair trade off?

ViintageJunkiie said:

Michael saw the good in everyone, was one of his main problems, he got that good trait from Kate. Too forgiving.

Joe Jackson was/is a repulsive man, proving that to everybody now i feel.

Joe is the reason Michael had problems with his self esteem and always kept getting all these surgeries to change his looks. Michael is like one of those women who have been abused by their husbands but still continue to associate with them.

I was abused by my father myself when I was growing up, both physically and verbally. But thank God I had my grandmother on my mother's side of the family that kept me every weekend, every summer, and every holiday. In other words, if school was out, I was at her house and not at home. She was there to tell me..."Don't listen to that crazy bastard. He's part of a goofy religion, he's a racist, and he's crazy as hell and everybody knows it". I had people to build me up and keep me strong but apparently Michael didn't. I can certainly feel sympathy for the way he turned out but I sure as hell have no sympathy for that asshole abusive father of his.

ehuffnsd said:

The price you pay for fame. My mother said that Michael was dead even before he got here. I would agree. He was living like a dead man for 50 years because of what happened to his life.

Timmy84 said:

Everyone handles death differently. Can't expect Joe to sit around the house crying all day with dark sunglasses on. Joe understands that life goes on and will continue to do what's best for himself as a person. We're only seeing Joe when he's out, we don't know how he's taking it behind closed doors. We also can't say that Joe never loved his children. We [as fans] are only going by what we see on tv and what we read in books about the family. We haven't experienced his relationship with the children without cameras being around 24/7. I think he loved all his children.

Timmy84 said:

Michael had a way out. Michael chose to surround himself with yes men, and not deal with his issues. in the end the only person who causes a drug addict to pick up and use is the drug addict.

when u see the way joe looks.....it reminds me of the creature faces in Thriller and Ghosts

and Jermaine is one ugly mf

so hard to blame MJ for wanting to look different than his brothers

no offense

vainandy said:

Didn't help that Katherine didn't believe in divorce and felt like she was forced to stay in it. Not saying that we all know how Joe was but when you hear about it, makes you think what would've happened if Katherine and Joe had divorced.

Hey, I'm a hardcore Prince fan. I'm just a casual Michael Jackson fan. And even though I love Prince, I don't kiss his ass either. Prince is bitch enough to fight his own battles, he don't need me to fight for him. He's a mean ole bitch. That's what I love about him.

ehuffnsd said:

That's true too.